GangstaFam said:

Moonbeam said:

Floyd are pretentious '70s prog (although I always find myself labelling them "classic rock"), but certainly not underground for all the millions of records they've sold, and I'll listen to them anyday over Genesis and Yes and Van der Graaf Generator and stuff like that.

squiddyren said:

squiddyren said:

I remembered that High school musical album!

squiddyren said:

some of that proggy stuff i can get into in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way. for instance, i like how old yes music was used in that film 'buffalo 66', though i'm sure vincent gallo's choice of that music for the soundtrack was totally unironic. still it kinda played like retro kitsch in a way that was perfect for the movie...and i enjoyed the music in that context.

Anx said:

I'm so disappointed that it's not.

And Genesis?

GangstaFam said:

it was a picture taken during her all too brief "female wrestler" phase.

Anx said:

I missed that one. Was that before or after "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"?

squiddyren said:

I absolutely adore Yes. Sue me, but I think their best seventies records are some of the most astonishing and adventurous rock music ever recorded. I don't particularly enjoy the fact that 90% of their songs were about Yetis or eastern mysticism or whatever, but I can get past that.

As for Pink Floyd, there's basically four eras of Pink Floyd, and I'd say yeah to the first two and nah to the last two.

damosuzuki said:

I'm not an expert of PF's material (I just own some compilations from them and I have darkside in my hd), but after roger waters left, they lost their originality and became their own tribute band

damosuzuki said:

Syd was pretty cool.

Moonbeam said:

mmmm, not quite. at least beefheart had a decent sense of humor and absurdism to his work. i'm sure he was difficult and pretentious as hell, but at least you got the idea that he was in on his own joke.

Anx said:

Very Zappa that way.

Anx said:

You're just determined to disagree with me, even when we agree about Pink Floyd, aren't you?

GangstaFam said:

which i guess might explain their ability to collaborate?

i think there was a pretention to zappa's work too, though it was balanced out with enough satire and absurdity that you accepted the noodlier/more indulgent stuff as part of the whole package...kinda like when prince does something totally garish and uncool, we don't care as long as he funks out or does a killer guitar solo at some point to make up for it.

Moonbeam said:

i'm with ya when you're right!

Anx said:

Moonbeam said:

Y'all two bitches!!

squiddyren said:

I was just gonna say. I don't really call any band pretentious anyway, but if I HAD to pick some, I'd go with some real inaccessible 70s prog rock.

GangstaFam said:

we need our own music review show, a la siskel and ebert. only i think we should be allowed to kick each other from across the aisles and throw stuff at each other. it'd be good for ratings!

Moonbeam said:

But why must noodling = pretention? P

eople still pay to see it.

damosuzuki said:

I'm sure they're something quite special in their own right, but I just can't get into them nor most other classic prog aside from PF. But A LOT of music that I adore now that I couldn't stomach long ago had its ways of growing on me, so maybe I'll give them another try one of these days.

Anx said:

minneapolisgenius said:

I don't necessarily equal pretention. It's just the way it comes off to me from Pink Floyd.

Anx said:

That'd be a smash!

Would you allow VoicesCarry in as guest reviewer when there's a ratings slump?

GangstaFam said:

I can be the senior Pop music advisor!

Moonbeam said:

I just think that Pink Floyd always get tagged with this, when if you listen to bands/artists like (as someone mentioned above) Genesis, Yes, Todd Rundgren, Zappa, Beefheart, Alan Parsons Project, Emerson Lake and Palmer, even Jeff Beck and David Byrne, well they're even "worse" as far as the over-indulgence goes IMO.

I think Pink Floyd just gets the brunt of it since they were the most successful.

GangstaFam said:

when i said "throw stuff", i didn't mean ninja stars or grenades.

Anx said: