thebanishedone said:

just a technicality, but Chet Atkins used a home-made wah device on Boo Boo Stick Beat in...I wanna say 1962 but I'm not sure of the year, and I think there was at least someone else who'd used it before clapton.

Anyway about the main subject. The way I've always seen it is that Hendrix is somewhat overrated as a guitar player, but he's still somewhat underappreciated as an overall musician. Sure he's definitely not the most technically proficient guitar player who ever lived, but he was certainly among the most creative and innovative, and in terms of an overall musical vision, i think he remains unsurpassed (among guitar heroes); few other great guitar players were as accomplished songwriters, or as innovative with recording technology or had as distinctive a style, or had as much an impact on the way the instrument was played and composed for in just about every style. Also stylistically he was very versatile. Many "shredders" couldn't play funky if their lives depended on it, or have absolutely no sense of restraint lyricism, or never know when to turn off the distortion and play clean (or acoustic), or let the riff or the melody speak for itself.

BlaqueKnight said:

I am offended by your ignorant comments directed towards me. First off this was a post I made for any those of you who WANTED to discuss this topic. If you were offended and did not want to comment on it, THEN STAY AWAY FROM THIS POST! But do not personally attack me because I do not hold the same opinion about Hendrix that you do. I can guarentee that if I had brought up another guitar player that you had no interest in whatsoever that you would not be verbaly berating me on this post. You are apparently a major Hendrix fan and think that he is the greatest ever, but you should learn some tolerance when a person expresses an opinion that greatly differs with yours and does not see Hendrix in the same way as you and others do.
This was all clearly a pesonnal attack from you against me simply because of my own personal views on a subject that I wanted to talk about with others who choose to come on this board and express their own opinions in a civilised and intelligant manner. Sorry that I feel that Hendrix is not the be all and end all of guitar players, but dont you ever attack me because of my own opinion and go on to insult me for it. Same goes for anyone else on here who cannot accept a certain person's different view of things.

I started this post for a disscusion on the differing opinions that people on this board have about this subject and not to be insulted and told what an idiot I am for my views of Hendrix.
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I don't follow you Purplejam. BK did not insult your person. He actually discussed YOUR OPINION and told you has no respect for YOUR OPINION, not you as a person. Get a grip, you're reacting to his opinion about your opinion.

PFunkjazz said:

panther514 said:

Man I sure am having to respond alot to these posts, which of course I really have no problem with at all. But I would like to try and restate something that I was trying to convey earlier on with one of my response posts. It seems that most of the people here on this board believe that because I was a bit critical of Hendrix's 'sloppy' playing, that it means that I only like guitar players who shred away as fast as they can with of barrage of useless notes, with no emotion in thier playing whatsoever(and by the way,Jimi was on occasion known to be a bit over-indulgent sometimes in his soloing). That is not the case whatsoever with me.
For me a guitar player has to have emotion in his playing(and I even attempted to point out great examples of Jimi's playing in my original post). But I also love that sense of melodicism and beauty which I did not find too often in Jimi's playing, even though he certainly did possess it and did use it on occasion(MAY THIS BE LOVE is a perfect example).

As far as guitar players that I feel are able to convey both emotion and melodicism in their playing are, but certainly not limited to: Peter Green, Mick Taylor, and Albert King, to name only 3. I seriously doubt that you could call any of those gentlemen a bunch of guitar shredders who play with no emotion whatsoever. And like I said, there are of course many more players out there who have these 2 skills in their guitar playing.

PFunkjazz said:

Thats fine if you think that I overreacted. However even if your statement is correct, I do not see anything positive in saying that someone has no respect for your opinion, which is in fact insulting, basically saying that your own opinion is worthless. There is a big differance in a person saying that they disagree with your opinion than it is to say that they have no respect for it whatsoever and that their own opinion is the one that really matters.

I mean we are talking about guitar players here people, not life and death situations that would endanger a person or person's well-being. Why would you not respect a person's opinion on a certain guitar player? I mean what is the big freakin deal about it?

Well, the 'intensity' of this thread alone shows that, at least to some, Jimi Hendrix still matters and is still relevant. No mean feat for a guy who's been gone a good while.

For me, Jimi came from the blues (a notoriously 'sloppy' field, playing-wise, thank goodness) and was untutored in any real sense than from records and other guitar players and musicians he encountered. Like most old style blues and jazz players, much of his playing and soloing was improvised, and so hit and miss in quality. He had good nights and bad nights. Sometimes, like in the Isle of Wight set, you can see him almost fighting with the guitar in frustration, due to sound problems and dissatisfaction with his own playing.

From observation, he was an impressive soloist ('Machine Gun' springs to mind), but had a tendency in later concerts and when jamming to go through the same stages of style development in his solos. He would normally start with a straight blues/rock style for a few minutes, then go 'jazz', with his Wes Montgomery octave things, then go 'eastern', with a more modal, Arab/ Indian kind of thang, then maybe go completely 'out', and then come back in with the blues/rock style to finish.

I'm not saying he always did this in every song, but he does it enough, especially in his '69-'70 period, for it IMO to be something of a formula.

Not a negative criticism, just an observation. I haven't heard all the electric guitar players ever (who has), but, from what I know, he is the greatest electric guitar player I've heard so far ...

I do suspect tho that there's been at least one or two axemen over the past 30-40 years, who nobody has ever heard of, who is/ was, in their own way, as great as Hendrix, but who didn't play live much, never got the breaks, etc. Jimi broke through, if only for a little while, for him ...

PFunkjazz said:

At the very least, the post was an insult... It's the way the post was written... BK even admitted being an asshole... Why would someone say, "Who give a shit what your opinion is?" That's an insult... Telling people that their opinion is worthless is an insult... and it makes no sense on a message board for "discussing" music.

I don't think PurpleJam's original post had anything that warranted such a reaction...
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coolcat said:

Ding ding, we have a winner.

as much as a respect other's opinion, Machine Gun alone makes this post null and void.

PurpleJam said:

Maybe internet posting is not such a good vehicle for you to express your opinions.

Scrapluv said:

Actually it makes this post null and void in your opinion. Please try to keep that in mind and feel free if you would like, to exit this post conversation if you feel it to be a non-relevant topic to you and your opinion. Thats the best way that I can put it.

BlaqueKnight said:

Wow. I have to disrespectfully disagree with you. YOU my friend were the original one who was really hypersensitive and had their panties and whatever else in a bunch over the fact that someone did not and does not see it the way you do. So before you go on with your insults towards me, which I could easily detect in your latest post once again, you need to get over yourself. Not only are you the hostile one, but also arrogant in saying that your opinion on Hendrix is the real and correct one and that anyone that does not hold your exact vision about Jimi is a moron and whose opinion means nothing and should not even bother to talk about and express their own views on him.
I suppose that you got in such an uproar on someone commenting on Hendrix in a way that, because you could not understand it, you just simply came out blasting away at me and basically said 'Screw You dumb ass, My feelings about Jimi are a stone cold fact and yours is full of shit!' And that is what you have been trying to say from the very beginning of this discussion.

All you have to do is to get past all of your sensitvity and ignorance and say that you very much disagree with me. The posts that you have written in responding about this subject shows that you have no tolerance or respect for a person with another viewpoint.

Ultimately, the fact that you could not say 'I do not see it the way you do at all' and that you simply resorted to a childish statement like, 'I dont give a shit about what you think of Jimi and neither should anyone else', says that you cannot, in a mature way, talk and debate about an interesting subject without resorting to name calling and bullying.

Please let me know what other topics are 'the real and correct way to think' according to you, so that I don't upset you anymore with my worthless opinions as opposed to your own, which of course are an 'absolute fact' and not your own opinion, right?
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magnificentsynthesizer said:

Very intelligant, thoughtful and brilliantly clever words from you no doubt. Your post leads me to want to quote a line from 'Just One Of The Guys':
'Strong as an ox, and almost as smart'.

PFunkjazz said:

Actually I find it to be a great vehicle for me, and I even like to do it, who would have thunk it! Its just that when one would rather say that my opinion means nothing and is irrelevant rather than disagreeing with me, which is actaually the proper way of going about it, I would just simply like the chance to respond to them.
I am sure that you would react the same way if you were told that one of your opinions did not mean shit and was not valid whatsoever as opposed to their own. However I do think that I may be able to get over it eventually, but only after years of psychiatric counseling of course. But thank you for you suggestion anyway.

BlaqueKnight said:

After all, this is a Prince board.

This shit is getting stupid.....
grow up please..

The deal is..Jimi hendrix is one of a kind..A Once in a lifetime Master Musician !!!!! some dont dig his style..some do..just like with other Masters..
Prince..Stevie..James Brown...Sly...Miles...ect...
Purplejam has a right to speak his mind and opinion..and because this is a Public forum..BlaqueKnight or anybody else has the right to leave whatever damn comment they please..It hurts when your opinions are shot down..or you feel ganged up on...but if you are too sensitive to take it....Start your own discussion site elsewhere and be the moderator !!!!!
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prettymansson said:

Why? Like you said, this is a public forum, and anyone can leave any comment they damn well please.

coolcat said:

u are right..I'll take the 5 fingers of death blow now please...and by the way..I wasn't specific about anyone in particular.I could have been repramanding myself...Is there something wrong with that..?
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prettymansson said:

Not at all.
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prettymansson said:

Point taken. Just make sure to include BlackKnight in on the whole 'it hurts when your opinions are shot down' comment and not just me, as he clearly took issue first with his comments because HIS notion of Hendrix was shot down by someone else and was the one who got overly sensitive from the beginning, not me. Defending ones self and opinion has nothing to do with being too sensitive as I hope you would agree with as well.
Had I gotten all upset with him merely disagreeing with me, then I would have said that I should go and start my own site elsewhere. Not fighting for the right to have my own opinion sir.
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BlaqueKnight said:

I am indeed heartbroken over your very important and definative comments, but like I said before, I think after years of therapy that I may be able to get over your pesonnal tyraid towards me.

The only thing that makes me wonder about you, is why you would say you dont give a shit about my opinion on Hendrix and why you would choose to word it in such a derogatory manner instead of saying that you have a different viewpoint and you must disagree with my observation about this post? The fact that you choose to use the words you did says that you became raging mad about an opinion that I had over a freakin' guitar player! My point is that you raving about how you dont give a shit about my own opinion on Hendrix immediately throws up a red flag that you have taken my comments as somehow being a direct and personal slam at you and that instead of saying that you just cannot agree with my comments you seemed to take it all as a personal insult towards you.

And yes I did start this discussion post to get peoples varying opinions, but you simply seem to be personnaly offended with my opinion which makes absolutely no sense at all to me or any other rational person. I have never heard of a person taking anothers opinion as personnal a matter before as you have sir.

I sure hope that I am done now with all this ridiculous bullshit arguing going back and forth on here. This was NOT my intention with this post.
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BlaqueKnight said:

If you started a thread on a subject, and someone posted saying, "Who gives a shit what YOU think about xxxx" wouldn't you feel insulted? Wouldn't you react?

coolcat said:

coolcat-Thanks alot for your support. I really do appreciate it.

BlaqueKnight-You are completely right and I am completely bored with it all. Later man.
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I've never eally dug Hendrix. Seems over hyped IMHO. i do like his blues cd, but that's about it.

graycap listen to jimi hendrix are you expirianced,his second album and go find dvd or recording of band of gypsies live at fillmore...
if that don't do it for you,nothing will.
jimi hendrix was is the best guitar player of all time.
he had bad moment like isle of white dvd
but even his bad moment were good.
on filmore concert he was at his best

PurpleJam said:

i rest my case.

thebanishedone said:

I just don't FEEL it when listening and believe me, I've tried.