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Reply #90 posted 04/28/07 1:37pm

GangstaFam

Diva said:

I just bought the album today and I cannot wait to listen to it. I would be listening to it right now, if Ian would let me. I am going to have to wait till he is sleeping then I can sneak out and indulge.

Anyone have any sedatives on them? wink

He sucks.
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Reply #91 posted 04/28/07 1:38pm

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

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I thought so.
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Reply #92 posted 04/28/07 1:38pm

GangstaFam

Cheek said:

Tori should stop releasing 70+ mins albums cuz the filler tracks just kill the whole record and made it less enjoyable. smile

Sorry Tori! lol But the magic is lost...AGAIN! smile

Which ones do you think are keepers vs. filler?
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Reply #93 posted 04/28/07 1:39pm

GangstaFam

Dayspring said:

comfort don't be bitter. one of these days someone else will have heard of somebody you like.

But what will he do then?
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Reply #94 posted 04/28/07 2:07pm

MikeMatronik

I have almost the same opinion of the hamster from amsterdam...

If the album was recut to only 12 tracks it would have been a masterpiece
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Reply #95 posted 04/28/07 2:25pm

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

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I thought so.


You think too much, often.
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Reply #96 posted 04/28/07 5:27pm

Untouchable

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GangstaFam said:

Cheek said:

Tori should stop releasing 70+ mins albums cuz the filler tracks just kill the whole record and made it less enjoyable. smile

Sorry Tori! lol But the magic is lost...AGAIN! smile

Which ones do you think are keepers vs. filler?


I'd like to know what these so-called 'weak' tracks are too, please.
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Reply #97 posted 04/28/07 7:08pm

Moonbeam

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GangstaFam said:

Diva said:

I just bought the album today and I cannot wait to listen to it. I would be listening to it right now, if Ian would let me. I am going to have to wait till he is sleeping then I can sneak out and indulge.

Anyone have any sedatives on them? wink

He sucks.


nana
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Reply #98 posted 04/29/07 12:08am

GangstaFam

MikeMatronik said:

I have almost the same opinion of the hamster from amsterdam...

If the album was recut to only 12 tracks it would have been a masterpiece

I thought you already thought it was a masterpiece based on your thread title a week ago.

And Gooey would probably think it was a masterpiece if it were a 4 track EP. You're a bit more generous.
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Reply #99 posted 04/29/07 12:08am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

You think too much, often.

This is probably true. I feel even more. Sucks to be me.
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Reply #100 posted 04/29/07 12:08am

GangstaFam

Untouchable said:

I'd like to know what these so-called 'weak' tracks are too, please.

I can't seem to find any. lurking
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Reply #101 posted 04/29/07 12:09am

GangstaFam

Moonbeam said:

nana

I honestly hope she was kidding.
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Reply #102 posted 04/29/07 12:32am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

You think too much, often.

This is probably true. I feel even more. Sucks to be me.


LoL why would you say that? Having deep lows means you get amazing highs. I am kinda like that and would not change it for anything. Serious.
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Reply #103 posted 04/29/07 12:38am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

LoL why would you say that? Having deep lows means you get amazing highs. I am kinda like that and would not change it for anything. Serious.

Sometimes I'd just like a break from myself. lol
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Reply #104 posted 04/29/07 12:38am

GangstaFam

This is the one I've been waiting for...

All Music Guide's review:



by Thom Jurek

Nine albums in and Tori Amos is working harder than ever. American Doll Posse, with its great title, 23 tracks, and five archetypal personalities (all of who resonate feminine gods in the Greek and Roman pantheons) is an exercise in both excess and obsession. For starters, each of these personalities has her own blog. All of them have a distinct look, there's Pip with her streetwise standoff-ishness who sings about how her "Teenage Hustling" serves her in her adult life; she is also a very clever and intense "observer" (another important word for this record) of the political and surveillance situation in the U.S.; there's Clyde, a bit of a hippie who observes people and art from a perspective that is suspect of all male interpretations of the world (smart woman) and not the moment of encounter, but who that person is under the mask of it. Isabel is the glamorous photographer. If she exists anywhere but inside Amos, she is the fulfilled fantasy construct of both post-Freudian psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan and the father of Deconstruction theory Jacques Derrida. She watches the watcher watching. The surface reveals whatever is beneath it, and the layer underneath that. And then there's Santa — not Claus necessarily — but she looks closest for some perceived beauty (hers or her observational object's is the question) that is invisible to that person. She strips the moment away and gets right down to the task of discovering it: "Wait. Let's look closer.." Then of course, the voodoo priestess Amos herself appears in the center; she is politically pissed off and motivated ("Yo George," the first track on the set is a personal send-out to the leader of the free world in 2007 — "I'm allergic to your policies") and a proud, aware, socially conscious mother and protector who cannot be fooled. "Big Wheel," the album's most rock & roll track, is an anthem that reveals her to be free of all bondage and a self-proclaimed "...M-I-L-F don't you forget..." This outrageously long song cycle reveals these characters as individual "voices." Amos credits each of the five in her liners and plays piano and Rhodes behind them. Musically, American Doll Posse is no less ambitious, and all the better for it. Though 23 cuts can become a Tower of Babel in song, Amos has written some of the tightest, most cohesive and diverse songs of her career here. There's Amos singing "Big Wheel"; there are the squalling heavy metal guitars in "Teenage Hustling"; the pumping 4/4 bassline throb of Clyde's "Bouncing off Clouds," with its intricate melody and shimmering piano work and layered backing vocals; the seductive blues-rock swagger in Santa's "You Can Bring Your Dog" that transfers itself into a quirky faux-ragtime melody before it breaks itself wide open and splits these two soundworlds in half. It's a number that's so sick with desire it reduces its object to meat. The brief "Devils and Gods," sung by Isabel is a ballad that peels back the veil to reveal an essential truth with harmonically shimmering acoustic guitars and lithe piano. Pip and Santa reply in "Body and Soul" with its enormous sonic attack where all the instruments are turned up to ten and pack a wallop with a fuzzed-up Jon Evans' dirty bassline and staccato piano that promises salvation through ecstasy not sermons or violence. Some of the best songs here are near the end, in Clyde's gorgeous ballad "Roosterspur Bridge," where Amos' piano guides the singer and Mac Aladdin's guitars whisper behind until Matt Chamberlain's spare kit work gives the words an urgency despite the languid pace. "Almost Rosey" (Isabel) is one of the very best mid-tempo autobiographical rock songs Amos has ever written. Its sense of dynamic, slippery rhythms and change-ups keep a constant groove and the listener holding on for every word with the swirling piano and syncopated drum work: "I once tried to comply/with an authority that would/Subsidize my wild side/but at this altar was sacrificed..." Pip's "Velvet Revolution" is a Spanish flavored poetic piano and guitar ballad in a narrative fashion that reflects Cesar Vallejo and the manifestos of Isabel Allende and a young Vaclav Havel. "Dark Side of the Sun," sung by Isabel, is a an anti-war song with its wailing lead guitars and the singer letting the grainy side of her voice underscore the lyrics with conviction. Pip's apocalyptic "Smokey Joe" is an entire cinematic drama with atmospheric walls of electronic noise and washes of guitar that compete with the contrapuntal voices in call and response execution. The final track, "Dragon," sung by Santa, is knotty, complex and lilting in some places and aggressive in others; it feels like it belongs somewhere else, but that's where the beauty lies. It's the place where healing happens in the heart of the eternal feminine. And it rings solidly true.In sum, these dress-up characters are, no matter Amos' ambitions, simply reflections of her often contradictory nature as both a conceptual artist and songwriter. She is playing dress-up and not copping to it. It's not so much that she doesn't pull it off, but these characters and their strange views of the world, femininity, and the ruinous masculine come down to two things: observation and perception, and neither are always what they seem. These have always been part of Amos' expressed aesthetic. Perhaps speaking these through the kaleidoscope of different personas made it easier to assemble such a vast collection of songs for one album, to exorcise the obsession or simply to give life to it through excess. Whatever the reason, American Doll Posse is exhaustive and exhausting, and contains some of the finest material Amos has offered on record. As a songwriter her reach is higher, and when she grasps the gown tail of her Muse, her grasp is tighter, and sure. Her musical vision and production skills are almost astonishing in places. American Doll Posse is a work that has its problems due to its sprawling nature. And yet, it's perhaps because of that sprawl that it makes a real case for the overblown and indulgent in rock & roll again.
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Reply #105 posted 04/29/07 12:50am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

LoL why would you say that? Having deep lows means you get amazing highs. I am kinda like that and would not change it for anything. Serious.

Sometimes I'd just like a break from myself. lol


Maybe you should glam up tonight, wear mascara and go out dancing in a gay bar, all Scissorsister-like.
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Reply #106 posted 04/29/07 12:53am

Untouchable

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HamsterHuey said:

GangstaFam said:


Sometimes I'd just like a break from myself. lol


Maybe you should glam up tonight, wear mascara and go out dancing in a gay bar, all Scissorsister-like.


Yeah, Gangsta! How about The Outpost on 24th St? Sounds like just your kinda place, doin' the macarena with a bunch of fat sluts!
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Reply #107 posted 04/29/07 1:26am

Moonbeam

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GangstaFam said:

Moonbeam said:

nana

I honestly hope she was kidding.


I didn't forbid her from listening to it. lol
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Reply #108 posted 04/29/07 3:27am

Cheek

GangstaFam said:

Which ones do you think are keepers vs. filler?


Big Wheel
Bouncing Off Clouds
Teenage Hustling
Fat Slut
Secret Spell
Devils And Gods
Body And Soul
Father's Son
Roosterspur Bridge
Beauty Of Speed
Posse Bonus
Dragon

The rest are avarage Tori songs and totally uninspiring to me.
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Reply #109 posted 04/29/07 3:33am

Cheek

Untouchable said:

I'd like to know what these so-called 'weak' tracks are too, please.


Then go, listen to your copy... rolleyes
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Reply #110 posted 04/29/07 3:36am

MikeMatronik

Cheek said:

Untouchable said:

I'd like to know what these so-called 'weak' tracks are too, please.


Then go, listen to your copy... rolleyes


Beekeeper lover! pissed
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Reply #111 posted 04/29/07 3:45am

Cheek

MikeMatronik said:

Beekeeper lover! pissed


Me? smile Oh, please...I sold my Beekeeper CD and bought two packs of cigarettes! smile

Beekeeper edit smile
[Edited 4/29/07 3:45am]
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Reply #112 posted 04/29/07 3:49am

MikeMatronik

Cheek said:

MikeMatronik said:

Beekeeper lover! pissed


Me? smile Oh, please...I sold my Beekeeper CD and bought two packs of cigarettes! smile

Beekeeper edit smile
[Edited 4/29/07 3:45am]


neutral U didn't like "marys of the seas"?
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Reply #113 posted 04/29/07 8:54am

PricelessHo

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my ratings so far:

"Yo George" -

"Big Wheel" 5

"Bouncing off Clouds" 5

"Teenage Hustling" 4

"Digital Ghost" 4

"You Can Bring Your Dog" 3.5

"Mr. Bad Man" 3.5

"Fat Slut" -

"Girl Disappearing" 5

"Secret Spell" 4.5

"Devils and Gods" 4.5

"Body and Soul" 5

"Father's Son" 4.5

"Programmable Soda" -

"Code Red" 5

"Roosterspur Bridge" 4

"Beauty of Speed" 5

"Almost Rosey" 3.5

"Velvet Revolution" 5

"Dark Side of the Sun" 4.5

"Posse Bonus" 3.5

"Smokey Joe" 5

"Dragon" 5
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Reply #114 posted 04/30/07 3:05am

IstenSzek

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Cheek said:

MikeMatronik said:

Beekeeper lover! pissed


Me? smile Oh, please...I sold my Beekeeper CD and bought two packs of cigarettes! smile


lol

i love you cheek hug
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #115 posted 04/30/07 8:33am

Cheek

IstenSzek said:

lol

i love you cheek hug


I love you too! batting eyes

hug
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Reply #116 posted 04/30/07 8:52am

MikeMatronik

Cheek said:

IstenSzek said:

lol

i love you cheek hug


I love you too! batting eyes

hug


Adulterous orger! mad
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Reply #117 posted 04/30/07 9:20am

Cheek

MikeMatronik said:

Adulterous orger! mad


smile
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Reply #118 posted 04/30/07 10:54am

MikeMatronik

"You Can Bring Your Dog" makes my vagina moist...like it's a river! biggrin
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Reply #119 posted 04/30/07 11:51am

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I saw the "Big Wheel" video on MTV last night. I didn't think I'd ever see a Tori video on those channels ever again.
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