Graycap23 said:

using that logic, it's also meant to be heard live as well, so you'd better throw out all of your records and CD's.

RZR said:

I'm talking about the VISUAL aspects.

Graycap23 said:

right, but with the audio aspect, you're not actually hearing the music that's made. you're hearing the needle in a groove reproducing the sound or the sound of 1's and 0's floating through the air.


it's just as silly to say that as it to say that the visual aspect of music is meant to be live as well.

music is not a visual medium itself, so sitting there looking at the person making it isn't any more the way it's "meant" to be experienced visually than a video.

i watch Vh1 Soul

MTV today isn't worth the half thought of a retarded animal

Music is ment 2 be watched LIVE not some dumb ass video.
[Edited 5/11/07 9:11am]

MTV stands for Morron Television nowadays. Back in the 80's I used to watch it a lot. That was also a time when clips were like little movies.

for the past 6-7 year mtv has been basically all about reality shows, they play music when people are usually sleeping like from 1am-7am. remember the old days when mtv which stands for music televison actually was about music.someone needs to talk to the executives because this is nonsense, i wish i could write a letter or something but i don't know how to reach them and it's so complicated.yall remember when an artist was coming out with a new cd they'd play all that artist's videos to welcome in their new viedeo.what happened to mj weekends,prince weekends and madonna weekends, and so on. younger kids these days don't know good music because it's never shown,all they know is rap and next,real world, parental controls and all those other stupid but sometimes entertaining shows.all they really have that some people watch is the top 10 countdown(or something like that ).they might as well call mtv rtv(reality tv).i just thought i should share how i feel.

Being a teenager in the 80's and being american, seeing the fall of MTV was an absolute disgrace.

I kept wandering how TRL could do a countdown when it's virtually impossible for those videos to be seen. I'm assuming it's strictly based on commercial/radio airplay and not the videos themselves.

I've been living in Holland for the past 5 years and let me tell you, MTV over here is what MTV in the states should be!! They play VIDEOS!! With the reality show sprinkled in here and there. It's actually a joy (sometimes) to watch it. They show old videos as well.

TMF (the music factory) is another dutch video channel that is also very good at just playing music videos.

I just can't imagine why a VIDEO station would completely STOP showing MUSIC VIDEOS..it's ridiculous.

You also have to blame the current programming directors for MTV and VH-1. They make the decisions on what is aired (and they have no clue what they're doing)... The directors from 5,10 and 20 years ago are long gone. VH-1 needs to change their motto to "Movies and Reality Shows First".

With VH-1 Classics, VH-1 Soul, You Tube, The Tube and BET-J, I rarely watch the other 2 anymore.

mimi07 said:

but you sound like you still watch it tho

eMpTyV

RZR said:

Lol.....I could start a LONG diatribe as 2 way VIDEO's KILLED music but I won't. It's all good, but as far as I'm concerned, music video's have no VALUE, other than recording the history of artist.

Graycap23 said:

so,in your view,Michael Jackson's "Beat It","Billie Jean" and "Thriller" videos have no value whatsoever? As good as that album is,I don't think it would have had the same impact without the amazing videos that came with it.At one time,videos were an essential tool to promote an artist's music.Without videos,even Prince would have never appealed to a larger audience.


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[Edited 5/14/07 5:56am]

SoulAlive said:

Thriller came out in 1982. I'm sure u can find merit in some video's but MUSIC is 4 the SOUL and 4 the ears.....Music brings the SOUL-A-LIVE.

Graycap23 said:

okay, but how does that translate to saying that music is meant to be seen live? because music doesn't have a visual element to it, so why is watching the person do it with a microphone on stage any more valid than watching them act out a storyline to it on TV?

RZR said:

Lol.....I could start a LONG diatribe as 2 way VIDEO's KILLED music but I won't. It's all good, but as far as I'm concerned, music video's have no VALUE, other than recording the history of artist.

Graycap23 said:

For certain music (the kind I like) I'd agree.

But Michael Jackson's (and other singer/dancer artists) stuff is probably better in video form than live. Live performance is kind of a pale imitation of the video.

But like I say, that doesn't apply to the music I like, where the video is more of an afterthought to the main project--the music!

NDRU said:

I grew up watching Prince, Ohio Players, P-Funk, Bootsy, EW&F, James Brown, etc....LIVE. This video shit is WACK.

for the past 6-7 year mtv has been basically all about reality shows, they play music when people are usually sleeping like from 1am-7am. remember the old days when mtv which stands for music televison actually was about music.someone needs to talk to the executives because this is nonsense, i wish i could write a letter or something but i don't know how to reach them and it's so complicated.yall remember when an artist was coming out with a new cd they'd play all that artist's videos to welcome in their new viedeo.what happened to mj weekends,prince weekends and madonna weekends, and so on. younger kids these days don't know good music because it's never shown,all they know is rap and next,real world, parental controls and all those other stupid but sometimes entertaining shows.all they really have that some people watch is the top 10 countdown(or something like that ).they might as well call mtv rtv(reality tv).i just thought i should share how i feel.

Graycap23 said:

Sure those guys are best seen performing their music live, but they all have strong visual elements.

Videos are a nice document of that style.

Something like Lets Go Crazy captured Prince's energy & performance at a magical moment.

Videos don't have to be separate from performance.
[Edited 5/14/07 15:52pm]

NDRU said:

I agree but that is NOT your typical video. Have u watched the so called video's of todays artist? Embarrassing comes 2 mind.