I'm glad to know that Clorox is such a specific symbol.


The garbage I am reading in this thread is NOT flying under the radar.

CinisterCee said:

It's a symbol for an evidently very confused man.

dag I'm also a fan but it's okay for fans to admit that he has issues and speculate, cause he did after all say those things in the bashir documentary, which till this day pisses me off. I wish he had just focused on music instead of all that nonsense

RipHer2Shreds said:

co -

Najee said:

Lol. I think you are the very confused man. Going around claiming all types of mental problems you think Michael Jackson has. Talking about his colour complex. Acting like some sort of therapist. Michael's not confused dude. The fools you spend their lives trying to tear down Michael Jackson, are the confused and the mentally disturbed ones.

RipHer2Shreds said:

but not before the images of MJ's children are removed.

DarlingDiana said:

Michael's not confused?? Look at his damn face!! Jeesh!!
[Edited 2/4/07 19:19pm]

by the way, the scientific term for 'color complex' is 'internalized racism' which results in racial inferiority and putting oneself through rituals to fit in with the status quo

I can't believe Michael is such a pathological liar.

He's lied about a bunch of stuff and has probably lied in court. That's the thing that makes me dislike him most and I used to be such a fan.

SynthiaRose said:

What's he ever lied about?

lied in court? last time I checked he didn't take the stand...

ok this is getting rediculous, someone seriously needs to lock this up cause nothing new is being said and its just one side versus the other...

i seriously think, Jackson being discussed at the Org should seriously banned...
cause its just the same thing over and over again
im ok with slandering known celebs anonymously,

but this is just horribly repetitive

yes Jackson has issues
yes he hates himself, and the way he looks
yes hes a manchild looking for attention
yes he never had a childhood
yes he was abused
yee his children are not biologically his
yes hes an alleged childmolester...
hes a liar, a fallen star

who cares anymore really...

its like criticizing a frankenstein monster
that we created, and yes i mean we
Fans and haters alike...
We created him
so we could be equally be held responsible for stupid shit he does
thats why it hurts so bad when you see him do stupid crap
like molest children, or charge absurd amounts of money to meet him
cause deep down we care,
and it hurts to see something we once admired to fall so hard
to see the frankenstein we created to be taken down by the villagers

so with that dlllusional rant...
fuck him, don't want to see him as a martyr or some pariah
cause either way, he'll be to blame for his life
im done casting judgement on it and criticizing its not my place
Michael Jackson is a waste of words...

im movin on
peace

EmbattledWarrior said:

What gives you the right to pass such things off as facts?
What issues does he have?
What evidence is there to suggest he hates himself? He admitted he once hated his appearance, but as of now, as far as we know, he is happy with his appearance.
It has never been proven that his children are not biologically his.
What lies has he ever told? All he's done is said things that people don't want to believe, so they consider them lies.
A fallen star? Well, we'll see.

DarlingDiana said:

I can't wait to hear his new album, I don't know how reception will turn out but it would be nice to see him kick ass the way he did when history came out. Everyone was licking his nuts when he did that scream video

alphastreet said:

It'll be awesome to see him back on top. He's been down for so long. I think MJ needs to keep everybody busy with music, videos and concerts so they don't have time to bitch and whine about him. If he can do this, maybe all the hate will stop and he'll get the respect he deserves.
[Edited 2/4/07 22:56pm]

DarlingDiana said:

exactly. As long as he was doing musical stuff people were shutting up.

what an absolute farce!

DarlingDiana said:

His happy with his distorted appearance I don't think so. MJ was obviously not happy with his original appearance, but the amount of times he spends covering his face with his hands or masks nowadays, illustrates to me that he STILL is not happy with his appearance.

According to Teddy Riley during the Dangerous era he confess to going too far with the surgery and that he wished he had left himself the way he was during the OTW/Truimph era, I really have no reason to disbelieve Teddy Riley.
[Edited 2/5/07 4:46am]

jayaredee said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

These are the things that make me sad the most to read. Yes, these discussions are very tiring.
As much as he allegedly hates himself, I can´t help admiring his strength.
As much as I don´t like him holding the party for such ridiculous money, I don´t see him as a fallen star. Cause artistically, if one album makes him a fallen star, than there is nothing but fallen stars.
Having that "child molester" label on someone who is obviously innocent hurts a lot as well.
Watching that unbelievable worshipping turning into such hate is not a nice thing either, and I guess it does not have a lot to do with MJ personally. Yes he did screw up many times, but others did too and noone else recieves such hate as he does.
And his lies also unbelievably contradict to that total rare sincerity which in the end hurts him as well.

dag said:

The problem with Michael is that he never learns, he never knows where and when to stop. He goes on to do more and more things that just keep on reinforcing what people think of him. People notice he had done surgery from Thriller, although it was not that extreme, but instead of stopping the surgery right there, he goes on and on to reinforce that he has some deep self hate going on. Those children just reinforces that belief, I mean if he can't even stand to have his own children, whether biologically or otherwise to even look a little black, that just reinforces his own self-hatred. I mean at times I really do believe that Michael is trying to turn his world into a kind of cartoon, where you can do anything and nothing really matters, when it really obviously does.
[Edited 2/5/07 8:31am]

whatsgoingon said:

Thank you for telling it like it is. These MJ fanatics will excuse anything.

I really don't see the point in why people waste time discussing/judging other peoples lives. The day I hear Michael Jackson getting on some messageboard talking about my face, my skin color, or any of my business is the day I'll start discussing celebrities lives. Point being it doesn't matter what you say. You still gotta pay your own bills and they are most likely laughing all the way to the bank while you talk about their nose jobs (that they pay for with your money.) So honestly, who gets the last laugh? Celebrities are celebrities for a reason. They LOVE attention. Any attention is good attention. So haters and straight up nosey people alike, if you really really think Michael Jackson's life (or any celeb for that matter) effects you in someway you got bigger things to worry about. Criticize a musician, actor, entertainer, or artist on their job performance...because afterall, we're the ones that pay them their salary. But their personal life? Naaah.

whatsgoingon said:

I agree.It's almost as if he purposely sets out to destroy himself and his career.Did he really think that he could do all these crazy things,and people wouldn't wonder/talk/speculate about it?

Nataly01 said:

that's the price of fame,though.When you become a celebrity,people are always gonna wonder about your personal life.You can't have it both ways.MJ wanted all this attention and he got it.If he had handled his personal life better,perhaps he wouldn't be receiving all of this negative attention.

Wow, what a sad, delusional bunch. (And I don't mean the Jacksons.)

Sure, this is supposed to be a thread about pictures, but we could be talking about anything, and MJ will somehow be brought up and dehumanized in the process. Seriously, it's like OCD with some of you.
[Edited 2/6/07 8:34am]

SefraNSue said:

Well, what did you expect. Apart from his career nothing in MJ personal life is straight forward. Name me one thing about MJ that you can be sure is 100% true, not his looks(although some people believe that he really has vitiligo), not his marriages; they either come across as PR stunts or to legalize getting children and not even his children. I think that is so sad. Quite frankly I believe he would have been better off not having children, not because a believe he will harm his own children, but because they will be open to speculation upon speculation. If he just did something in a straight forward way instead of everything being clouded and ambigious then probably he wouldn't encounter half of the speculation and gossip he does.

SoulAlive said:

This is true, what I meant is that talking about someone's life on a messageboard isn't really a productive thing. It's the price of fame, sure, but what do we get out of it? Is it really that self-gratifying?

whatsgoingon said:

I wouldn´t worry about that. I believe he´s honest with his kids in a way he´ll never be honest with the public. If they will be as strong as their father is, they´ll be fine.

BTW that´s a good point Nataly01.