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Reply #30 posted 01/16/07 5:36pm

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As others have said , their first 2 albums were very very good , which caused the Gallaghers to beleive they were the greatest thing since sliced bread , since then theyve made 3 or 4 really below par albums , sadly their egos are still stuck in the mid - 90s when they were it as far as the UK public were concerned .Early Oasis arent over-rated ( as a yardstick ,they re-released "Acquiesce" ,an early b-side , recently and to my mind its a better song than everything thats been on their 3rd album and later ) but judged on their back catalogue as a whole , theyre seriously underwhelming .
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Reply #31 posted 01/17/07 12:50am

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moonshine said:

As others have said , their first 2 albums were very very good , which caused the Gallaghers to beleive they were the greatest thing since sliced bread , since then theyve made 3 or 4 really below par albums , sadly their egos are still stuck in the mid - 90s when they were it as far as the UK public were concerned .Early Oasis arent over-rated ( as a yardstick ,they re-released "Acquiesce" ,an early b-side , recently and to my mind its a better song than everything thats been on their 3rd album and later ) but judged on their back catalogue as a whole , theyre seriously underwhelming .
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You could see the complacency setting in as soon as they'd played Knebworth. Straight afterwards they set off on a US tour, playing to audience a fraction of the size. They couldn't get their thick heads around the fact that they weren't universally loved there. They pulled the tour half-way through - after Liam had missed the first few dates because he was househunting in London (i.e: couldn't be bothered) - too much work, breaking new ground, and too much to take, the US not succumbing to Oasis mania. The US never got Robbie Williams either. Thank God.
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Reply #32 posted 01/17/07 6:16pm

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Cloudbuster said:

Three good albums, three not-very-good-at-all albums.

Overrated? To some, to others not. Matter of opinion, of course. smile



I agree, but I only say the first 2. "be here now" is rubbish mostly. Even noel said so. Thats one of the things I like about noel, is his honestly

"the importance of being idle" is a cool song though.


I cant see yanks liking them in general, just like UK doesn't like country music and that will never hit big over here. Oasis are quite English eccentric in style I reckon.
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Reply #33 posted 01/17/07 6:43pm

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I cant see yanks liking them in general, just like UK doesn't like country music and that will never hit big over here. Oasis are quite English eccentric in style I reckon.


eh? Mark E Smith, Julian Cope, Robert Wyatt are proper English eccentrics. Oasis are really just fairly dim-witted musical kleptomaniacs.
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Reply #34 posted 01/17/07 6:50pm

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damosuzuki said:

thesexofit said:




I cant see yanks liking them in general, just like UK doesn't like country music and that will never hit big over here. Oasis are quite English eccentric in style I reckon.


eh? Mark E Smith, Julian Cope, Robert Wyatt are proper English eccentrics. Oasis are really just fairly dim-witted musical kleptomaniacs.


Well, i cant understand how "definately maybe" was not a huge hit in the US. Around that time (1994/5), US seemed to be listening to garbage like hootie and the blowfish and leftover grundge. I just dont get the US charts in this case. I know can see how much of a breath of fresh air, "definately maybe" was at the time. Yes, their music is not "clever" (though thier production is very polished bordering on over-produced), but rock often never is. Commercially, they shoulda been at least quite big for a while.

Shit, if US loved duran duran, level 42, dire straits (who I love), wang chung, then why not Oasis?



Maybe US record label did not promote them properly?
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Reply #35 posted 01/17/07 7:00pm

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damosuzuki said:



eh? Mark E Smith, Julian Cope, Robert Wyatt are proper English eccentrics. Oasis are really just fairly dim-witted musical kleptomaniacs.


Well, i cant understand how "definately maybe" was not a huge hit in the US. Around that time (1994/5), US seemed to be listening to garbage like hootie and the blowfish and leftover grundge. I just dont get the US charts in this case. I know can see how much of a breath of fresh air, "definately maybe" was at the time. Yes, their music is not "clever" (though thier production is very polished bordering on over-produced), but rock often never is. Commercially, they shoulda been at least quite big for a while.

Shit, if US loved duran duran, level 42, dire straits (who I love), wang chung, then why not Oasis?



Maybe US record label did not promote them properly?


Definitely Maybe did well enough over here - it didn't make the splash it did in the UK, but it did receive radio play, and it certainly did better business than the other British acts who couldn't get arrested in the States at the time (Blur, Pulp, Suede, etc).

And album #2 was quite a significant hit - again, not on the scale of their UK success, but it was a seller nonetheless. You couldn't escape Wonderwall that year ('96 was it?). I figure they just never consolidated their success - perhaps because they couldn't come up with a proper follow-up single, or (more likely) they preferred to enjoy their massive following on the other side of the pond rather than put the work into finishing the job in north america.
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Reply #37 posted 01/17/07 7:22pm

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damosuzuki said:

thesexofit said:



Well, i cant understand how "definately maybe" was not a huge hit in the US. Around that time (1994/5), US seemed to be listening to garbage like hootie and the blowfish and leftover grundge. I just dont get the US charts in this case. I know can see how much of a breath of fresh air, "definately maybe" was at the time. Yes, their music is not "clever" (though thier production is very polished bordering on over-produced), but rock often never is. Commercially, they shoulda been at least quite big for a while.

Shit, if US loved duran duran, level 42, dire straits (who I love), wang chung, then why not Oasis?



Maybe US record label did not promote them properly?


Definitely Maybe did well enough over here - it didn't make the splash it did in the UK, but it did receive radio play, and it certainly did better business than the other British acts who couldn't get arrested in the States at the time (Blur, Pulp, Suede, etc).

And album #2 was quite a significant hit - again, not on the scale of their UK success, but it was a seller nonetheless. You couldn't escape Wonderwall that year ('96 was it?). I figure they just never consolidated their success - perhaps because they couldn't come up with a proper follow-up single, or (more likely) they preferred to enjoy their massive following on the other side of the pond rather than put the work into finishing the job in north america.
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Oh, in that case, iam misunderstood about how well Oasis did do stateside. Oh god suade, i never liked them. Pulp were cool, who doesn't love "common people".That song was everywhere in the UK. Blur were good aswell.

Probably Noel and Liam etc.. were not too bothered about US sucsess. They were friggin' huge in the UK though. Noel in interviews is very cynical and honest about his work. I just think his interview style would not of gone down well on a US talk show and they woulda come across, commercially, as arrogent, which the US doesn't seem to like.

Anyway, iam sure noel thinks Oasis are crap now aswell LOL, and thats why I love noel.
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Reply #38 posted 01/18/07 1:52am

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thesexofit said:

damosuzuki said:



Definitely Maybe did well enough over here - it didn't make the splash it did in the UK, but it did receive radio play, and it certainly did better business than the other British acts who couldn't get arrested in the States at the time (Blur, Pulp, Suede, etc).

And album #2 was quite a significant hit - again, not on the scale of their UK success, but it was a seller nonetheless. You couldn't escape Wonderwall that year ('96 was it?). I figure they just never consolidated their success - perhaps because they couldn't come up with a proper follow-up single, or (more likely) they preferred to enjoy their massive following on the other side of the pond rather than put the work into finishing the job in north america.
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Oh, in that case, iam misunderstood about how well Oasis did do stateside. Oh god suade, i never liked them. Pulp were cool, who doesn't love "common people".That song was everywhere in the UK. Blur were good aswell.

Probably Noel and Liam etc.. were not too bothered about US sucsess. They were friggin' huge in the UK though. Noel in interviews is very cynical and honest about his work. I just think his interview style would not of gone down well on a US talk show and they woulda come across, commercially, as arrogent, which the US doesn't seem to like.

Anyway, iam sure noel thinks Oasis are crap now aswell LOL, and thats why I love noel.



Yeah, you've just got love Noel haven't you? Publically humiliating Michael Hutchence in front of a global tv audience of millions and then saying that he hoped Damon Albarn and Alex James of Blur would both "Catch AIDS" and die". Lovely chap. wink lol
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Reply #39 posted 01/18/07 2:44am

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thesexofit said:


Oh, in that case, iam misunderstood about how well Oasis did do stateside. Oh god suade, i never liked them. Pulp were cool, who doesn't love "common people".That song was everywhere in the UK. Blur were good aswell.

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they did pretty okay here back then. i think they had 3 singles (wonderwall,dont look back,and champangesupernova.) liam was a sight to see mtv u.s. loved to interview him cuz he was always drunk or high and had some shit to talk. lol
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Reply #40 posted 01/18/07 4:38am

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Shapeshifter said:

thesexofit said:



Oh, in that case, iam misunderstood about how well Oasis did do stateside. Oh god suade, i never liked them. Pulp were cool, who doesn't love "common people".That song was everywhere in the UK. Blur were good aswell.

Probably Noel and Liam etc.. were not too bothered about US sucsess. They were friggin' huge in the UK though. Noel in interviews is very cynical and honest about his work. I just think his interview style would not of gone down well on a US talk show and they woulda come across, commercially, as arrogent, which the US doesn't seem to like.

Anyway, iam sure noel thinks Oasis are crap now aswell LOL, and thats why I love noel.



Yeah, you've just got love Noel haven't you? Publically humiliating Michael Hutchence in front of a global tv audience of millions and then saying that he hoped Damon Albarn and Alex James of Blur would both "Catch AIDS" and die". Lovely chap. wink lol

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Reply #41 posted 01/18/07 3:19pm

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Shapeshifter said:

thesexofit said:



Oh, in that case, iam misunderstood about how well Oasis did do stateside. Oh god suade, i never liked them. Pulp were cool, who doesn't love "common people".That song was everywhere in the UK. Blur were good aswell.

Probably Noel and Liam etc.. were not too bothered about US sucsess. They were friggin' huge in the UK though. Noel in interviews is very cynical and honest about his work. I just think his interview style would not of gone down well on a US talk show and they woulda come across, commercially, as arrogent, which the US doesn't seem to like.

Anyway, iam sure noel thinks Oasis are crap now aswell LOL, and thats why I love noel.




Yeah, you've just got love Noel haven't you? Publically humiliating Michael Hutchence in front of a global tv audience of millions and then saying that he hoped Damon Albarn and Alex James of Blur would both "Catch AIDS" and die". Lovely chap. wink lol


I dont remember the Hutchence thing, but who else calls their own albums crap? Now thats the sort of honesty you dont get very often, and you certainly wouldn't get an American star saying that (maybe Robbie Williams mind you). Rick wakeman is the same about his zillion solo albums. Infact, when he reviews them, he even states he cant remember doing a few of them.

I liked when Noel said Phil Collins was the anti-christ. I love Phil collins, but he is the sort of bloke you meet in your pub.

I liked Blur aswell, and these 2 albums were essential back then




I might dig those 2 albums out again. I use to play "in the country" "parklife" etc..., but I got sick of them LOL
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