SPYZFAN1 said:

Nationality? They're American, born in New York. If you're talking about race, they're black or mixed, whichever you prefer. Vernonica (Ronnie) and her sister Estelle have a black mother and a white father. Nedra is their cousin.

marto said:

Good list. But I want KISS in the HOF first!

According to Billboard chart statistics, Chicago is second only to the Beach Boys as the most successful American rock band of all time, in terms of both albums and singles. Judged by album sales, as certified by the R.I.A.A., the band does not rank quite so high, but it is still among the Top Ten best-selling U.S. groups ever.

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If this is even close to being accurate, there's no way that Chicago shouldn't be considered.


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theAudience said:

and hard as it is to imagine now, they used to be really good. Especially before they had to shorten their name.

So now what ??

I look at the Hall of Fame the same way i look at the Grammy's. Sometimes im impressed and sometimes, most times, i step back and say how the fuck are they not in. Lets just look at how artists like Joan Jett,Kiss,Chicago,Hall and Oates,Heart,Moody Blues, and so many more have not even gotten a look, and of course my favorite thing, John Mellencamp being on the ballot 3 straight years and not getting enough votes while MAJOR TALENTS like Percy Sledge and his amazing output got in, give me a break. To me Mellencamp goes in over Springsteen even. Now the Hall says its not so much about Hits its about influence, ok, so if you put the Ramones in for Influence, how do you OVERLOOK Joan Jett, who influenced tons of Female Rock artists, and how is Pat Benatar not in their, is there ONE real Rock Female in the hall, sorry i dont count Motown Ladies or Mamas and the Papas as Rock Females. The Hall seriously needs some help, in the coming years artists like Madonna,Jovi,Duran,Metallica,Mariah, and so many others will be up, i wonder who will go in.

NDRU said:

If you ain't got it...



...get it.



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lastdecember said:

Best selling duo of all time?
If that your measuring stick they've gotta go.


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theAudience said:

Exactly, how the hell they arent in Amazes me. Hall and Oates? Not in the hall of fame? too Many hits? too many influences? one of the only artists to cross genres of music, the way its supposed to be done. Till they are in its the Hall of Shame.

lastdecember said:

I agree. I am shocked to learn that Hall & Oates are not in the HOF. They are so overlooked, which is sad. They were really a talented duo. They have given the world so classic songs, and as you stated, they have seamlessly crossed genres on the strenght of great songs.

rainman1985 said:

yeah, fine, but the bass kicks ass. totally agree, however, that Maiden is not HOF material.



agree. no way DL belongs in the HOF.



agree. Alice is in.



agree.



Duran Duran maybe gets a mention on some exhibit honoring the music video, but inductees? please. agree

A few others coming up very soon, one is Bon Jovi, easily they go in, i dont think there should be a debate, they just went into the UK hall of Fame and they should go in First Ballot. Also i heard someone talking about GNR going in one day, I say NO WAY. This is the problem with the Hall. I think you should have some sort of output over a period of time to go in, so to me, GNR and Nirvana, two of the most overrated Bands dont go in, sorry but they dont.

lastdecember said:

I don't think a Bon Jovi induction is beyond debate.

A bunch of hit songs does not equal a HOF career, IMO. A HOF fame career is one that clearly influenced the course of music; artists that subsequent, significant artists point to as innovators. Bon Jovi is not in that league, as far as I can tell.

GNR doesn't belong. Nirvana, however, is probably a shoe in, although I don't think its beyond debate. Not by a long shot.

Stax said:

But lets be real there are plenty of non-innovators in there, Percy Sledge,Del Shannon,The Dixie Cups...While artists like John Mellencamp dont get voted in after 3 years on the ballot. I think the Jovi goes in based on the respect from its peers that are already in, and there worldwide appeal, Dylan called them the best live band ever. And honestly they would be the only band from the 80's that i think will get in, i dont think any others like Duran,Depeche,Cure etc..have a shot at getting in. I still question the Ronnettes getting in. I think that at this point the HOF lets in someone due (REM ,VAN HALEN) someone to make a point (GRANDMASTER FLASH) and someone from way back just to show they havent forgotten (RONNETTES). As for Nirvana getting in, i wouldnt vote for them, Pearl Jam to me was the only band to come out of Grunge, Nirvana didnt do enough to garner a vote, and honestly most of their innovation came after Kurt killed himself, thats when the legend was born not before. And GNR, no way do i vote them in, at this point not only overrated, but a joke at this point with Axl Rose's lunacy over an album that probably isnt that good.
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LightOfArt said:

Man how many other seemingly obvious bands aren't in this 'Hall'

paisley16 said:

Out of interest what things has he said? I heard a live recording of an acoustic version of 'Pour some sugar on me' and his voice sounded fucked up high, wouldn't of been so noticeable if he didn't keep going up there...
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rainman1985 said:

you idiot you dont have to be bloddy rock to get in fool. Iron Maiden , def leppard & duran are influential. check the polls on futurerockhall.com

Iron maiden albums sell well in america + they had a top 10 album last year thier first.

Def leppard should be inducted over its 5 first albums thats all

Grunge deserve its spot so does rap

No fucking way will mariah get in just because u sell 100 million records doesn't mean u deserve it. Mariah is not an artist she is pre packaged & preprocessed & she squeals like an ugly pig.

Beck will def get in even if he only had one top 40 hit


top 5 picks for every rock hall ceremony after 2008

2009: run dmc, bon Jovi, slayer, Pantera (they got to d it for dime), Stevie ray
2010: chili peppers, LL cool J, Anthrax,spinal tap, Nick Cave
2011:flaming lips, white zombie, Megadeth, Faith No More, Joe satriani (sideman)
2012: guns N roses, Soundgarden (thats all from 86 debut unless they want flaming new kids on the block
2013: Niggaz wit attitude, Public enemy, janes addiction
2014: offspring, Melissa etheridge, Traveling Wilburys kylie (longshot)
2015: dream theater, green day, nirvana, Nine inch nails, Garth Brooks
2016: alice in chains, blur smashing pumpkins, Ice Cube
2017: Pearl jam, Tori Amios
2018: Beck, Dr.Dre, Radiohead, rage against the machines, tool
2019: Bjork,Sheryl Crow, Wu Tang
2020: Oasis,Outkast. BIG, Jeff Buckerly, Maralin Manson
2021: foo fighters, Rammstein, JayZ,
2022: eminem'
2023: creed, slipknot (only if they last a 6th album)
2024: coldplay, queen of the stone age, SOAD
2025: the white stripes
2026: Linkin Park
2027: gorillaz, the strokes
2028: audioslave
2029 no one popular that came out in 2003
2030: wolfmother

marto said:

put down the drugs

lastdecember said:

I also don't see BJ as legend material either,they're got a few good songs no great albums, every time they got close to a great song they just watered it down a little... or a lot. I don't know what year Dylan complimented their live show but it couldn't of been in the last 15 years, they're been phoning it in for a while now. Jon sings as oppose to growls live which is fine but whenever anyone sounds noticeably different live from studio it lessens their show, plus he avoids the high notes . Their fast numbers do seem to have a little bit more energy but that wouldn't be hard.

As for PJ\Nirvana\GNR, PJ are the only ones with a significantly sized catalouge but their style overall is more derivative than people will admit and there just aren't enough original sounding classic songs from them. GNR weren't orginal enough either and the Illusion albums were a noticable let down in song quality and production. Spaghetti incident wasn't really a serious attempt at an album and it shows, it had the kind of production the Illusions should of had but the songs choices and some of the performances weren't very inspired. Nirvana, not quite the Bon Jovi of their scene but not far off, their photogenic singer was the reason they rose above their peers. Sure they had one great album, a very good one and an average one of not nearly as original music as many claim, are still the sum of achivements. If only the public could separate the myth of Cobain from the actual albums.
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marto said:

I never said Maiden weren't rock, just that they aren't very good.

Stax said:

What's the best example of of their kick arse bass for you?

TonyVanDam said:

If you induct Kiss it's based a few albums and their commercial legacy rather than a career of great music.

Stax said:

Im not on drugs u nut i was making predictions from futurerockhall poll

rainman1985 said:

I know! They are the foundation of Hard Rock as we know it along with Zep and Sabbath.

And unlike them they are still active( no Blackmore though )

rainman1985 said:

Killers, Invaders, and TNOTB, to name a few.

marto said:

Yeah, I'm the nut. Creed? Come on. The douche bag hall of fame, maybe.

rainman1985 said:

Have to disagree on the Jovi front. I think that band has ever phoned it in, what we may see as being watered down is just a natural progression of life, should they still be wearing make up and spandex? i mean how foolish would they look at this point. As far as not being a "critically" acclaimed band, well early on they werent but they go in just for "Slippery When Wet" and "New Jersey" as 2 of the best albums of the 80's. Critics dont know anything, i thought we all knew that. As far as Dylans comment it was recent and wasnt the first time he said, i think within Jovi are a good strong band member by member, which is NOT true of other bands that have gotten in, there are many that have gotten in that i would remove in a heartbeat for Bon Jovi.

Def Lepard and Duran Duran both deserve to be inducted. So pssshh.... *snaps fingers*

rainman1985 said:

Well, I've been a fan since they came out. Saw them live in the 80's and they were great- one of the best shows at the time. Then I saw them last summer when they toured with Journey and they were horrible. on top of that, they played almost all of their new album and almost nothing we were looking to hear except for Pour Some Sugar. Now, I don't blame them for doing some of their new stuff, but they opened and proceeded with 5-6 songs of that before doing one of their past great songs. I didn't even know they had a new album out until that show started- and heard nothing that had me headed for the store. We were really disappointed. Then shortly after, I think it was an episode of Hangin With on VH1- he was asked about how do they put together a set list. Very cockily, he replied something like " we do some stuff we have to, that people expect- (I saw/heard very little of that), some of our new stuff, and some things just for us". WTF??? "just for us"??? HELLO- play for yourself at home my friend, people are buying tickets here. I don't have a problem with some new stuff, but I felt they really over did it since it wasn't that good and they left out so much. So, it left a really bad taste in my mouth, his attitude was the worst. Even if a lead singer thinks that, it shouldn't be said in that fashion. Just seemed like he had no respect for their fans at all.

paisley16 said:

Well its debatable, obviously his attitude isnt, but as far as what a band should play its really a tough ground for a band. If a band is still gonna record new albums than they wanna play the new songs, not saying they shouldnt play famous hits, but its really a tough call. I remember being really upset with PRINCE on the Emancipation tour because here he had a 3cd set and he played 4 songs from it, and just seemed to roll out the hits as usual. So ive seen both ends of this spectrum, during DURAN DURAN's Pop Trash tour they played 8 songs from the new album. Usually i wanna hear the new stuff, I remember seeing Elton John a few years back and it was like the 10th time i had seen him, and honestly all i wanted to hear was the album the last thing i wanted to hear was "Your Song" again. But i understand why they keep hits in and keep them out.