Najee said:

actually, ive called shakira a yodeling goat many o times here. *and* i clock madonna too when appropriate...just ask davideye or anyone else for that matter...

folks *want* to make this is an issue of race...and let me borrow a line from anxiety; that says more about the person making the accusation far more then it says about me.

Moonbeam said:

No, the reality is you have a bias against Beyonce and for Madonna. The bias is so obvious that you flat-out contradict yourself, because there is nothing "slutty" about Beyonce's image or music -- and certainly not compared to what Madonna of all people has done.

Beyonce's musical songs have no bearing on the discussion of her physical appearance -- however, you want to make that association with Beyonce and not with Madonna, a person who has made songs dealing with everything from raunchy sexuality ("Erotica") to religious iconography ("Like a Prayer").

The fact is you have no idea what you're trying to define other than some emotional, knee-jerk outburst. You're simply displaying your unfounded and contradictory bias and don't even realize it.

sosgemini said:

But did you call those girls sluts?
[Edited 2/1/07 22:10pm]

murph said:

did i call beyonce a slut? read my initial statement...wait, better yet, quote it in your next post. once again, your reading into my post your own biases...please reread my post.

Najee said:

But if I may speak up for Moonbeam...it was never said in his post that Beyonce was a slut...He just said he didn't like her state of mind...Totally different...

sosgemini said:

Prejudices don't have to be defined by race solely -- it can be generational, music genre-related, etc. The point is this "Beyonce is a slut" comment is unfounded and shows you have some bias against her, because what she does as a recording artist is no more or less than what most recording artists in popular music have done or are doing.
[Edited 2/1/07 23:33pm]

murph said:

My apologies for misinterpreting you.

As for the whole "slut" thing, I don't think anybody who questioned her merits on that count is claiming that there aren't others who are worse.

sosgemini said:

YOU: Of course she is...she perpetuates the image of a slut.

Now, I don't know what line of reasoning you are using, but that sounds like you are calling the girl a slut...Or maybe you are doing some form of legal speak...lol

Moonbeam said:

It's all good...you cool people...As always...

Najee said:

When did I ever call Beyonce a slut? I must have missed it!

In any case, you are right in that I have a bias against Beyonce and for Madonna. I dislike one and not the other. What does that have to do with anything?

murph said:

No, Moonbeam didn't say Beyonce was "slutty" -- I wasn't trying to attribute it to him, but to the people who said it. However, his logic is equally contradictory and unreasonably biased.

Najee said:

Homerun....

murph said:

Najee said:

But I can deal with my folks' Moonbeam's logic more than others...That's for sure..

Moonbeam said:

It has nothing to do with Beyonce's physical appearance, though you keep tying her music to her physical appearance and keep using some rather shoddy logic to suit your argument.

Najee said:

All I did was point out examples in her lyrics that lead me to believe that she would not be the girl for me. Moreover, I never said I would want to date Madonna, either.

murph said:

i think my statement is a pretty clear...she is perpetuates an image because it sells albums...and for her that is an image of a slut. period. janet has been on that same broken record...and madonna too...and i've made comments about my disappointment over each of them...although madonna has gotten away from that image for a the past few years.

those folks getting "bent" never seem to crop up with all the madonna bashing threads...or the janet threads for that matter. i have never made the statement about bouncy before because it wasn't relevant to the topic of the thread...but this one it did...this is about whom men find attractive...and in my book, the reason men found beyonce to be their fantasy girlfriend is because she perpetuates the image of a slut...like many other woman in show business before her...nothing more / nothing less.

Moonbeam said:

Fucking LOL!!!!

Najee said:

yeah...one who perpetuates a slutty image in order to sell records. so whats the dealio? but i never said beyonce was a slut...i said she perpetuates an image...i fully understand she is doing it for a reason. its others (including yourself) who are misquoting me.

Najee said:

I am not tying her music to her physical appearance! I'm tying her music (more specifically, her lyrics) to her compatibility as a girlfriend.

sosgemini said:

Here is your post: "...she perpetuates the image of a slut."

Again, I'm failing to see what Beyonce does that is considered raunchy compared to her peers. Her music is hardly considered a "slutty" image, and certainly not her appearance or public appearances. In fact, a lot of what Beyonce does is comparatively tame compared to some acts. IMO, your comments are unfounded and suggest a bias against Beyonce.

sosgemini said:

But you have no idea what you are talking about...Beyonce, is not even in that "slut" lane...In fact, she's a lot more conservative than a lot of girls singing today...She doesn't moan on record like Janet (even during the Control era..); She's not going crazy like Britney; she's not even in the same provacative lane as Christina X..

The most crazy thing the girl does is the Booty dance...And that shit is nothing but a club dance...Again, you are not showing any proof of Beyonce perpetuating the image of the slut...It's a left field statement...And let me make it clear again...I don't mind folks shitting on the child for her art and for the "you must love me" attitude....Hell, I do it...But calling the child a slut is more than questionable...In fact, it's disturbing...
[Edited 2/1/07 22:27pm]

sosgemini said:

Then you need to give us what is YOUR idea of "slutty," because if shaking your moneymaker is "slutty" then virtually EVERY recording artist is "slutty."
[Edited 2/1/07 23:35pm]

Najee said:

the first image found via google...shall i continue?

murph said:

yet again...i never called her a slut.

Moonbeam said:

And it's still a riduclous comparison, because the article is judging Beyonce on her physical appearance. Not only that, what musical lyrics an artist sings in a song do not necessarily equate with some insight on what kind of person Beyonce would be on a date.
[Edited 2/1/07 23:36pm]

sosgemini said:

But that's the same shit Tina Turner used to wear???

Just admit you are reaching on this one...You don't like the chick...That's fine...i don't like Nickleback...but you don't see me calling them unfounded names...I'll just stick to saying that their music sucks...lol

sosgemini said:

If you say that she perpetuates the image of a slut, what does that mean? I know what it means...

sosgemini said:

Then I suggest you join a convent, because just about any entertainer not named Sinead O'Connor has those kind of shots.

I can't believe a moderator on Web site dedicated to PRINCE is being squeamish about a standard shot of an entertainer in concert.
[Edited 2/1/07 22:46pm]

Najee said:

Again, the original article states this:

The 25-year-old singer-actress tops the website's list ranking the "most alluring" female celebrities as determined by its readers and staff. Voters were asked to consider qualities beyond sex appeal and beauty, such as "intelligence, humour, charisma and ambition," according to the site.