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Reply #30 posted 05/02/07 7:39am

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He's just a flop album away from a shaved head and a rehab stint. Well, maybe... evillol
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Reply #31 posted 05/02/07 7:58am

FunkyBrotha

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego, and you see these artists who are full of ego and they fall". I hope to god that Ushers next CD flops because his attitude is unacceptable period.

He has completely attempted to copy MJ and thats what makes these comments even more ridiculous
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Reply #32 posted 05/02/07 8:03am

jaimestarr79

Usher is nothing more than a "Curious George" look-a-like that sings and dances like Michael Jackson! lol lol

You have to admit he looks like Curious George. If you don't know who Curious George is then you can Google him and see what i'm talking about.
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Reply #33 posted 05/02/07 8:05am

jaimestarr79

Please, somebody do a split screen picture of Usher beside Curious George. lol
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Reply #34 posted 05/02/07 8:06am

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when did wannabee's get the right to diss other wannabee's eek lol
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Reply #35 posted 05/02/07 8:48am

JasonStar

jaimestarr79 said:

Please, somebody do a split screen picture of Usher beside Curious George. lol


"Jaimestar79, you interrupted my important guest appearance at a book convention to say I look like this dumbass r&b twit?" - Curious George



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Reply #36 posted 05/02/07 10:29am

Rhondab

jaimestarr79 said:

Usher is nothing more than a "Curious George" look-a-like that sings and dances like Michael Jackson! lol lol

You have to admit he looks like Curious George. If you don't know who Curious George is then you can Google him and see what i'm talking about.



yeah...but I would date Usher looking like curious george..shrug
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Reply #37 posted 05/02/07 10:30am

Rhondab

FunkyBrotha said:

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego, and you see these artists who are full of ego and they fall". I hope to god that Ushers next CD flops because his attitude is unacceptable period.

He has completely attempted to copy MJ and thats what makes these comments even more ridiculous



oh pleaseeeee.....COMPLETELY? When has Usher worn military gear?

sorry...you're trippin'
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Reply #38 posted 05/02/07 11:03am

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Rhondab said:

FunkyBrotha said:

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego, and you see these artists who are full of ego and they fall". I hope to god that Ushers next CD flops because his attitude is unacceptable period.

He has completely attempted to copy MJ and thats what makes these comments even more ridiculous



oh pleaseeeee.....COMPLETELY? When has Usher worn military gear?

sorry...you're trippin'


Yeah not completely, but if you've ever seen clips from Usher's "The Evolution" tour some of his outfits and his whole opening entrance from the tour actually was EXACTLY like Michael's from his tour for "Dangerous". Usher is influenced A LOT by Bobby Brown as well. He's a mix of both artists, but Usher aint as great as he thinks he is. He needs to come down to come back down to earth.
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Reply #39 posted 05/02/07 11:28am

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Urrrrsher needs to sit his fine ass down
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Reply #40 posted 05/02/07 11:34am

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I know its hard for some of you to get this but there is a generational distance there. Some of you mention Usher and Chris Brown in the same breath when its just not accurate. Chris Brown, Omarion, Bobby Valentino, and even the group Pretty Ricky, etc. are all influenced by Usher. They are not his peers, they are his seedlings. Of course they all stem from MJ but Usher is MORE VISIBLE in what they do than Mike. Usher has acknowledged Bobby and Mike and even Prince and holds them in high regards. The newest generation have to choose whether or not the will do the same for him.
No one OWES anyone an acknowledgement. People really need to learn that. Its a courtesy, not a prerequisite. Prince didn't do it when he was young, so why should they? They all branch off and add their own thing to the game over a period of time, or they fade away and become one or two hit wonders. Whatever the case, its up to the artist. None of the "influences" are in the studio with them when they are recording. Its different for rip-off artists but for thoise "influenced" by someone, its on them to say it aloud if they choose. Usher has to learn that, too.
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Reply #41 posted 05/02/07 11:35am

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Rhondab said:

FunkyBrotha said:

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego, and you see these artists who are full of ego and they fall". I hope to god that Ushers next CD flops because his attitude is unacceptable period.

He has completely attempted to copy MJ and thats what makes these comments even more ridiculous



oh pleaseeeee.....COMPLETELY? When has Usher worn military gear?

sorry...you're trippin'
There's no question that Usher tried to embody so much of him. Perhaps he grew up when everything was Michael. So much so, that he didn't realize he was copying those that were copying and influenced by Michael too. His own ignorance to this is pretty sad.

Life balances all this out though, and it humbles everyone. If I had a dollar, I'd bet that when Usher is Michaels age, there won't be too many that remember him. Even if they do, it will be as one that tried to emulate the ones who actually did break ground.
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Reply #42 posted 05/02/07 11:40am

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BlaqueKnight said:

I know its hard for some of you to get this but there is a generational distance there. Some of you mention Usher and Chris Brown in the same breath when its just not accurate. Chris Brown, Omarion, Bobby Valentino, and even the group Pretty Ricky, etc. are all influenced by Usher. They are not his peers, they are his seedlings. Of course they all stem from MJ but Usher is MORE VISIBLE in what they do than Mike. Usher has acknowledged Bobby and Mike and even Prince and holds them in high regards. The newest generation have to choose whether or not the will do the same for him.
No one OWES anyone an acknowledgement. People really need to learn that. Its a courtesy, not a prerequisite. Prince didn't do it when he was young, so why should they? They all branch off and add their own thing to the game over a period of time, or they fade away and become one or two hit wonders. Whatever the case, its up to the artist. None of the "influences" are in the studio with them when they are recording. Its different for rip-off artists but for thoise "influenced" by someone, its on them to say it aloud if they choose. Usher has to learn that, too.
Even if he did acknowledge them, the stuff he said above almost cancels that out...if he really said it.
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Reply #43 posted 05/02/07 11:47am

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anon said:

Rhondab said:




oh pleaseeeee.....COMPLETELY? When has Usher worn military gear?

sorry...you're trippin'
There's no question that Usher tried to embody so much of him. Perhaps he grew up when everything was Michael. So much so, that he didn't realize he was copying those that were copying and influenced by Michael too. His own ignorance to this is pretty sad.

Life balances all this out though, and it humbles everyone. If I had a dollar, I'd bet that when Usher is Michaels age, there won't be too many that remember him. Even if they do, it will be as one that tried to emulate the ones who actually did break ground.



You can't be serious, can you? Usher, forgotten? That doesn't seem likely. Dude is a superstar. You can say that about Tevin Campbell but not about Usher. I think you are underestimating his popularity. Mike Jackson will ALWAYS reign over Ur-sha but its not likely that he will be forgotten anytime soon, Ne-Yo - probably. Usher - not so much.
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Reply #44 posted 05/02/07 11:49am

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prettymansson said:

when did wannabee's get the right to diss other wannabee's eek lol


lol U took the words right outta my mouth. That fool really has lost his unoriginal mind!!
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Reply #45 posted 05/02/07 11:53am

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Chris Brown and Omarion influenced by Usher?! Don't get me wrong, Im not fighting this. In fact, I agree with it. It just..well..makes me feel old. I still remember when Usher was the new hot artist back when "You Make Me Wanna" came out.

I don't dislike Usher at all. He's a very good singer, and his dance skills are amazing, maybe moreso than Justin Timberlake's(who is probably his musical peer at this point). My only gripe with Usher is that, with his last record, his songs sounded too much like everything that was out on radio. There was nothing distinct. Sure, they weren't bad songs, but I can't exactly call them amazing. I mean, say what you want about JT, but at least his songs standout in comparison to modern day radio. Usher's just kinda blended in.

As for the cockiness, yea he is a tad arrogant, but let's face it: No one is ever truly original in the full sense. Sure, Usher might have taken his cues from MJ and Bobby Brown and even Prince. But many forget that those three were taking many cues from James Brown. Hell, in MJ's and Prince's case, I'll even throw in Little Richard. Come to think of it, James Brown and even the "untouchable" Paul McCartney were taking cues from Little Richard. Ironic how the crazy old guy on the Geico commercials just may be one of the few "original" artists ever(and even this may be questionable).

Basically, what I'm saying is that each artist took there influences and added a bit to it. Just like MJ, Bobby Brown and Prince added there own sound with there cues from James Brown, Usher(and JT of course) did the same with them three. With this generation though, it's just a matter of time till they grow into there own(NE-Yo is the one that I see the most potential in).
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Reply #46 posted 05/02/07 11:57am

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At least Ne-Yo writes for himself and others. I suspect he will evolve into more of a writer and less of a performer. He's kinda weak as a stage performer.
I would like to shoot him for writing that "Irreplaceable" BS for Beyoncé, though.
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Reply #47 posted 05/02/07 12:01pm

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FunkyBrotha said:

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...9840MHbS_A
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Reply #48 posted 05/02/07 12:26pm

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If Usher is daddy..then I wanna be an orphan.

I think most of us come from a different generation and witnessed artists that were true originals and had these larger than life personas. (Prince, MJ, Bowie, Madonna, U2..on back)

That no longer exists in this fickle / A.D.D. generation...and labels refuse to let an aritst grow and experiment.

The thing is..our icons had huge egos but they actually had the goods to back it up. They were innovative and every new project was an event of itself.

Todays 'icons' (using the term VERY loosly) believe their own hype too quickly and want that 'larger than life' persona right from the get-go and not let it come organically and earn it.

Instead of producing, writting and creating and developing their own craft...they jump onto a hot producer for a helping hand and end up sounding like each other. Hence the boredom that is most of todays music.

To this day an awards show sucks unless there's a performance from Prince or U2. Because we know they have somethinng great up their sleeve and it's not 10 guest rappers and a hot sample. Just watch the Grammy's or VMA's and AMA's from years past compared to now. Today's young giants (Justin, Usher, Beyonce,) are missing that special thing that made our giants so unpredictable and untouchable!

wow..have not ranted like this in a long time..

peace
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Reply #49 posted 05/02/07 12:28pm

LightOfArt

lilgish said:

FunkyBrotha said:

Michael Jackson once said in an interview, in '93 "i hate ego,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...9840MHbS_A


falloff exactly

I would say Jackson shows his ego in a more interesting way though
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Reply #50 posted 05/02/07 12:40pm

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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

If Usher is daddy..then I wanna be an orphan.

I think most of us come from a different generation and witnessed artists that were true originals and had these larger than life personas. (Prince, MJ, Bowie, Madonna, U2..on back)

That no longer exists in this fickle / A.D.D. generation...and labels refuse to let an aritst grow and experiment.

The thing is..our icons had huge egos but they actually had the goods to back it up. They were innovative and every new project was an event of itself.

Todays 'icons' (using the term VERY loosly) believe their own hype too quickly and want that 'larger than life' persona right from the get-go and not let it come organically and earn it.

Instead of producing, writting and creating and developing their own craft...they jump onto a hot producer for a helping hand and end up sounding like each other. Hence the boredom that is most of todays music.

To this day an awards show sucks unless there's a performance from Prince or U2. Because we know they have somethinng great up their sleeve and it's not 10 guest rappers and a hot sample. Just watch the Grammy's or VMA's and AMA's from years past compared to now. Today's young giants (Justin, Usher, Beyonce,) are missing that special thing that made our giants so unpredictable and untouchable!

wow..have not ranted like this in a long time..

peace




Thank U 4 saying this. I could not agree more with U! It makes me worry about the Future of Music sad
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Reply #51 posted 05/02/07 12:43pm

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I think Beyonce has it, she is just marketed wrong, overexposed in certain aspects, and she could use better songs.
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Reply #52 posted 05/02/07 12:44pm

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Bishop31 said:

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

If Usher is daddy..then I wanna be an orphan.

I think most of us come from a different generation and witnessed artists that were true originals and had these larger than life personas. (Prince, MJ, Bowie, Madonna, U2..on back)

That no longer exists in this fickle / A.D.D. generation...and labels refuse to let an aritst grow and experiment.

The thing is..our icons had huge egos but they actually had the goods to back it up. They were innovative and every new project was an event of itself.

Todays 'icons' (using the term VERY loosly) believe their own hype too quickly and want that 'larger than life' persona right from the get-go and not let it come organically and earn it.

Instead of producing, writting and creating and developing their own craft...they jump onto a hot producer for a helping hand and end up sounding like each other. Hence the boredom that is most of todays music.

To this day an awards show sucks unless there's a performance from Prince or U2. Because we know they have somethinng great up their sleeve and it's not 10 guest rappers and a hot sample. Just watch the Grammy's or VMA's and AMA's from years past compared to now. Today's young giants (Justin, Usher, Beyonce,) are missing that special thing that made our giants so unpredictable and untouchable!

wow..have not ranted like this in a long time..

peace




Thank U 4 saying this. I could not agree more with U! It makes me worry about the Future of Music sad


Seriously...were headed for even darker days. Our icons are headed towards their 50's and 60's and there does not seem to be anyone promising artist that can take the world by storm. Labels should take notice and bring back ARTIST NURTURING AND DEVELOPMENT. My fingers remained crossed.
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Reply #53 posted 05/02/07 12:45pm

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Usher is trippin. Perhaps he's drumming up some publicity for the new album. He's decent but taking it too far.
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Reply #54 posted 05/02/07 1:09pm

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JasonStar said:

jaimestarr79 said:

Please, somebody do a split screen picture of Usher beside Curious George. lol


"Jaimestar79, you interrupted my important guest appearance at a book convention to say I look like this dumbass r&b twit?" - Curious George






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Reply #55 posted 05/02/07 2:42pm

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No one OWES anyone an acknowledgement. People really need to learn that. Its a courtesy, not a prerequisite. Prince didn't do it when he was young, so why should they? They all branch off and add their own thing to the game over a period of time, or they fade away and become one or two hit wonders. Whatever the case, its up to the artist. None of the "influences" are in the studio with them when they are recording. Its different for rip-off artists but for thoise "influenced" by someone, its on them to say it aloud if they choose. Usher has to learn that, too.


Actually, Blaque, Prince did acknowledge Joni as an influence very early on. But perhaps it was more convenient to acknowledge his debt to a white female folk singer as opposed to the black rock and soul artists who more directly informed his work. That being said, I remember he did acknowledge Santana, Stevie, et al. as influences in the mid-80's, and his gratitude to other influences became more obvious as the years went on.
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Reply #56 posted 05/02/07 2:53pm

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Reply #57 posted 05/02/07 3:06pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

anon said:

There's no question that Usher tried to embody so much of him. Perhaps he grew up when everything was Michael. So much so, that he didn't realize he was copying those that were copying and influenced by Michael too. His own ignorance to this is pretty sad.

Life balances all this out though, and it humbles everyone. If I had a dollar, I'd bet that when Usher is Michaels age, there won't be too many that remember him. Even if they do, it will be as one that tried to emulate the ones who actually did break ground.



You can't be serious, can you? Usher, forgotten? That doesn't seem likely. Dude is a superstar. You can say that about Tevin Campbell but not about Usher. I think you are underestimating his popularity. Mike Jackson will ALWAYS reign over Ur-sha but its not likely that he will be forgotten anytime soon, Ne-Yo - probably. Usher - not so much.
Who were we talking about again?

Usher is talented, he's been around for a while and he's done some good stuff. I even like him alright, but in time, he will blur into all those like him. Maybe that's why he's having such a hard time with them.
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Reply #58 posted 05/02/07 3:29pm

ThePunisher

Usher sounds a little insecure to me. He'll be 30 in a few years, Which makes him an old man by industry standards. Most of these new guys will be has-beens by the time they hit 28. Usher should not worry about them bowing down to kiss his feet.
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Reply #59 posted 05/02/07 3:33pm

Rhondab

BlaqueKnight said:

I know its hard for some of you to get this but there is a generational distance there. Some of you mention Usher and Chris Brown in the same breath when its just not accurate. Chris Brown, Omarion, Bobby Valentino, and even the group Pretty Ricky, etc. are all influenced by Usher. They are not his peers, they are his seedlings. Of course they all stem from MJ but Usher is MORE VISIBLE in what they do than Mike. Usher has acknowledged Bobby and Mike and even Prince and holds them in high regards. The newest generation have to choose whether or not the will do the same for him.
No one OWES anyone an acknowledgement. People really need to learn that. Its a courtesy, not a prerequisite. Prince didn't do it when he was young, so why should they? They all branch off and add their own thing to the game over a period of time, or they fade away and become one or two hit wonders. Whatever the case, its up to the artist. None of the "influences" are in the studio with them when they are recording. Its different for rip-off artists but for thoise "influenced" by someone, its on them to say it aloud if they choose. Usher has to learn that, too.


this is very true nod
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