There is even more of a double standard when discussing Joss and others like Alicia Keys. Now im not gonna get into defending Joss's talent again, because if you like her,cool, if you dont, turn the page. But the bigger issue that seems to bother me is this whole "faker" "wannabe" labeling going round conerning Joss. And Yet someone like Robin Thicke is held up like the Fucking messiah of soul, now not knocking him, but cut me a break with this guy already he is not even worthy of a quarter of the praise he is getting, the press is kinder to him for many reasons, one, he is a male, and two, he looks the part, case closed. But what does strike me when i see the blasting of Joss and others with talent and at least respect for the music that was before them, is how we do pick on those with talent and let others slip by un marked. The other day i saw this interview with Norah Jones talking about music that she grew up on, and i guarantee if you quizzed todays POP stars like a Justin on the artists she mentioned he wouldnt know one of them, theres alot to be said of those who respect what was before them and some just do that.

Stone is definitely a talented vocalist. My problem with her is that she tries too hard. I don't believe anything she sings.

laurarichardson said:

Otis: Fantastic
Aretha: Sublime
Al Green: Had his moments, but never really did it for me.

Urban means "of the city", and to me it always will. The idea that only black artists can create music that has an 'urban' sound is fucking ridiculous.



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MikeMatronik said:

She is, and even though I don't like the girl, it pisses me off something rotten (see my earlier posts!)

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peterfalconer said:

I feel sometimes that she's dismissed because she's white, young and british!

laurarichardson said:

Otis: Fantastic
Aretha: Sublime
Al Green: Had his moments, but never really did it for me.

Urban means "of the city", and to me it always will. The idea that only black artists can create music that has an 'urban' sound is fucking ridiculous.



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BlaqueKnight said:

I'm not going any further with this - I've already caused a thread to be closed down after a black orger with a chip on his shoulder about white people had the whole thing descend into abuse.

Get your head out of your arse, BlaqueKnight - you might see things better.

peterfalconer said:

Awww. What's the matter? Did they kick you off American Idol? You sound bitter AND ignorant. Dissing an entire genre? How clueless can you be? Soul; a collection of licks? By that logic, all structured music could be categorized as such. Rock especially.
So, let me get this straight. Being white, young and British has in no way helped her career?
If that were true, it would be a freakin' FIRST!
Interesting, since the record label used those very qualities to sell her in the first place. It never ceases to amaze me how whenever a young white girl sings like an old black woman, she gets pushed miles ahead of young black girls that sing the exact same way or better. But hey, I guess that's not good enough. Nope. I guess some feel she needs to be declared "world's best vocalist" or some shit just because she can carry a tune in a soulful manner? Joss is a DECENT singer but by "soul" standards, she is far less fascinating to people who know the genre well. Its not a matter of people not giving her props; its a matter of real soul/gospel/R&B fans having have heard a lot BETTER than her. She is fascinating to a POP audience who has had less exposure to real soul singing. I just heard her again on Letterman tonight. She's OKAY. Decent. It has a lot less to do with her skin color and much more to do with her skill level.
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peterfalconer said:

i mean that in a bad way (and i dontmean bad as in good) lol. There are black soul singers that would sing that little faker under the table. shit, there are white females singers that could dust her. she has gotten very lucky.

peterfalconer said:

Are you talking about the thread about Prince saying he was bi-racial?

I hope not.

I think I'm one of the few joss stone fans here!

PurpleCharm said:

I was wondering what happened to that thread! It was getting interesting but then the next day,I looked for it and it had disappeared...lol...I bet things got really heated on that thread!

peterfalconer said:

Awww. What's the matter? Did they kick you off American Idol? You sound bitter AND ignorant. Dissing an entire genre? How clueless can you be? Soul; a collection of licks? By that logic, all structured music could be categorized as such. Rock especially.
So, let me get this straight. Being white, young and British has in no way helped her career?
If that were true, it would be a freakin' FIRST!
Interesting, since the record label used those very qualities to sell her in the first place. It never ceases to amaze me how whenever a young white girl sings like an old black woman, she gets pushed miles ahead of young black girls that sing the exact same way or better. But hey, I guess that's not good enough. Nope. I guess some feel she needs to be declared "world's best vocalist" or some shit just because she can carry a tune in a soulful manner? Joss is a DECENT singer but by "soul" standards, she is far less fascinating to people who know the genre well. Its not a matter of people not giving her props; its a matter of real soul/gospel/R&B fans having have heard a lot BETTER than her. She is fascinating to a POP audience who has had less exposure to real soul singing. I just heard her again on Letterman tonight. She's OKAY. Decent. It has a lot less to do with her skin color and much more to do with her skill level.
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SoulAlive said:

It was removed with the quickness. I knew it would be only a matter of time before it was locked or removed.

BlaqueKnight said:

Your comments are 100% correct. Anyone who disagrees is NOT being realistic.

the picture looks very, unique, but my question is, what is the reason for it? yeah he produced her album, so what, why was the need for the picture?

the picture looks very, unique, but my question is, what is the reason for it? yeah he produced her album, so what, why was the need for the picture?

If this had been D'Angelo and Angie Stone wrapped up together in paint, i think people would be saying the same thing. so what...
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missfee said:

They're a couple now.

Harlepolis said:

okay, but the picture is still pointless. it's pretty, but it's pointless. is Jay-Z and Beyawnce going to be intwined together inside her cd booklet for her next album?

Harlepolis said:

okay, but the picture is still pointless. it's pretty, but it's pointless. is Jay-Z and Beyawnce going to be intwined together inside her cd booklet for her next album?

missfee said:

Nah,,,Beyonce's too calculated for that.

Though I agree that it has no purpose. And the album cover is a rip-off of..

you know what i think is funny, is how when he first came out with TTT he was this skinny, scrawny fella who was the lead singer...but now he's got these muscles but still sort of small. i mean he looks better than he did then...i guess what i'm trying to say is that he has come along way from a leader singer, to songwriter and producer for other artists..well he's always been a musician. okay time for me to shut up. my words aren't coming out right.