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Reply #60 posted 04/18/07 2:38am

SoulAlive

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most people here are talking about sales figures....lets just remember none of the 'hot' acts of today are doing numbers even remotely close to what both MJ and Madonna have done! and to think that these two will recapture those figures is unrealistic.


I agree.I certainly don't expect either of them to sell records like they did during their 80s heyday.That's unrealistic.They're both likely to sell around 8-10 million worldwide,maybe 2 million in domestic sales.Madonna's 'Confessions' nearly reached 2 million here in the States,quite a feat considering it was largely Eurodisco.Her new CD should fare better in the States.It will be more in sync with American music tastes.
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Reply #61 posted 04/18/07 2:46am

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First of all, who told you all that Michael's album was coming out at the same time as Madonna's?????


http://en.wikipedia.org/w...2007_album

There have numerous reports that his album will be released in November.And yes,I'm aware that the information on wikipedia isn't always 100% reliable and can change at any time lol But for now,November seems to be the projected release date.

As for Madonna,she's turning her album in to Warner Bros. this summer and they're planning a November release.

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Reply #62 posted 04/18/07 2:47am

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Madonna, Madonna, Madonna

However, I'm totally not into the Timberlake collab. disbelief
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Reply #63 posted 04/18/07 2:49am

SoulAlive

Moonbeam said:

Madonna, Madonna, Madonna

However, I'm totally not into the Timberlake collab. disbelief


I hope it's not a duet lol If he's just doing a few background vocals,I can tolerate that.But a duet? Uh uh!
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Reply #64 posted 04/18/07 2:58am

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FunkyBrotha said:

2 b honest i dont think michael is even interested in making an album... he's just not in the zone anymore.. he doesnt even want to perform. That is the tragedy, never mind private life matters, the worst thing is the fact that he is wasting his god given talent arsing about doing jack shit. But in the end that is his choice and we cant demand music from him.


Amen. And that is what has been killing his career the last 10 years. The fact that he just doesn't care to entertain anymore.

It was obvious his heart wasn't really in Invincible or the promotion he did for that album. To me, the whole thing lacked imagination. From the stale-looking video to albums first single to the tired and almost painful-to-watch concert at MSG, you could just tell he didn't want to really be there.

It's been so long since the trial, if he was really interested in a commercial comeback why wait so long?

First we were hoping and praying for a new release sometime in 2006, then there was the announcement that he'd release an album at the end of 2007 with 2 Seas Records and then that fell through... He hasn't even got a label anymore... I don't think many people seriously believe a record will surface this year.

All these things combined just make me feel as if he just doesn't care anymore.
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Reply #65 posted 04/18/07 3:28am

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SoulAlive said:

purplecam said:

Prince!!!!!



Is he releasing a new album this year?

I don't know but with him, you never know. There's a big announcement from Prince on ET tonight. That's all I know.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #66 posted 04/18/07 3:42am

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SoulAlive said:

Moonbeam said:

Madonna, Madonna, Madonna

However, I'm totally not into the Timberlake collab. disbelief


I hope it's not a duet lol If he's just doing a few background vocals,I can tolerate that.But a duet? Uh uh!


I don't even want background vocals. I wish she would stay as far away from that watery, beige twerp as possible!
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Reply #67 posted 04/18/07 3:46am

SoulAlive

Moonbeam said:

SoulAlive said:



I hope it's not a duet lol If he's just doing a few background vocals,I can tolerate that.But a duet? Uh uh!


I don't even want background vocals. I wish she would stay as far away from that watery, beige twerp as possible!


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Reply #68 posted 04/18/07 3:53am

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SoulAlive said:

Moonbeam said:



I don't even want background vocals. I wish she would stay as far away from that watery, beige twerp as possible!


lol


I mean it! pissed
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Reply #69 posted 04/18/07 3:55am

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I've not been keen on much of Madonna's stuff since Ray Of Light but I always check her albums out to see what she's up to.
Hopefully she'll surprise me this time around.

Loved Mike's last album. I thought it was really honest, getting back to his R&B/soul roots. It's what he should be doing.
Something tells me his next album will be more geared toward a pop audience, tho'.

Who will come out on top between the two?
Who fucking cares.
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Reply #70 posted 04/18/07 3:56am

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MattyJam said:

FunkyBrotha said:

2 b honest i dont think michael is even interested in making an album... he's just not in the zone anymore.. he doesnt even want to perform. That is the tragedy, never mind private life matters, the worst thing is the fact that he is wasting his god given talent arsing about doing jack shit. But in the end that is his choice and we cant demand music from him.


Amen. And that is what has been killing his career the last 10 years. The fact that he just doesn't care to entertain anymore.

It was obvious his heart wasn't really in Invincible or the promotion he did for that album. To me, the whole thing lacked imagination. From the stale-looking video to albums first single to the tired and almost painful-to-watch concert at MSG, you could just tell he didn't want to really be there.

It's been so long since the trial, if he was really interested in a commercial comeback why wait so long?

First we were hoping and praying for a new release sometime in 2006, then there was the announcement that he'd release an album at the end of 2007 with 2 Seas Records and then that fell through... He hasn't even got a label anymore... I don't think many people seriously believe a record will surface this year.

All these things combined just make me feel as if he just doesn't care anymore.



you know what I think Michael should do? Instead of a big,glossy,over-produced album with alot of hype and unrealistic expectations,he should simply do an MTV Unplugged.Get up there with a small band and just SING!! Remind people why they became fans in the first place.Why go through the pressure of trying to make some big "comeback"? He tried that strategy with his last few albums and he fails everytime. Do an MTV Unplugged,sing his heart out and watch his fans go nuts! He could surprise people by playing songs he doesn't normally do ("I Can't Help It","Blues Away",some obscure Jackson Five songs,etc).No hype,no pressure,no grand entrance,no fireworks...just Michael and his band,playing a soulful acoustic set.This will be an amazing way to re-introduce him to the pop music world.
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Reply #71 posted 04/18/07 3:59am

Rhondab

it seems they both are still reaching for the limelight instead of doing their own thing.


Madonna has lost a lotta cred with me. Britney..now Justin and Timbaland. She's reaching.


Michael....whateva.... confused
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Reply #72 posted 04/18/07 4:00am

SoulAlive

Moonbeam said:

SoulAlive said:



lol


I mean it! pissed



just out of curiosity....do you hate him because you think he's truly whack (an an artist),or because of the whole Nipplegate thing? lol
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Reply #73 posted 04/18/07 4:03am

SoulAlive

Cloudbuster said:

I've not been keen on much of Madonna's stuff since Ray Of Light but I always check her albums out to see what she's up to.
Hopefully she'll surprise me this time around.


I seem to remember you really liking 'American Life' lol What did you think of Confessions?
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Reply #74 posted 04/18/07 4:09am

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SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

I've not been keen on much of Madonna's stuff since Ray Of Light but I always check her albums out to see what she's up to.
Hopefully she'll surprise me this time around.


I seem to remember you really liking 'American Life' lol What did you think of Confessions?


I think it's the best of the last three, for sure. But I appreciate I'm in the minority, most thought it was the worst of her career. lol
I couldn't get into Confessions. But then I'm not fond of that kind of music.
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Reply #75 posted 04/18/07 4:22am

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EmbattledWarrior said:

Mj will chart higher than madonna...
not because he's better, but he has a bigger following...least he use to...don't know now ...will be interesting...Madonna's material and following has been diminishing since vogue...but both artist are uniquely embarassing in their old age...


All artists sell less records as their careers go on but I think Madonna is in an enviable position.Look at all the artists who shared chart space with her in the 80s (Hall and Oates,Pat Benatar,Cyndi Lauper,Lionel Richie,etc).It's hard to maintain popularity,but she's still selling out arenas and having Number One albums around the world.Her 2006 tour was the most successful tour she's ever done.I would argue that she has handled her career much better than most of her peers,including Michael Jackson.Most people didn't expect her to last past the 80s and look....she's still here lol
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Reply #76 posted 04/18/07 4:29am

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MattyJam said:



Amen. And that is what has been killing his career the last 10 years. The fact that he just doesn't care to entertain anymore.

It was obvious his heart wasn't really in Invincible or the promotion he did for that album. To me, the whole thing lacked imagination. From the stale-looking video to albums first single to the tired and almost painful-to-watch concert at MSG, you could just tell he didn't want to really be there.

It's been so long since the trial, if he was really interested in a commercial comeback why wait so long?

First we were hoping and praying for a new release sometime in 2006, then there was the announcement that he'd release an album at the end of 2007 with 2 Seas Records and then that fell through... He hasn't even got a label anymore... I don't think many people seriously believe a record will surface this year.

All these things combined just make me feel as if he just doesn't care anymore.



you know what I think Michael should do? Instead of a big,glossy,over-produced album with alot of hype and unrealistic expectations,he should simply do an MTV Unplugged.Get up there with a small band and just SING!! Remind people why they became fans in the first place.Why go through the pressure of trying to make some big "comeback"? He tried that strategy with his last few albums and he fails everytime. Do an MTV Unplugged,sing his heart out and watch his fans go nuts! He could surprise people by playing songs he doesn't normally do ("I Can't Help It","Blues Away",some obscure Jackson Five songs,etc).No hype,no pressure,no grand entrance,no fireworks...just Michael and his band,playing a soulful acoustic set.This will be an amazing way to re-introduce him to the pop music world.



That's EXACTLY what he should do, it's a great idea.
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Reply #77 posted 04/18/07 4:30am

SoulAlive

pjh1972 said:

SoulAlive said:




you know what I think Michael should do? Instead of a big,glossy,over-produced album with alot of hype and unrealistic expectations,he should simply do an MTV Unplugged.Get up there with a small band and just SING!! Remind people why they became fans in the first place.Why go through the pressure of trying to make some big "comeback"? He tried that strategy with his last few albums and he fails everytime. Do an MTV Unplugged,sing his heart out and watch his fans go nuts! He could surprise people by playing songs he doesn't normally do ("I Can't Help It","Blues Away",some obscure Jackson Five songs,etc).No hype,no pressure,no grand entrance,no fireworks...just Michael and his band,playing a soulful acoustic set.This will be an amazing way to re-introduce him to the pop music world.



That's EXACTLY what he should do, it's a great idea.



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Reply #78 posted 04/18/07 4:45am

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MTV unplugged is a bad idea. That's giving in to the misconception that an artist has to be a long-haired, unshaven, stinky old bugger sitting in front of a microphone with a guitar in his hands. And I say his intentionally.

Michael Jackson has always been against that. He's always been about being and entertainer. He wears "Chosen to Entertain" on his shoulder pads. He's a showman and he believes in glitz and glamour, dancing and singing with sparkles and sequins. Michael Jackson is an entertainer, not a scummy singer-songwriter. Michael Jackson is not an unplugged artist.

Sure, he could pull off a good unplugged show. But he could pull off a better show with lights and a huge band playing loud music while he dances around the stage in shiny costumes in front of elaborate sets. That's Michael Jackson and he doesn't need to prove himself as an artist buy do an MTV unplugged.

The only way Michael Jackson can impress folks again is with a big album and big videos. You loved Thriller because the songs were amazing and the videos were impressive. Not because he sat behind a mic on a candle-light stage, wearing a flannelette shirt and singing an unplugged set. That's not how Michael Jackson goes down.
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Reply #79 posted 04/18/07 4:54am

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DarlingDiana said:

MTV unplugged is a bad idea. That's giving in to the misconception that an artist has to be a long-haired, unshaven, stinky old bugger sitting in front of a microphone with a guitar in his hands. And I say this intentionally.

Michael Jackson has always been against that. He's always been about being an entertainer. He wears "Chosen to Entertain" on his shoulder pads. He's a showman and he believes in glitz and glamour, dancing and singing with sparkles and sequins. Michael Jackson is an entertainer, not a scummy singer-songwriter. Michael Jackson is not an unplugged artist.

Sure, he could pull off a good unplugged show. But he could pull off a better show with lights and a huge band playing loud music while he dances around the stage in shiny costumes in front of elaborate sets. That's Michael Jackson and he doesn't need to prove himself as an artist by doing an MTV unplugged.

The only way Michael Jackson can impress folks again is with a big album and big videos. You loved Thriller because the songs were amazing and the videos were impressive. Not because he sat behind a mic on a candle-light stage, wearing a flannelette shirt and singing an unplugged set. That's not how Michael Jackson goes down.



The thing is...he's done all those things before.He's done the lavish,expensive videos with large groups of dancers.He's done the flashy,over-choregraphed stage shows and tours.He's done the big-budget,over-hyped albums with trendy producers and a cast of thousands.He's done it all before.An MTV unpluuged would finally be something NEW for him.It would put the focus back on his voice! Remember that? Remember the days when he was known for his singing? Remember the days when he was known for singing beautiful,well-written songs that actually had a melody? That's what he needs to remind people of.
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Reply #80 posted 04/18/07 5:15am

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SoulAlive said:

DarlingDiana said:

MTV unplugged is a bad idea. That's giving in to the misconception that an artist has to be a long-haired, unshaven, stinky old bugger sitting in front of a microphone with a guitar in his hands. And I say this intentionally.

Michael Jackson has always been against that. He's always been about being an entertainer. He wears "Chosen to Entertain" on his shoulder pads. He's a showman and he believes in glitz and glamour, dancing and singing with sparkles and sequins. Michael Jackson is an entertainer, not a scummy singer-songwriter. Michael Jackson is not an unplugged artist.

Sure, he could pull off a good unplugged show. But he could pull off a better show with lights and a huge band playing loud music while he dances around the stage in shiny costumes in front of elaborate sets. That's Michael Jackson and he doesn't need to prove himself as an artist by doing an MTV unplugged.

The only way Michael Jackson can impress folks again is with a big album and big videos. You loved Thriller because the songs were amazing and the videos were impressive. Not because he sat behind a mic on a candle-light stage, wearing a flannelette shirt and singing an unplugged set. That's not how Michael Jackson goes down.



The thing is...he's done all those things before.He's done the lavish,expensive videos with large groups of dancers.He's done the flashy,over-choregraphed stage shows and tours.He's done the big-budget,over-hyped albums with trendy producers and a cast of thousands.He's done it all before.An MTV unpluuged would finally be something NEW for him.It would put the focus back on his voice! Remember that? Remember the days when he was known for his singing? Remember the days when he was known for singing beautiful,well-written songs that actually had a melody? That's what he needs to remind people of.

Yes I remember his voice. I was just listenting to it a moment ago on this song called "Speechless". From this album called "Invincible". His voice is still there. The beautiful melodies are still there. The best way to remind people is with another album. Michael's doing the right thing. He is headed down the right track. There is no need to invent silly ways of "re-introducing" him to pop music, because he is doing it right. Just remember one thing... he's MICHAEL FUCKING JACKSON!
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Reply #81 posted 04/18/07 5:19am

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DarlingDiana said:

SoulAlive said:




The thing is...he's done all those things before.He's done the lavish,expensive videos with large groups of dancers.He's done the flashy,over-choregraphed stage shows and tours.He's done the big-budget,over-hyped albums with trendy producers and a cast of thousands.He's done it all before.An MTV unpluuged would finally be something NEW for him.It would put the focus back on his voice! Remember that? Remember the days when he was known for his singing? Remember the days when he was known for singing beautiful,well-written songs that actually had a melody? That's what he needs to remind people of.

Yes I remember his voice. I was just listenting to it a moment ago on this song called "Speechless". From this album called "Invincible". His voice is still there. The beautiful melodies are still there. The best way to remind people is with another album. Michael's doing the right thing. He is headed down the right track. There is no need to invent silly ways of "re-introducing" him to pop music, because he is doing it right. Just remember one thing... he's MICHAEL FUCKING JACKSON!


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Reply #82 posted 04/18/07 5:28am

DarlingDiana

Look, you don't need to think of ways for him to "comeback". I don't see there being any better way than with a good, solid album. Mike knows what he is doing. MTV unplugged is the worst idea I've heard since the Access Hollywood guy suggested he shoul do Thriller 2.
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Reply #83 posted 04/18/07 5:32am

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DarlingDiana said:

Look, you don't need to think of ways for him to "comeback". I don't see there being any better way than with a good, solid album. Mike knows what he is doing. MTV unplugged is the worst idea I've heard since the Access Hollywood guy suggested he should do Thriller 2.


I guess you'd be satisfied with 'Invincible 2',huh? rolleyes That seems to be what's he working on now."A good,solid album" yes,but somehow,I don't think that's where he's headed.
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Reply #84 posted 04/18/07 5:39am

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DarlingDiana said:

MTV unplugged is a bad idea. That's giving in to the misconception that an artist has to be a long-haired, unshaven, stinky old bugger sitting in front of a microphone with a guitar in his hands. And I say his intentionally.

confuse

I'm not crazy about Madonna working with Tim and Lake on this upcoming record. Actually, I'm downright pissed about it but what can I do. I do like plenty of Tim's work so I'll check it out and with the exception of American Life, I've liked most of Madonna's efforts in the last 10 years or so. Her concerts are still automatic ticket-grabbers too. There's definitely an audience there for her.

I don't know what to say about MJ. I'm not happy with his production choices either but shrug

There might be a release to sneak in and snatch the rug out from all of them. Mariah and Usher are slated for the end of the year and who know what else might be coming.
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Reply #85 posted 04/18/07 5:41am

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SoulAlive said:

DarlingDiana said:

Look, you don't need to think of ways for him to "comeback". I don't see there being any better way than with a good, solid album. Mike knows what he is doing. MTV unplugged is the worst idea I've heard since the Access Hollywood guy suggested he should do Thriller 2.


I guess you'd be satisfied with 'Invincible 2',huh? rolleyes That seems to be what's he working on now."A good,solid album" yes,but somehow,I don't think that's where he's headed.

Ofcourse I'd be satisfied with Vince 2 because I quite like the Vince album. It's got some stinkers, but it's get some really great songs too. I think you'll be eating your words once you hear the album.
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Reply #86 posted 04/18/07 5:43am

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JackieBlue said:

I don't know what to say about MJ. I'm not happy with his production choices either but shrug

Teddy Riley's working on his album. That's always a good thing.
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Reply #87 posted 04/18/07 5:44am

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SoulAlive said:

DarlingDiana said:

Look, you don't need to think of ways for him to "comeback". I don't see there being any better way than with a good, solid album. Mike knows what he is doing. MTV unplugged is the worst idea I've heard since the Access Hollywood guy suggested he should do Thriller 2.


I guess you'd be satisfied with 'Invincible 2',huh? rolleyes That seems to be what's he working on now."A good,solid album" yes,but somehow,I don't think that's where he's headed.


lol

Actually, in some ways, that's what I want from him. An album where he stays true to his R&B roots. nod
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Reply #88 posted 04/18/07 5:44am

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MattyJam said:



Amen. And that is what has been killing his career the last 10 years. The fact that he just doesn't care to entertain anymore.

It was obvious his heart wasn't really in Invincible or the promotion he did for that album. To me, the whole thing lacked imagination. From the stale-looking video to albums first single to the tired and almost painful-to-watch concert at MSG, you could just tell he didn't want to really be there.

It's been so long since the trial, if he was really interested in a commercial comeback why wait so long?

First we were hoping and praying for a new release sometime in 2006, then there was the announcement that he'd release an album at the end of 2007 with 2 Seas Records and then that fell through... He hasn't even got a label anymore... I don't think many people seriously believe a record will surface this year.

All these things combined just make me feel as if he just doesn't care anymore.



you know what I think Michael should do? Instead of a big,glossy,over-produced album with alot of hype and unrealistic expectations,he should simply do an MTV Unplugged.Get up there with a small band and just SING!! Remind people why they became fans in the first place.Why go through the pressure of trying to make some big "comeback"? He tried that strategy with his last few albums and he fails everytime. Do an MTV Unplugged,sing his heart out and watch his fans go nuts! He could surprise people by playing songs he doesn't normally do ("I Can't Help It","Blues Away",some obscure Jackson Five songs,etc).No hype,no pressure,no grand entrance,no fireworks...just Michael and his band,playing a soulful acoustic set.This will be an amazing way to re-introduce him to the pop music world.

I so agree with this. Cut out the two-hour dance video type of concerts he has done in the past and use what made him famous in the first place, his voice.; Rather than singing the same Billie Jeans and Smooth Criminal songs, he should limit them to about 3 or 4 and concentrate more on those precious gems like; I can't Help it, Looking Through the Windows, Darling Dear, Lady in My Life, Blues Away. The type of song he wouldn't normally do at concerts. Has MJ grows older he needs a more sophisticated set, not the same all dancing Lip-synching show he has been doing since Dangerous.

And I also agree with you those big, over-budget Thriller videos are so 1980s. Thriller work at the time, because it was different and original, the reason why his subsequent videos never could live up to Thriller because doing that long-winded film like, dance video was never the same after Thriller. Thriller took everyone breath away when it came out, and that initial feeling of "wow" could never be repeated even by Michael Jackson.
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Reply #89 posted 04/18/07 5:46am

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DarlingDiana said:

SoulAlive said:



I guess you'd be satisfied with 'Invincible 2',huh? rolleyes That seems to be what's he working on now."A good,solid album" yes,but somehow,I don't think that's where he's headed.

Ofcourse I'd be satisfied with Vince 2 because I quite like the Vince album. It's got some stinkers, but it's get some really great songs too. I think you'll be eating your words once you hear the album.


so you want more of the same? confuse I would think that,after all this time,you'd appreciate something new and different from Michael! An unplugged album is something he's never done before and the results could be interesting.I bet most of his longtime fans would rather have that instead of another big,trendy,over-produced,heavily hyped pop/R&B album from him.
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