I'm glad you posted this because this is the point I have been repeating over and over and over and over. Talking in rhymes with no actual music behind it, is nothing more than poetry and should take place in one of those smokey ass nightclubs with people wearing black turtlenecks, shades, and maybe slowly beating on a drum.

Why the hell is it on records, played all over the radio, and played on dancefloors? These places are for MUSIC. That boring ass shit needs to stay confined to the boring places it belongs because it is keeping entertaining stuff that is actually dancefloor material off the damn dancefloors and radio.

It's all about music. Fuck some lyrics. I've never given a damn about lyrics anyway. I wouldn't care if someone recited the damn ABCs if the music was good behind it. People's priorities are fucked up when it comes to "music" these days is all I'm saying. If it's all about what's being said that's important and music means nothing, then it needs to keep it's ass where things like that belong because real music is not being made because of the bullshit.
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How is it not rap or hip hop? They are rapping, they aren't singing. All these terms like "electro" or "Miami Bass" didn't come until later. In the beginning it was strictly "rap" or "hip hop" and all of it fell under the same category.

These other terms didn't come along until everything slowed down. They had to start categorizing it so people couldn't compare them to people that could rap fast at tongue twisting speeds or even create rap songs with original music from the ground up. If they kept it all in the same category, people would start comparing the shit hop (nothing but a slow weak beat and talking) to these other kinds of rap and people would be able to see that shit hop ain't shit.

Only after Shitney Houston came on the scene and ruined things. There are several types of R&B and funk and disco both fall under the category, which are fast uptempo music forms. And rap and hip hop came out in the disco era which is very uptempo.

vainandy said:

If you listened to more hip hop, you would know it comes in all tempos. You come across as someone who only likes really really fast music

vainandy said:

...I do agree, the CURRENT state of rap is horrid, but us true hip hop heads know that there is a difference between "Rap" and "Hip Hop".

Here are 4 easy ways to tell the difference between Rap and Hip Hop:

1 - No one in Hip Hop has the word "Lil" in front of their name

2 - No one in Hip Hop gets true radio spin, so if you hear it a lot on the radio then it's probably RAP

3 - Hip Hop speaks more on the socio-political tip than the Blingo-Crystalio tip

4 - Hip Hop doesn't exist in the following states: Atlanta, Texas, Virginia,
Florida - But RAP does!

CosmicTalk said:

HEY! I'm from Virginia!

bboy87 said:

Then you know EXACTLY what I mean!

CosmicTalk said:

There's hip hop in VA, but in Texas, that's a different story

Janfriend said:

Unless you're talking about classical music byt a symphony or wind ensemble, your definition of music is a litle off. Lyric, are equal to, if not more important than, the sound behind it. Most of the popular music that is considered classic have meaningful lyrics that move us.

Perfect example: Beyonce. Her music is shit because her lyrics are the most horrible and wretched out there. Her latest album sounds good musicall. I like the arrangements, but her shitty lyrics fuck it up. Mindless fluff

Janfriend said:

qvgangsta18 said:


vainandy doesn't know anything about rap music and her and tony van dam should never speak about rap music

This coming from someone who doesn't even know what gender people's names are? I've got rap and hip hop 12 Inches older than you....(the big black CDs with one song on them).
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thedribbler said:

I guess Ice T didn't get that memo back in 1984 on "Reckless"....."the turntable wizard of the hip hop scene". Or the movie "Beat Street" with the word spray painted all over the subway trains. Or even earlier when Millie Jackson made a rap song and was talking about..."an old bitch like me doing this hippitty dippitty shit". Also, if I am correct, the very first line of "Rapper's Delight" (one of the very first rap records) was...."I said a hip...hop....a hip hip hop" Not to mention Blondie (who wasn't even a rapper) using the word during rap part of her song "Rapture".

All the magazines such as "Right On" were also using the words "rap and hip hop" when referring to folks such as Run DMC or Whodini.

The word "hip hop" has been around forever.
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I remember people saying the samething about Bruce Lee. he was supposed to return in 1983

Who say that documentary

vainandy said:

Every song is slowed down? What list of songs do you have proving this? There are songs of all tempos in hip hop, just like any other genre. Your making over-generalized statements

Only after Shitney Houston came on the scene and ruined things. There are several types of R&B and funk and disco both fall under the category, which are fast uptempo music forms. And rap and hip hop came out in the disco era which is very uptempo.

Janfriend said:

dseann said:

She's the killer of funk. She came out the gate from day one as a soft, crossover, adult contemporary type artist and was a huge success at it. She was such a huge success that others followed her lead in making dull "parent friendly" type R&B until funk became absolutely extinct. By the time the 1990s arrived, R&B had become so slowed down, dull, and parent friendly that there was no rebellion left in R&B anymore. Shit hop was right there to fill the rebellion void left in R&B after funk's death.

She should have never been played on R&B radio in the first place. She should have been played strictly on adult contemporary radio alongside other boring artists like Barbara Streisand and Neil Diamond. There, she could have done no damage.

If you weren't around in the beginning, then how do you know? I was around, heard the records, saw the movies, and read the magazine articles.

vainandy said:

If you listened to more hip hop, you would know it comes in all tempos. You come across as someone who only likes really really fast music

Janfriend said:

exactly, and the sad part is how can u claim to ever like rap music, then say u don't like listening to the lyrics

vainandy doesn't know anything about rap music and her and tony van dam should never speak about rap music
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vainandy said:

Who is "tony van dam"?

Hip hop is unquestionably the dullest form of music.

Tony is a cool ass orger with lots of different taste. I think he gets on some of these shit hop lovers' nerves because, like myself, he acknowledges the uptempo artists who made original music like Egyptian Lover when talking about rap and hip hop. That seems to ruffle feathers because a lot of shit hop lovers like to label them as "electro" (a term that didn't come about until later) so that the no talent artists of the 1990s and today can't be compared to them.

Artists like Egyptian Lover, Newcleus, Pretty Tony, and Freestyle are excellent arguements when putting down current shit hop artists and the lovers of the current artists can't stand it because they don't want to face up to the fact that current hip hop is actually "shit hop" and it's not a matter of people getting older, the music actually is bullshit.

Tony likes some of the stuff they like from the 1990s also but he does understand my point I try to get across about people stripping everything off the damn records and never getting past midtempo (which not only takes less talent but also makes the songs dull as hell).
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vainandy said:

It wasn't around in the very beginning. Even in Rapper's Delight, he says Now what you hear is not a test. I'm rapping to the beat Those few songs you mention don't change the fact it was all called rap music. The term hip hop was not that common until much later

Janfriend said:

I don't think a list needs to be provided here. If you haven't noticed this trend you are either real young or in an extreme state of denial.

Rap music(Hip Hop since the 90's) has taken a turn for the worse. There are very few lyricists in the game today, and as far as I'm concerned the tracks have regressed steadily since the late 90's. The accompanying "music" to this genre sounds like it was produced in a grade 1 music class in the public school system.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the music studios are cutting costs on production, and it is evident in the quality of tracks(or the lack thereof) in modern day rap music or as Vainandy terms it "SHIT HOP".

vainandy said:

Please explain how Whitney ruined R&B?

I agree with most of your posts in this thread and others as we have similar tastes in music but, love or hate her for the "shit" she has done in her personal life, Whitney is the best female vocalist I have ever experienced and it pains me every time you refer to her as shitney. What do you have against her?