based on the amount of airplay the NIN new song Survivalism is getting and when the song is released as a single on ITUNES which will sell like crazy because its a new track this could be in my opinion the worst top 10 song to ever hit the charts in the history of the Billboard hot 100 singles chart...the song is just 5 minutes of a noisy mess!

i like it

apprently you aren't following the other thread at all

you're a moron.

Ssh , you might alert the guys on the other NIN thread , they're having multiple-orgasms over the new tracks ( most of which , admittedly do sound like a car-crash ) . Oh and that whole ARG stuff is hilarious , even the x-files cybernerds must be laughing at how preposterous it all is

yall are stupid fucks
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I don't like it. But it's not really any better candidate for the "worst" top 10 single ever, than any other half-assed effort that's been there.

I didn't wanna piss all over everyone in the other NIN thread, but I will say that after hearing all of the new cuts from this CD, and remembering "With Teeth", I never need to hear another Nine Inch Nails song ever again. Trent's totally lost it.

This is coming from someone who was a huge fan from Pretty Hate Machine all the way through Things Falling Apart. I still love the stuff from '89 to '00, but his new music just annoys the shit out of me. Trent needs to grow up, learn to sing, and write a new song.

What happened to the guy that wrote "The Perfect Drug"? I honestly don't think he has it in him anymore. "There is fucking you, there is only me"? Please, you should be way past the teen angst bullshit. Learn to write lyrics like someone that's been in the music business for almost two decades. Honestly, his latest work has made me begin to think that he must've depended a lot on Flood and Bob Ezrin, because Trent's albums just seems like Xeroxes of his former glories.

Anyway, from someone that used to collect all of the Halos, I won't be buying the new CD. Period.

yeah but I totally dig "All the love in the world" and "Right where it belongs"



shit.. I think with teeth is fucking fabulous!


i actually like just about everything trents ever touched.. except that disk two of fragile.. it went all downhill after the 4th cut

Haven't you ever heard of Ricky Martin?

fuck this Trent Reznor bitch trying to steal Ricky Martin's crown for worst top 10 singles ever.

CinisterCee said:

Word.

CinisterCee said:

and with that, i'm going to listen to some more lovely fucking noise.

Axchi696 said:

this is how i've felt about nin for years. it was all cool when i was 17 and thought the world revolved around me and all my "pain." trent is older than me and i'm 30. he should have grown up by now. personally, i think the reason the new stuff isn't as good as the old stuff is because its faked now. he can't possibly still feel like this...and it shows in the work.

he was that angry, misunderstood guy that made pretty hate machine, broken, and downward spiral. he's not that guy anymore, he's a grown ass adult. artistically, he needs to move on also.

But this isn't a CD of Trent bitching and moaning about HIS problems and how other people exacerbate those problems like on all his other albums; this is a concept album about war and the world's current ills, which may not stray from Trent's love affair with negativity, but is still a TREMENDOUS step up from his usual, more personal (and whiny) lyrical fare. Plus, "I got my fist, I got my plan, I got survivalism!"... ".. on hands!.. we crawl!.. you cannot stop us all!..."... "all the black is really white, in this twilight...".. doesn't exactly sound like teen angst to me.

Hell, even on The Fragile, there are several cuts that feature Trent singing with OPTIMISM and a longing to escape from his darkness (the album ends like that, as a matter of fact). So, with the exception of With Teeth (where he was probably just crappin' one out for the kids after many looong delays), I think Trent HAS been maturing through the years with his work.

squiddyren said:

Sorry, but I still think a lot of the lyrics on this CD come off like they were written by an 19 year old frustrated by the state of the world. And Trent's voice, which never annoyed me until With Teeth, has now become one of the worst in the biz. I don't know if it's because he was pitch corrected on previous material, or if now he uses a different vocal filter, but I can't listen to him sing. It's been like this since he did "Metal" on Things Falling Apart.

squiddyren said:

I can give him that.

It's hard to change the theme once you've made your name with aggressive themes in the first place. Usually "maturing up" the subject matter only results in quite boring music. No matter how intellectualized or poetic the new approach might be.

And aggression doesn't imply young age. Let's not forget that all the people starting up wars in the world are already in their 50s and 60s. It's a trait amongst men that never really dissipates - in fact, in most cases the "maturing" of the subject matter is usually a pretty fake, expected move by the artist. They could be wife-beating psychos in real life, just as long as the audience gets its morally righteous narrative of their favourite artist finding peace within himself and becoming all existential.

Nine Inch Nails making the Top Ten....It's 1994?

I like this track, actually. And I'm not a big fan. I feel like he's been listening to some TV on the Radio.

But I'll eat my hat (if i wore one) if this makes the top ten.

Ben's not gonna like this hatin' on Trent.

SleezyG said:

Axchi696 said:

Trent Reznor himself hates With Teeth too. So far Year Zero sounds nothing like it.

Trent hasn't written about teen angst since The Downward Spiral. The Fragile covers drug addiction and alcoholism. With Teeth covers feeling good again. Year Zero covers a dystopian future should Bush's government remain in power. For you to say that and then say why can't he do another Perfect Drug is fucking idiotic - the Perfect Drug is the teen angst you just criticised.

Do you think perhaps you've grown out of Trent, rather than Trent has got worse? I see a natural development in his music as he's mellowed out his problems with age. Whether or not you think TDS beats TF is a different matter, but how you can deny that there is absolutely zero artistic talent involved is beyond me. I hear masses more than Prince's current appalling output.

sallysassalot said:

Have you listened carefully to his last 6-7 years' worth of output? You're stereotyping his material beyond belief. The Fragile does not deal with depression, but the traps of drug abuse. He has grown up - and he says that all the time. Year Zero is a political album in the vein of RATM. It is not fucking angst and depression. It hasn't been angst and depression since 1997.

Axchi696 said:

Ok, now you're just starting to sound like an idiot.
As someone who also is learning to sing, my singing teacher (who is a member of the British Opera Association) remarked on how much more in-tune Trent's voice has become. Whereas in PHM, Broken and TDS it was screaming and a lot of voice throwing, TF and With Teeth is actual singing. Both types are good imho, but I seriously question your ability as someone capable of understanding talent for you to so ignorantly say something such as that. Trent's ability to hit a note dead-on is fantastic.

live4lust said:

Damn right.