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Graycap23 said: Lol....u guys are funny. I have never once said that Marvin was "not all that" as u have stated it. 2 say that Marvin is this great influence is NOT something that I would NOT prescribe 2. That does does NOT make it a fact, just my opinion. Unlike a LOT of threads here, this one will NOT turn into an arguement.
(at least NOT from me) Of course, you also have not say WHY in your opinion Marvin Gaye would not be considered "this great influence" on soul music -- which at this point is what people want to read. You are entitled to your opinion, but when it's a case of you saying something to be contradictory to the thread without any insight into your train of thought ... (I personally would like to know what has Lenny Williams has done to be put on the same plane with Gaye in your eyes). THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Actually I was just posting about Thomas Dolby, and here's his story of seeing Marvin's "National Anthem" performance" for the first time (only recently, believe it or not)... From Dolby's Blog: " ...Stevie and Marvin Friday, February 9th, 2007 I just watched a clip on YouTube that filled in a missing blank in my personal history. And I’m crying my eyes out right now. In 1985 I was asked to perform live at the Grammy Awards with Stevie Wonder, Herbie Hancock, and Howard Jones. [Note: there is also a clip of this, but that’s NOT what this blog is about. Read on!] The producers wanted us to play a synth medley consisting of one hit from each of us, and ending with the US National Anthem. As the TV show was to be mimed, we were booked to record the backing track the day before the dress rehearsal at Stevie’s studio on Western in Los Angeles, which was a huge and beautiful old movie theater. This was quite an elaborate process, and it took all day. Towards nightfall Stevie’s manager took myself and Howard aside and told us that Stevie was going to play a practical joke on Herbie, and it was going to be filmed for a TV show called ‘Bloopers.’ Stevie had told Herbie that we’d been recording on a brand new prototype Sony 48-track digital recorder, and that two top Sony executives from Japan were coming to be filmed with us at the session. They showed up, bowing very cheerfully, everybody danced around to our groovy backing track, and the cameraman was getting it all down. But suddenly someone in the control room pressed the wrong button, and the tape went silent. It seemed all 48 tracks had mistakenly gone into ‘erase’ mode, leaving a 5-second silence in our recording. Of course, everybody but Herbie knew it was all a hoax. They allowed him to suffer for about 5 minutes before telling him the truth. Everybody was delighted with the joke, even Herbie, and around midnight people started to disperse to different parts of the building. But I was a bit concernced as we had not yet recorded ‘The Star Spangled Banner’, and we were due at the Grammy’s rehearsal in about 10 hours’ time. So I went to look for Stevie in the maze of small rooms scattered around the building. Usually he is pretty easy to find as there’s an entourage of several people with him. But on this occasion he was nowhere to be found. I eventually tracked Stevie down. He was all alone, in an attic-like room on the top floor of the building filled with old files and papers. He was on his knees, playing a beaten-up upright piano. I announced my presence, and reminded him we had an anthem to record. He asked if I had any ideas for it. I said, what about a really slow sexy groove on a drum machine, and really spread it out? Stevie thought for a moment, then said ‘uh-uh. Marvin tried that one time man. He sang it that way at an NBA all-star game, and you know what? he never got on TV again until the day he died. Because all the network executives couldn’t handle a black man singing a sexy soul version of the National Anthem.’ Ok, I thought, that wasn’t such a good idea. But the image of Marvin, one of my all time favorite singers, shocking televisionland in his own inimitable style, was too much. So I said ‘wow, that must have sounded pretty great! How did he sing it?’ Stevie’s head stopped moving and for a few seconds he was completely motionless. Then slowly his fingers found the piano keys, and he started to play and sing. He sang the song through to the end. For those two minutes I don’t think my heart beat at all. I couldn’t breathe. I swear if my vital signs had been hooked up to a monitor, it would have been a flatline. He was simultaneously recalling the song; translating the chords into a gospel style; and playing in his memory banks, if not perhaps the exact licks, then at least the soul and the feeling of Marvin’s vocal performance from two years earlier. His only audience was me, huddled in a corner of this dusty attic. And any single line was one that I (or any almost other singer on the planet) would have given my right eye for. I’ve told this story a few times over the years. But until tonight, I had never seen Marvin’s actual performance the NBA game. I’d never thought to look for it on YouTube—though now I come to think of it, it’s a natural for someone to put up there. By chance I saw an article today about Marvin, and it included a link to the clip. So, thanks to YouTube, a little piece of history is now complete for me. From the first few seconds I was completely crying my eyes out. Here it is." http://www.youtube.com/wa...RvVzaQ6i8A ... Oh man, what a lucky dude to be in the room when that happened; I just saw the performance too, it was amazing, Marvin owns as an artist At this point in history, we have a choice to make
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Graycap23 said: AlexdeParis said: I respect your opinion as well, which is why I wish you'd elaborate. You've said that you disagree with us, but you haven't explained why. Who would you deem worthy of being called "one of the most influential singers"? For all we know, it could just be that the number of artists that you'd consider the most influential is smaller than ours. I'll have 2 give it some thought. I've never really thought about that question but when something like that comes up, Marvin's names NEVER enters my mine. "Soul" music is a tough one 4 me. I don't know if the public definition of soul is what I would call soul. What makes soul music different from R&B? I'd say they are one in the same. Getting back 2 your question, I'd say the following were just as influential "soul" singers were: James Brown Sam Cooke Curtis Mayfield Stevie Wonder O'Jay's Sam and Dave Shuggie Otis Lenny Williams Otis Redding Wilson Pickett Jackie Wilson The Isley Brothers..... and many others would come 2 mind before Marvin. Now keep in mind I like Marvin, he was a great talent no question. Was he more influential than some of these people? I'm NOT so sure. If you really want to know how influential Marvin was,just talk to any of today's male R&B artists.Ask them to list their influences.I guarantee you that Marvin's name will come up.Artists like Brian McKnight,D'Angelo,Maxwell,Robin Thicke,etc would all list Marvin as a major influence. | |
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SoulAlive said: Graycap23 said: I'll have 2 give it some thought. I've never really thought about that question but when something like that comes up, Marvin's names NEVER enters my mine. "Soul" music is a tough one 4 me. I don't know if the public definition of soul is what I would call soul. What makes soul music different from R&B? I'd say they are one in the same. Getting back 2 your question, I'd say the following were just as influential "soul" singers were: James Brown Sam Cooke Curtis Mayfield Stevie Wonder O'Jay's Sam and Dave Shuggie Otis Lenny Williams Otis Redding Wilson Pickett Jackie Wilson The Isley Brothers..... and many others would come 2 mind before Marvin. Now keep in mind I like Marvin, he was a great talent no question. Was he more influential than some of these people? I'm NOT so sure. If you really want to know how influential Marvin was,just talk to any of today's male R&B artists.Ask them to list their influences.I guarantee you that Marvin's name will come up.Artists like Brian McKnight,D'Angelo,Maxwell,Robin Thicke,etc would all list Marvin as a major influence. Say it Brotha!  Check me out and add me on:
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PapaSmurf said: SoulAlive said: Oh please  Artists are people too.They have their good and bad qualities.Even Prince has alot of character flaws.All that matters is their art.That's what people should be focusing on."Oh please" all you want. People defend Marvin Gaye on the mere basis that he was a "beloved" artist. "He had inner turmoil...he was plagued by inner conflicts..." "Oh please" to that. If this were any other Joe Schmoe on the nightly news, you'd all be saying, "What scum, he should rot in jail." Papasmurf, I think someone may be a little jealous  . Its alright, its a natural reaction for someone who maybe hasnt excelled in life as much as another human being, he was a great singer, shy but had women falling at his feet and an excellent producer. It sucks I know.
We only know bout him cos of the music - of his flaws you can add to wife beater - kidnapper, lazy, talks in 3rd person and he used to fart in bed. Doesnt stop me loving his music. | |
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Najee said: Graycap23 said: Lol....u guys are funny. I have never once said that Marvin was "not all that" as u have stated it. 2 say that Marvin is this great influence is NOT something that I would NOT prescribe 2. That does does NOT make it a fact, just my opinion. Unlike a LOT of threads here, this one will NOT turn into an arguement.
(at least NOT from me) Of course, you also have not say WHY in your opinion Marvin Gaye would not be considered "this great influence" on soul music -- which at this point is what people want to read. You are entitled to your opinion, but when it's a case of you saying something to be contradictory to the thread without any insight into your train of thought ... (I personally would like to know what has Lenny Williams has done to be put on the same plane with Gaye in your eyes). My typing skills are WACK. I meant Lenny White from One Way. | |
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All I know is that "what's going on" has to be the most relevant album, ever. Infact it is more relevant now than in 72 when it was first release, and it was really relevant then!! For that alone I would say Marvin Gaye is the most influential soul and even political artist there has ever been. | |
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whatsgoingon said: All I know is that "what's going on" has to be the most relevant album, ever. Infact it is more relevant now than in 72 when it was first release, and it was really relevant then!! For that alone I would say Marvin Gaye is the most influential soul and even political artist there has ever been.
I seriously agree with that! Take a listen to Inner City Blues, for instance. This song is the TRUTH and the way he executed it was incredible, in poetic style. It sounds like it could've been made today and the album overall is an unbelievably relevant classic. But one thing I will never understand about this masterpiece is if it will ever rival or trump Curtis Mayfield's Curtis, Stevie Wonder's Innervisions, or Sly & The Family Stone's There's A Riot Goin' On. Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: whatsgoingon said: All I know is that "what's going on" has to be the most relevant album, ever. Infact it is more relevant now than in 72 when it was first release, and it was really relevant then!! For that alone I would say Marvin Gaye is the most influential soul and even political artist there has ever been.
I seriously agree with that! Take a listen to Inner City Blues, for instance. This song is the TRUTH and the way he executed it was incredible, in poetic style. It sounds like it could've been made today and the album overall is an unbelievably relevant classic. But one thing I will never understand about this masterpiece is if it will ever rival or trump Curtis Mayfield's Curtis, Stevie Wonder's Innervisions, or Sly & The Family Stone's There's A Riot Goin' On. Not only Inner City Blues, but "What's Going on" and "What's Happening Brother" were written with the ill-fated, vietnam war in mind and here we are 35 yrs on with another pointless war going on in Iraq. Mercy, Mercy Me and Save The Children, well, you only need to look around you today to see how those songs are more relevant than ever. As for rivalling similiar albums from Curtis Mayfield, Stevie and Sly & The family I know quite sure about the answer to that. [Edited 4/4/07 9:49am] | |
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silverchild said: whatsgoingon said: All I know is that "what's going on" has to be the most relevant album, ever. Infact it is more relevant now than in 72 when it was first release, and it was really relevant then!! For that alone I would say Marvin Gaye is the most influential soul and even political artist there has ever been.
I seriously agree with that! Take a listen to Inner City Blues, for instance. This song is the TRUTH and the way he executed it was incredible, in poetic style. It sounds like it could've been made today and the album overall is an unbelievably relevant classic. But one thing I will never understand about this masterpiece is if it will ever rival or trump Curtis Mayfield's Curtis, Stevie Wonder's Innervisions, or Sly & The Family Stone's There's A Riot Goin' On. There are a lot of different ways to decide that. FWIW, I think it's virtually undeniable that What's Going On is more critically acclaimed than all three of those other classics. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Marvin's music was and still is great. I believe he still influences many artists today. I'm a huge fan of his music, but not much of a fan of the man. I feel the same way about James Brown, Tupac and Elvis.
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What about Here My Dear? Have any of you guys' opinions on that incredible piece of work changed? It still ranks with What's Going On, Let's Get It On, and I Want You as the best work he has done, IMHO. [Edited 4/4/07 10:43am] Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: What about Here My Dear? Have any of you guys' opinions on that incredible piece of work changed? It still ranks with What's Going On, Let's Get It On, and I Want You as the best work he has done, IMHO.
I adore it, but I think it's definitely behind the 3 of those. I'd also rank it behind his best '60s material (like "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" and "Ain't That Peculiar") and his best duets. It also gets points from me for being one of the simultaneously funny, sad, and ballsy albums ever recorded. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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The more I hear of Marvin Gaye's singing and music, the more impressed I am. His '70s work n particular was truly stellar. I used to be a little dismissive of Marvin's work up until a few years ago. I was thinking along the lines of, 'He's not as great a songwriter as Curtis Mayfield or Stevie Wonder, or as funky as JB or Sly, he seemed a little shallow, 'What's Goin' on' is great but a little samey and simplistic perhaps. But then I found 'Trouble Man' and, more significantly, the 'Got To Give It Up' Funk Collection.
I love many of Marvin's soul performances (What a falsetto), but the above compilation has a number of '70s singles, non-album tracks like 'You're the Man' and 'Ego Trippin' Out', which are great funky tracks. Marvin and the Funk Bros.laid down some pretty funky joints in their time and I think Marvin is a little underated in his funkiness - He was smooth but he definitely had the funk. I put this CD on and it stays welded to my stereo for days. A £1.99 very well spent! 
The compilation also contains 'The World Is Rated X', another non-album track, which contains imo one of the Marvin's most intense, sincere and soulful vocals - a classic imo. I put that on and I'm gone. | |
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Miles said: The more I hear of Marvin Gaye's singing and music, the more impressed I am. His '70s work n particular was truly stellar. I used to be a little dismissive of Marvin's work up until a few years ago. I was thinking along the lines of, 'He's not as great a songwriter as Curtis Mayfield or Stevie Wonder, or as funky as JB or Sly, he seemed a little shallow, 'What's Goin' on' is great but a little samey and simplistic perhaps. But then I found 'Trouble Man' and, more significantly, the 'Got To Give It Up' Funk Collection.
I love many of Marvin's soul performances (What a falsetto), but the above compilation has a number of '70s singles, non-album tracks like 'You're the Man' and 'Ego Trippin' Out', which are great funky tracks. Marvin and the Funk Bros.laid down some pretty funky joints in their time and I think Marvin is a little underated in his funkiness - He was smooth but he definitely had the funk. I put this CD on and it stays welded to my stereo for days. A £1.99 very well spent!
The compilation also contains 'The World Is Rated X', another non-album track, which contains imo one of the Marvin's most intense, sincere and soulful vocals - a classic imo. I put that on and I'm gone. What else does the Got To Give It Up Funk Collection contain? I'll have to pick this one up later... Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: Miles said: The more I hear of Marvin Gaye's singing and music, the more impressed I am. His '70s work n particular was truly stellar. I used to be a little dismissive of Marvin's work up until a few years ago. I was thinking along the lines of, 'He's not as great a songwriter as Curtis Mayfield or Stevie Wonder, or as funky as JB or Sly, he seemed a little shallow, 'What's Goin' on' is great but a little samey and simplistic perhaps. But then I found 'Trouble Man' and, more significantly, the 'Got To Give It Up' Funk Collection.
I love many of Marvin's soul performances (What a falsetto), but the above compilation has a number of '70s singles, non-album tracks like 'You're the Man' and 'Ego Trippin' Out', which are great funky tracks. Marvin and the Funk Bros.laid down some pretty funky joints in their time and I think Marvin is a little underated in his funkiness - He was smooth but he definitely had the funk. I put this CD on and it stays welded to my stereo for days. A £1.99 very well spent!
The compilation also contains 'The World Is Rated X', another non-album track, which contains imo one of the Marvin's most intense, sincere and soulful vocals - a classic imo. I put that on and I'm gone. What else does the Got To Give It Up Funk Collection contain? I'll have to pick this one up later... I wouldn't bother unless you can find it really cheap. Here's the tracklist: 1. "T" Plays It Cool (Instrumental Soundtrack Version) 2. Got To Give It Up (Pt.1) 3. Funk Me 4. Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler) 5. You're The Man (Pts 1 & 2) (Single Version) 6. Funky Space Reincarnation 7. Ego Tripping Out (Single Version) 8. Checking Out (Double Clutch) (1995 The Master Version) 9. When Did You Stop Loving Me, When Did I Stop Loving You 10. Love Party 11. Since I Had You 12. Time To Get It Together 13. World Is Rated X (1995 Anthology Version) 14. In Our Lifetime 15. After The Dance You should have all of that already besides "The World Is Rated X" and the songs from In Our Lifetime. Since the latter is supposed to be re-released soon, you may want to wait for that. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: silverchild said: What else does the Got To Give It Up Funk Collection contain? I'll have to pick this one up later... I wouldn't bother unless you can find it really cheap. Here's the tracklist: 1. "T" Plays It Cool (Instrumental Soundtrack Version) 2. Got To Give It Up (Pt.1) 3. Funk Me 4. Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler) 5. You're The Man (Pts 1 & 2) (Single Version) 6. Funky Space Reincarnation 7. Ego Tripping Out (Single Version) 8. Checking Out (Double Clutch) (1995 The Master Version) 9. When Did You Stop Loving Me, When Did I Stop Loving You 10. Love Party 11. Since I Had You 12. Time To Get It Together 13. World Is Rated X (1995 Anthology Version) 14. In Our Lifetime 15. After The Dance You should have all of that already besides "The World Is Rated X" and the songs from In Our Lifetime. Since the latter is supposed to be re-released soon, you may want to wait for that. Maybe you're right. I have all of this stuff already, so the only essential thing I really need from Marvin's catalog is the In Our Lifetime album but I don't know where to find it. Isn't this supposed to get the deluxe edition treatment sometime this year from Universal and Motown? Check me out and add me on:
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whatsgoingon said: All I know is that "what's going on" has to be the most relevant album, ever. Infact it is more relevant now than in 72 when it was first release, and it was really relevant then!! For that alone I would say Marvin Gaye is the most influential soul and even political artist there has ever been.
Sam Cooke is the most influential soul artist and Bob Marley is the most influential political artist. | |
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Has anyone ever seen this campy promo video? This is the video for A Funky Space Reincarnation from the classic Here My Dear album:
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