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Ebony and Ivory...bLEH!! As much as I love Stevie Wonder and respect Paul McCartney, this song sux! Yes, it has a great message, but man, this song blows. It's cheesy as hell!
I think it's a prime example of what CAN happen when you let two major talents(maybe even geniuses) go into the studio and have complete free reign with the music(not that Im against doing everything yourself of course. It's just that, in going that route, you run the risk of your ego stepping in, and not being able to tell correctly what sounds good and what doesn't). I dont know, some of you might disagree, but I just find the song completely corny. I think Prince can have a similar problem as far as having an ego step in, but MJ has definitely been in the same boat as this song. Earth Song is great and is a good example of how a social-conscious song should be written, but I can barely stand Heal The World and The Lost Children almost made me run towards the trash can Any thoughts?? | |
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newskin69 said: As much as I love Stevie Wonder and respect Paul McCartney, this song sux! Yes, it has a great message, but man, this song blows. It's cheesy as hell!
I think it's a prime example of what CAN happen when you let two major talents(maybe even geniuses) go into the studio and have complete free reign with the music(not that Im against doing everything yourself of course. It's just that, in going that route, you run the risk of your ego stepping in, and not being able to tell correctly what sounds good and what doesn't). I dont know, some of you might disagree, but I just find the song completely corny. I think Prince can have a similar problem as far as having an ego step in, but MJ has definitely been in the same boat as this song. Earth Song is great and is a good example of how a social-conscious song should be written, but I can barely stand Heal The World and The Lost Children almost made me run towards the trash can Any thoughts?? Horrible song, yes. Having two music legends sitting in the studio together just doing what they please can turn out some great stuff, but too often just ends up a load of mutual cocksucking. And I'm not a fan of socially conscious songs anyway, I'm afraid. I want to hear something on the radio that makes me want to live another day - I don't want a lecture from Bono (multi-millionaire tax-dodging hypocrite) on how to spend the little money I have! 
Jesus, I really am in a bad mood tonight. If anybody actually cared about what I was saying I'd be the most unpopular person on these boards! Most people rightly seem to ignore me - it's for the best; carry on, fellas!  | |
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newskin69 said: As much as I love Stevie Wonder and respect Paul McCartney, this song sux! Yes, it has a great message, but man, this song blows. It's cheesy as hell!
I think it's a prime example of what CAN happen when you let two major talents(maybe even geniuses) go into the studio and have complete free reign with the music(not that Im against doing everything yourself of course. It's just that, in going that route, you run the risk of your ego stepping in, and not being able to tell correctly what sounds good and what doesn't). I dont know, some of you might disagree, but I just find the song completely corny. I think Prince can have a similar problem as far as having an ego step in, but MJ has definitely been in the same boat as this song. Earth Song is great and is a good example of how a social-conscious song should be written, but I can barely stand Heal The World and The Lost Children almost made me run towards the trash can Any thoughts?? Earth Song, Heal The World, & The Lost Children are THE same damn song as We Are The World. THAT's why I called it the We Are The World-type bullshyt!!! 
As I said in past threads, Michael needs to stop trying to save the world so much with the same damn song and put more focus on saving the dancefloor. | |
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peterfalconer said: newskin69 said: As much as I love Stevie Wonder and respect Paul McCartney, this song sux! Yes, it has a great message, but man, this song blows. It's cheesy as hell!
I think it's a prime example of what CAN happen when you let two major talents(maybe even geniuses) go into the studio and have complete free reign with the music(not that Im against doing everything yourself of course. It's just that, in going that route, you run the risk of your ego stepping in, and not being able to tell correctly what sounds good and what doesn't). I dont know, some of you might disagree, but I just find the song completely corny. I think Prince can have a similar problem as far as having an ego step in, but MJ has definitely been in the same boat as this song. Earth Song is great and is a good example of how a social-conscious song should be written, but I can barely stand Heal The World and The Lost Children almost made me run towards the trash can Any thoughts?? Horrible song, yes. Having two music legends sitting in the studio together just doing what they please can turn out some great stuff, but too often just ends up a load of mutual cocksucking. And I'm not a fan of socially conscious songs anyway, I'm afraid. I want to hear something on the radio that makes me want to live another day - I don't want a lecture from Bono (multi-millionaire tax-dodging hypocrite) on how to spend the little money I have!
Jesus, I really am in a bad mood tonight. If anybody actually cared about what I was saying I'd be the most unpopular person on these boards! Most people rightly seem to ignore me - it's for the best; carry on, fellas! YEAH!!!! Exactly!  | |
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CinisterCee said: (one... two... three... four...)
K-R-S and Melodie... live together with D-Nice and Harmony side by side with Rebecca, D-Square, Sidney B...D...P...! Maybe this question is a thread in itself, but what ever happen to all of the former members of BDP (especially Melodie, the former Mrs. KRS-One)? | |
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TonyVanDam said: Earth Song, Heal The World, & The Lost Children are THE same damn song as We Are The World. THAT's why I called it the We Are The World-type bullshyt!!!
What did I tell you in the other thread?! "Earth Song" and "Heal the World" are good songs! Now stop going on and on about that made-up "Lost Children" song. It. Doesn't. Exist. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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peterfalconer said: And I'm not a fan of socially conscious songs anyway, I'm afraid. I want to hear something on the radio that makes me want to live another day - I don't want a lecture from Bono (multi-millionaire tax-dodging hypocrite) on how to spend the little money I have!
Socially conscious songs are like any other type of songs -- it depends on the execution and delivery. Songs like The Isley Brothers' "Harvest for the World," Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On," The O'Jays' "Love Train" and Earth, Wind & Fire's "That's the Way of the World" are great musically. Even if the content wasn't about worldly stuff, these songs and others have inspiring, uplifitng (and in this case, progessively funky) arrangements. The type of songs like Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney's "Ebony and Ivory" would be mawkish no matter the content, because of the sappy arrangement. Using "Ebony and Ivory" as an example is similar to saying all cars are like a Yugo -- it doesn't mean the concept is bad, merely the execution of that one particular concept. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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AlexdeParis said: TonyVanDam said: Earth Song, Heal The World, & The Lost Children are THE same damn song as We Are The World. THAT's why I called it the We Are The World-type bullshyt!!!
What did I tell you in the other thread?! "Earth Song" and "Heal the World" are good songs! Now stop going on and on about that made-up "Lost Children" song. It. Doesn't. Exist. Then what the hell is the song doing on THIS album?: 
We pray for our fathers, pray for our mothers Wishing our families well We sing songs for the wishing, of those who are kissing But not for the missing (CHORUS 1) So this one’s for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children, wishing them well And wishing them home When you sit there addressing, counting your blessings Biding your time When you lay me down sleeping and my heart is weeping Because I’m keeping a place (CHORUS 2) For all the lost children This is for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children, wishing them well And wishing them home Home with their fathers, Snug close and warm, loving their mothers I see the door simply wide open But no one can find thee (CHORUS 3) So pray for all the lost children Let’s pray for all the lost children Just think of all the lost children, wishing them well This is for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children Just think of all the lost children Wishing them well, and wishing them home | |
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TonyVanDam said: CinisterCee said: (one... two... three... four...)
K-R-S and Melodie... live together with D-Nice and Harmony side by side with Rebecca, D-Square, Sidney B...D...P...! Maybe this question is a thread in itself, but what ever happen to all of the former members of BDP (especially Melodie, the former Mrs. KRS-One)?  All I know is D-Nice is a photographer now. | |
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CinisterCee said: TonyVanDam said: Maybe this question is a thread in itself, but what ever happen to all of the former members of BDP (especially Melodie, the former Mrs. KRS-One)? All I know is D-Nice is a photographer now.Takin' pictures of you suckas And you don't know how I did it "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Najee said: Socially conscious songs are like any other type of songs -- it depends on the execution and delivery. Songs like The Isley Brothers' "Harvest for the World," Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On," The O'Jays' "Love Train" and Earth, Wind & Fire's "That's the Way of the World" are great musically. Even if the content wasn't about worldly stuff, these songs and others have inspiring, uplifitng (and in this case, progessively funky) arrangements.
You don't think "What's Going On" is mawkish? And with the usual 'everyone's entitled to their own opinion' disclaimer, "Love Train" is one of the most abominable pieces of songwriting ever to crawl out of a speaker. The lyric is jaw-droppingly poor, the production bland, the vocals nauseating... Doesn't help that I had to play both of these hunks of shite in a function band week in week out at one point!
Just don't get me started on "What's Going On"... | |
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TonyVanDam said: peterfalconer said: Horrible song, yes. Having two music legends sitting in the studio together just doing what they please can turn out some great stuff, but too often just ends up a load of mutual cocksucking. And I'm not a fan of socially conscious songs anyway, I'm afraid. I want to hear something on the radio that makes me want to live another day - I don't want a lecture from Bono (multi-millionaire tax-dodging hypocrite) on how to spend the little money I have!
Jesus, I really am in a bad mood tonight. If anybody actually cared about what I was saying I'd be the most unpopular person on these boards! Most people rightly seem to ignore me - it's for the best; carry on, fellas! YEAH!!!! Exactly! DOUBLE- exactly! Sucky, sappy P.O.S. song. |
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peterfalconer said: "You don't think 'What's Going On' is mawkish? And with the usual 'everyone's entitled to their own opinion' disclaimer, "Love Train" is one of the most abominable pieces of songwriting ever to crawl out of a speaker. The lyric is jaw-droppingly poor, the production bland, the vocals nauseating..."
Yeah, it is getting to be your opinion and your personal taste. The words to "What's Going On" and "Love Train" are not going to make you trip over them while enjoying the music. Songs like "Ebony and Ivory" not only are created to be preachy, but are meant for you to pay attention to them in a beat-you-over-the-head fashion. As for "Love Train," you're the first person I've ever heard call that song "abominable." Some 30-plus years after the song is made (one of production legends Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff's best songs), the song is still one that gets people dancing -- I was at a wedding nearly two years ago and a live band performed it; everyone not only danced to it, but requested the band continue playing it for another 15 minutes! Let's face it -- not everyone gets inspired by crap like Lil' Flip's "It's Going Down." [Edited 3/11/07 18:21pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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TonyVanDam said: AlexdeParis said: What did I tell you in the other thread?! "Earth Song" and "Heal the World" are good songs! Now stop going on and on about that made-up "Lost Children" song. It. Doesn't. Exist. Then what the hell is the song doing on THIS album?:
We pray for our fathers, pray for our mothers Wishing our families well We sing songs for the wishing, of those who are kissing But not for the missing (CHORUS 1) So this one’s for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children, wishing them well And wishing them home When you sit there addressing, counting your blessings Biding your time When you lay me down sleeping and my heart is weeping Because I’m keeping a place (CHORUS 2) For all the lost children This is for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children, wishing them well And wishing them home Home with their fathers, Snug close and warm, loving their mothers I see the door simply wide open But no one can find thee (CHORUS 3) So pray for all the lost children Let’s pray for all the lost children Just think of all the lost children, wishing them well This is for all the lost children This one’s for all the lost children Just think of all the lost children Wishing them well, and wishing them home Hmmmmm never heard it.....so stop making stuff up! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Najee said: As for "Love Train," you're the first person I've ever heard call that song "abominable." Some 30-plus years after the song is made (one of production legends Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff's best songs), the song is still one that gets people dancing -- I was at a wedding nearly two years ago and a live band performed it; everyone not only danced to it, but requested the band continue playing it for another 15 minutes!
Ok, granted it gets people dancing, and Gamble & Huff are more sucessful songwriters than I'll ever be. It still brings me out in a rash, though!
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