CosmicTalk said:

If one is the big mouth/aggressive type, there's nothin' 2 it.
Prince actually did rap 2 some credible degree on his D & P albun in the song "push"
I think his buddy Tony M, or whatever he called hmself, did mess up a few good tracks like "live 4 love".
It's a good thing that HH is on it's way out.
The black eyed peas r pretty ridiculous.

thedribbler said:

Do me a favor: Click page 2 and then go and see my REPLY #40 post.

CosmicTalk said:

That's like me saying, about Rock music "If one knows how to scream, there's nothin' 2 it"

Janfriend said:

There's more to rock music than just screaming, come on now.....
Now screaming and wearing spandex.....that's the key....

Janfriend said:

Exactly!

I love Tupac! Have since his days with Digital Underground. As much as I'd love for him to be alive...I do believe he's gone and he is not coming back!

There are many that judge him based on what they heard, saw, and read from the media. That's the easy way out! To really know of him, one only has to really listen to his words. Not the ones on his records! His candid words when he discussed his love for his people and our plight of living in a country hell bent on keeping us from excelling! His was a voice that could easily make his people respond. That was the real Tupac Amaru Shakur and that dear Org is the real reason he was silenced!

Always keeping my head up! Thanks Pac, rest in eternal peace!

Thedribbler's comment is absolutely true and hit the nail dead on the head. Except he was wrong about one thing.....it's not hip hop any more, it's shit hop.

What skills? Anybody with a mouth can "talk" some words with a rhyme. Even singers like Teena Marie and Stacy Lattisaw did back in the day. Of course, it was just a hip section of their song because they had the actual talent to sing the rest of it.

Rappers back in the day may have had some talent but since they 1990s, they have slowed the tempo of the music down to the pace that even Lawrence Welk could recite those rhymes. And they can't play no instruments. Even when they sample, they still have to slow down the tempo of "Between The Sheets" (which was already slow) so their no talent asses could talk over it. I guess they would get tongue tied if they played "Between The Sheets" at full speed.
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vainandy said:

Wow!!! Vainandy 4 president!.

He's agreein' with me!
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vainandy said:

It's truly wrong simply because you have to be musically inclined to be able to arrange a song, no matter what "instruments" you use.

vainandy said:

And that's what you think rapping is ONLY about? Talking and rhyming? Wow, you and Dribbler need to come out with your own album and prove is all wrong then!

If we were mortal enemies like cats and dogs, all you would have to do is say something bad about shit hop and we would be eating out of the same dish together.

Well it sure as hell ain't about music. That's for damn sure. What else is on the songs except for the "talking".



I'm sure I would never get a record deal even if I wanted to "talk" out some songs because I would insist that they spend more money and get some musicians to put some funk behind my "talking". I have pride and would never allow no weak ass casio keyboard drum beats behind anything associated with my name. They would never go for that because real music might catch on and then they would have to spend more money on all their artists.

Also, if music caught on again, there would be a lot of folks going back to the gutter. Crime would go up also because those damn criminals can't do anything else. No, they definately wouldn't give me a record deal.

I see I must also direct you to: Page 2, REPLY #40 .

vainandy said:

Have you ever heard spoken word/poetry? That's where it comes from. Watch Def Poetry Jam and tell me again how easy that is

The music behind it is of no importance. What's being said and how is really waht's important. I heard people talk through a song and it sounds like shit. It is not rapping. There's some wack ass English group called The Streets that has no idea what rap

I have no idea what this shit hop is you keep talking about. Whatever it is, it is NOT across the board. Maybe you should listen to some underground artists, like Jurassic 5, Ankore, Dead Prez... I even consider Talib Kweli somewhat of an underground artist

vainandy said:

Every song is slowed down? What list of songs do you have proving this? There are songs of all tempos in hip hop, just like any other genre. Your making over-generalized statements

CosmicTalk said:

Be careful what you wish for, it might just blow up in your face

shellyevon said:

If Vain & Dribbs drop a rap CD, I will be the first in line to buy it!

Janfriend said:

I hear where you are trying to come from but unfortunately for your argument, there are very few poets left in the hip hop industry. Nas, Common, The Roots and Twister when he wants to be. The rest are just talkers. There is no poetry about the size of ones rims and karats in their jewelery. That's the shit hop Vaindaddy is talking about.

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Janfriend said:

I'm glad you posted this because this is the point I have been repeating over and over and over and over. Talking in rhymes with no actual music behind it, is nothing more than poetry and should take place in one of those smokey ass nightclubs with people wearing black turtlenecks, shades, and maybe slowly beating on a drum.

Why the hell is it on records, played all over the radio, and played on dancefloors? These places are for MUSIC. That boring ass shit needs to stay confined to the boring places it belongs because it is keeping entertaining stuff that is actually dancefloor material off the damn dancefloors and radio.

It's all about music. Fuck some lyrics. I've never given a damn about lyrics anyway. I wouldn't care if someone recited the damn ABCs if the music was good behind it. People's priorities are fucked up when it comes to "music" these days is all I'm saying. If it's all about what's being said that's important and music means nothing, then it needs to keep it's ass where things like that belong because real music is not being made because of the bullshit.
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If there are different tempos, they sure as hell aren't being played on the radio or on TV. All I ever hear is slow or midtempo. No, I can't name you a list of songs because I am very proud to say that I turn the station every time one comes on because I absolutely despise it. However, there is no escaping the bullshit because it is so widespread.

The last time I heard a fast rap or hip hop song that wasn't underground was the Quad City DJs "Come On Ride The Train". Of course, later that same year I took all current radio stations off my dial because it is depressing as hell to listen to 6 hours of midtempo shit to hear ONE fast song.

CosmicTalk said:

and talent. he was a pretty decent actor.

Have you ever heard the old Christmas song from the 1970s that has dogs barking to the tune of "Jingle Bells". I'm going to get together with the people that made that song and get them on my album. They are certainly more talented than anyone these days. Hmmmmm.....I wonder where I could find them.

vainandy said:

...I do agree, the CURRENT state of rap is horrid, but us true hip hop heads know that there is a difference between "Rap" and "Hip Hop".

Here are 4 easy ways to tell the difference between Rap and Hip Hop:

1 - No one in Hip Hop has the word "Lil" in front of their name

2 - No one in Hip Hop gets true radio spin, so if you hear it a lot on the radio then it's probably RAP

3 - Hip Hop speaks more on the socio-political tip than the Blingo-Crystalio tip

4 - Hip Hop doesn't exist in the following states: Atlanta, Texas, Virginia,
Florida - But RAP does!

cborgman said:

True that.

CosmicTalk said:

Only complete morons can't act.
Vainandy's right the mainsteam radio stations have become pretty obnoxious for a good few years now.
But whatever, I'm hoping there's less money in it now for the pushers.
HH can't survive without hot air.
It's goin'out, and the music scene is changin' again.

I truly wish the music scene was changing again but I honestly don't see it happening any time soon. True, shit hop sales are down but I think it's because of people not buying as much music from the record stores as they used to. Nowadays, people are downloading from the internet, or copying CDs for their friends.....but it's still shit hop they are copying for their friends. I know I tell my two sisters not to buy their kids a CD that their cousins already have. I tell them to bring the CD to me so I can burn them a copy of it. Every little bit of money out of the hands of shit hop artists helps in killing off the genre.

I know it's unrealistic thinking and dreaming, but I wish I could single handedly do to shit hop what Shitney Houston did to funk.
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vainandy said:

Quad city dj's isn't hip hop, it's Miami Bass/Quad music. You're talking about fast-assed dance music. Hip hop developed out of r&b, which is mostly slow and midtempo anyway. There are plenty of hip hop songs played in the club I can't keep up with on the dancefloor

How is it not rap or hip hop? They are rapping, they aren't singing. All these terms like "electro" or "Miami Bass" didn't come until later. In the beginning it was strictly "rap" or "hip hop" and all of it fell under the same category.

These other terms didn't come along until everything slowed down. They had to start categorizing it so people couldn't compare them to people that could rap fast at tongue twisting speeds or even create rap songs with original music from the ground up. If they kept it all in the same category, people would start comparing the shit hop (nothing but a slow weak beat and talking) to these other kinds of rap and people would be able to see that shit hop ain't shit.

Only after Shitney Houston came on the scene and ruined things. There are several types of R&B and funk and disco both fall under the category, which are fast uptempo music forms. And rap and hip hop came out in the disco era which is very uptempo.