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Reply #30 posted 01/09/07 6:51pm

uPtoWnNY

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I dont listen to rock or metal for vocals so I dont really care what they sound like that much. It's the guitar and drums that drive me.


I like good vocals and dark, depressing lyrics combined with hard-driving guitars & drums. That's why I love Soundargen & Alice in Chains. Chris Cornell and the late Layne Staley are two of rock's best vocalists, IMO.


It's sad that some people think musical tastes have to be limited to skin color. One of my white co-workers I call "Doctor" because he's from Philly and loves old-skool funk & blues. This cat has soul!


Whatever happened to Sevendust?
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Reply #31 posted 01/10/07 2:46am

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I like some of what I've heard from Wicked Wisdom. Something Inside Of Me is sick.
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Reply #32 posted 01/10/07 8:23am

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uPtoWnNY said:

JackieBlue said:

I dont listen to rock or metal for vocals so I dont really care what they sound like that much. It's the guitar and drums that drive me.


I like good vocals and dark, depressing lyrics combined with hard-driving guitars & drums. That's why I love Soundargen & Alice in Chains. Chris Cornell and the late Layne Staley are two of rock's best vocalists, IMO.


It's sad that some people think musical tastes have to be limited to skin color. One of my white co-workers I call "Doctor" because he's from Philly and loves old-skool funk & blues. This cat has soul!


Whatever happened to Sevendust?


Oooohh!!! I LOVE Chris Cornell! Gorgeous voice. cool
Wanna hear me sing? biggrin www.ChampagneHoneybee.com
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Reply #33 posted 01/10/07 10:59am

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Her voice ain't the best, but metal's not really supposed to be pretty shrug I do admire her for stepping out of the box though.

Her song 'Fakeness' I like though! I laugh everytime I hear her
screaming "fakeness! fakeness! FAKENESS!!" lol
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Reply #34 posted 01/10/07 11:50am

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LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE WICKED WISDOM!!!!! =]
Let's go down 2 the holy river,
If we drown then we'll be delivered.
If we don't then we'll never see the light.
If U die before U try,
U'll have 2 come back and face the light.
When U believe it, U got a good reason 2 cry.

www.myspace.com/xxchina
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Reply #35 posted 01/10/07 12:18pm

ladygirl99

Her songs on her myspace page seem very good. They are better than the latest mainstream songs that are out today but yes I heard better metal songs. shrug Still I am glad that she even attempt of doing metal. Like the quote on her page said" This ain't Rnb shit and I guess she was referring to you guys wanna hear musicians with good voices... biggrin

www.myspace.com/wickedwisdomband

I had just add her just for my support.
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Reply #36 posted 01/10/07 12:27pm

squiddyren

UCantHavaDaMango said:

Oooohh!!! I LOVE Chris Cornell! Gorgeous voice. cool


nod Not just a gorgeous voice, but a gorgeous MAN. drool
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Reply #37 posted 01/10/07 12:53pm

2elijah

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BlaqueKnight said:

I like "Bleed All Over Me". It sounds Jane Child-ish.
She's not that great of a vocalist to me. Not much stage presence. I ain't mad at her for trying, though. Good thing she's married to Big Willie; metal is very much a white male boys club. Its hard enough for black metal bands to do anything and female metal bands as well but a metal band with a black woman as the lead AND she's famous for being an actress (another killer of sincerity in many peoples' eyes). Other than having money behind her, she's got a lot of strikes against her so she must really love it. Hats off to her.

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I'm happy for Jada. And BTW, we need more black sistas in metal!

cool



Betty Mabry-Davis...ex-wife of Miles Davis...was very popular around Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin's time....to me Bette was the first "sista" of rock but somehow disappeared from the scenes in the mid to late 70s...I don't think the public was ready for her then...she was before her time...still living though,









This is what Miles said about Betty:

”If Betty were singing today she be something like Madonna, something like Prince, only as a woman. She was the beginning of all that when she was singing as Betty Davis.” ~ Miles Davis with Quincy Troupe, Miles: The Autobiography



Here's some more info on her from writer John Ballon of musthear.com

"The former wife of Miles, Betty Mabry Davis is perhaps the only woman in the world who could rightfully have the following legend tattooed across her rear: THIS ASS INVENTED FUSION. While their marriage only lasted a year (1968-1969), Betty's impact on the immortal jazz trumpeter was tremendous. Her cutting-edge musical tastes and incomparable sense of style were too much for Miles to resist. A self-righteous 23-year old model, Betty conquered the man twice her age with a potent mixture of youth, beauty, and sex. Within a year, she had completely remade Miles in her own youthful image. As she poured herself into him, his playing grew younger, his outlook fresh. She ripped through his closets, tossing out the elegant suits he had worn for years. This was the late '60s, revolution was in the air, and suits were the uniforms of the Establishment. The time had come to get hip, and Betty pointed the way, introducing Miles to the musical and material gods of revolutionary style: Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone....."

Anyone with half a grip on the past knows that Miles expereiced far more than a wardrobe makeover during his tumultuous Betty year. Deeply influenced by the cosmic rock guitar of Hendrix and the experimental funk of Sly Stone, Miles turned mad genius and unleashed the electrified musical Frankenstein known as Bitches Brew. This monster he created would sadly run amok as fusion lost its soul and became an F word. But for a brief moment during these still glowing days of late '60s Eden, Betty ruled as the mentor-muse for the original man and his music. There are even rumors about an unreleased album of songs that Betty wrote and recorded with Miles and his band.

Betty was fire, and while Miles welcomed the sparks, he knew better than to stay too close for too long. In his autobiography he wrote: “Betty was too young and wild for the things I expected from a woman...Betty was a free spirit, she was raunchy and all that kind of sh!t.” Rumor holds that Miles broke things off because he suspected that his wife was tangled up in a torrid affair with Jimi Hendrix, an infidelity that she has flatly denied to this day. Miles self-preserved, giving up his good thing in the end.

It might have been enough if the story ended there, but it certainly did not. As Betty's lyrics attest, she was not a tragic woman beholden to any man. This was a woman with the strength of a Black Panther, a woman in total control, a predatory feline fully aware of the power that her beauty and sexuality gave her over men. On her self-titled 1973 debut album, she declares war on love in her raunchy funk masterpiece, “Anti Love Song.” In sharp lines probably directed at her ex-husband, she sings: “No I don't want to love you / 'Cause I know how you are / Sure you say you're right on and you're righteous / But with me I know you'd be right off / Cause you know I could posess your body / You know I could make you crawl / And just as hard as I'd fall for you, boy / You know you'd fall for me harder / That's why I don't want to love you.” Belted out in a ferocious over the top style, “Anti Love Song” is the classic bad girl anthem. It was songs like this, along with the album's openning track, “If I'm In Luck I Might Get Picked Up,” that solidified her notorious image as a “nasty girl.” Unfortunately for Betty, America was not yet ready to embrace a woman with such an explicitly sexual persona. Her outrageously flamboyant image eclipsed her talent. Several of her live shows were boycotted by religious groups and even canceled. Radio steered clear of her unconventional music, judging it too hard for black stations and too black for white ones. Her records didn't sell. Betty vanished from the scene, a rumored victim of a drug overdose.

That the record buying public shunned Betty Davis should come as no surprise. She had a much rougher edge to her music than other female funk and soul artists of the '70s. Song for song,Betty Davis is actually one of the most extreme sounding debut records of the decade. Like Bitches Brew, it takes equal parts inspiration from Hendrix and Sly Stone. Future Journey guitarist Neal Schon gives the music its distinctly hard rock Hendrix edge. The Sly angle is fleshed out by former Family Stone drummer Gregg Errico, who plays on and produces the entire record. Former Sly bassist Larry Graham adds an even more unmistakable sound with his trademark grooves. The roster of other musicians playing on this record is impressive: Patryce Banks, Willie Sparks, and Hershall Kennedy of Graham Central Station; Tower of Power horn players Greg Adams and Michael Gillette; and the Pointer Sisters. All these musicians come together to form a flexible and propulsive band, laying down heavy beats behind Neal Schon's dominant lead guitar and Betty's shocking vocals. One critic aptly described their sound as something like a cross between Tina Turner, Funkadelic, and Sly & The Family Stone.

Like all original sounding music, Betty's voice eludes description, and must be heard. A friend was struck by how contemporary it sounded. It's pretty obvious that she was a major influence on Macy Gray. Betty was a powerhouse, pushing her vocal cords to the limit on every performance. She gave it all up, unpredictably alternating between sexy breathiness, moans, and full throated screams. Her voice is not for the feint hearted, as she drags the listener on an fiery tour of her bad-ass soul. This take no prisoners style of singing can sometimes be a bit much to handle. Make no mistake, Betty's brand of black music is not pleasantly soulful, it's ecstatically hard. Many will find it grating and inaccessible in places. Here was a woman capable of projecting sex in a single sceam, an unsentimental envelope pusher with the raucous pipes of a banshee. Even on the album's only slow song, “In The Meantime,” Betty sings with tongue in cheek sweetness about the dark pleasures in being alone, closing out the record with a promise that she will survive with or without a man.

Way ahead of her time, Betty was the original super freak, a musical extremist who demanded too much from her audience. She came and went with a thunderous roar. "

Tracks

1. If I'm In Luck I Might Get Picked Up
2. Walking Up The Road
3. Anti Love Song
4. Your Man My Man
5. Ooh Yea
6. Steppin In Her I. Miller Shoes
7. Game Is My Middle Name
8. In The Meantime


The Players

Neal Schon - Guitar
Jules Broussard - Sax (Baritone)
Betty Davis - Arranger
Larry Graham - Bass
June Pointer - Vocals (from the Pointer sisters)
Anita Pointer - Vocals (from the Pointer sisters)
Patryce Banks - Vocals
Greg Errico - Drums
Hershall Kennedy - Organ, Clavinet
Richard Kermode - Piano
Victor Pantoja - Conga
Doug Rauch - Bass
Douglas Rodrigues - Guitar
Annie Sampson - Vocals
[Edited 1/10/07 13:16pm]
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Reply #38 posted 01/11/07 5:30am

StDrew

Thanks for the info; added her to my myspace and have orders on the way from Amazon on her albums. Being a fan of ALL types of music from my skater days of Suicidal Tendencies to now, its great hearing some newness. I think WW has got the newness.
Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is.
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Reply #39 posted 01/11/07 8:32am

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2elijah said:

TonyVanDam said:



I'm happy for Jada. And BTW, we need more black sistas in metal!

cool



Betty Mabry-Davis...ex-wife of Miles Davis...was very popular around Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin's time....to me Bette was the first "sista" of rock but somehow disappeared from the scenes in the mid to late 70s...I don't think the public was ready for her then...she was before her time...still living though,









This is what Miles said about Betty:

”If Betty were singing today she be something like Madonna, something like Prince, only as a woman. She was the beginning of all that when she was singing as Betty Davis.” ~ Miles Davis with Quincy Troupe, Miles: The Autobiography



Here's some more info on her from writer John Ballon of musthear.com

"The former wife of Miles, Betty Mabry Davis is perhaps the only woman in the world who could rightfully have the following legend tattooed across her rear: THIS ASS INVENTED FUSION. While their marriage only lasted a year (1968-1969), Betty's impact on the immortal jazz trumpeter was tremendous. Her cutting-edge musical tastes and incomparable sense of style were too much for Miles to resist. A self-righteous 23-year old model, Betty conquered the man twice her age with a potent mixture of youth, beauty, and sex. Within a year, she had completely remade Miles in her own youthful image. As she poured herself into him, his playing grew younger, his outlook fresh. She ripped through his closets, tossing out the elegant suits he had worn for years. This was the late '60s, revolution was in the air, and suits were the uniforms of the Establishment. The time had come to get hip, and Betty pointed the way, introducing Miles to the musical and material gods of revolutionary style: Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone....."

Anyone with half a grip on the past knows that Miles expereiced far more than a wardrobe makeover during his tumultuous Betty year. Deeply influenced by the cosmic rock guitar of Hendrix and the experimental funk of Sly Stone, Miles turned mad genius and unleashed the electrified musical Frankenstein known as Bitches Brew. This monster he created would sadly run amok as fusion lost its soul and became an F word. But for a brief moment during these still glowing days of late '60s Eden, Betty ruled as the mentor-muse for the original man and his music. There are even rumors about an unreleased album of songs that Betty wrote and recorded with Miles and his band.

Betty was fire, and while Miles welcomed the sparks, he knew better than to stay too close for too long. In his autobiography he wrote: “Betty was too young and wild for the things I expected from a woman...Betty was a free spirit, she was raunchy and all that kind of sh!t.” Rumor holds that Miles broke things off because he suspected that his wife was tangled up in a torrid affair with Jimi Hendrix, an infidelity that she has flatly denied to this day. Miles self-preserved, giving up his good thing in the end.

It might have been enough if the story ended there, but it certainly did not. As Betty's lyrics attest, she was not a tragic woman beholden to any man. This was a woman with the strength of a Black Panther, a woman in total control, a predatory feline fully aware of the power that her beauty and sexuality gave her over men. On her self-titled 1973 debut album, she declares war on love in her raunchy funk masterpiece, “Anti Love Song.” In sharp lines probably directed at her ex-husband, she sings: “No I don't want to love you / 'Cause I know how you are / Sure you say you're right on and you're righteous / But with me I know you'd be right off / Cause you know I could posess your body / You know I could make you crawl / And just as hard as I'd fall for you, boy / You know you'd fall for me harder / That's why I don't want to love you.” Belted out in a ferocious over the top style, “Anti Love Song” is the classic bad girl anthem. It was songs like this, along with the album's openning track, “If I'm In Luck I Might Get Picked Up,” that solidified her notorious image as a “nasty girl.” Unfortunately for Betty, America was not yet ready to embrace a woman with such an explicitly sexual persona. Her outrageously flamboyant image eclipsed her talent. Several of her live shows were boycotted by religious groups and even canceled. Radio steered clear of her unconventional music, judging it too hard for black stations and too black for white ones. Her records didn't sell. Betty vanished from the scene, a rumored victim of a drug overdose.

That the record buying public shunned Betty Davis should come as no surprise. She had a much rougher edge to her music than other female funk and soul artists of the '70s. Song for song,Betty Davis is actually one of the most extreme sounding debut records of the decade. Like Bitches Brew, it takes equal parts inspiration from Hendrix and Sly Stone. Future Journey guitarist Neal Schon gives the music its distinctly hard rock Hendrix edge. The Sly angle is fleshed out by former Family Stone drummer Gregg Errico, who plays on and produces the entire record. Former Sly bassist Larry Graham adds an even more unmistakable sound with his trademark grooves. The roster of other musicians playing on this record is impressive: Patryce Banks, Willie Sparks, and Hershall Kennedy of Graham Central Station; Tower of Power horn players Greg Adams and Michael Gillette; and the Pointer Sisters. All these musicians come together to form a flexible and propulsive band, laying down heavy beats behind Neal Schon's dominant lead guitar and Betty's shocking vocals. One critic aptly described their sound as something like a cross between Tina Turner, Funkadelic, and Sly & The Family Stone.

Like all original sounding music, Betty's voice eludes description, and must be heard. A friend was struck by how contemporary it sounded. It's pretty obvious that she was a major influence on Macy Gray. Betty was a powerhouse, pushing her vocal cords to the limit on every performance. She gave it all up, unpredictably alternating between sexy breathiness, moans, and full throated screams. Her voice is not for the feint hearted, as she drags the listener on an fiery tour of her bad-ass soul. This take no prisoners style of singing can sometimes be a bit much to handle. Make no mistake, Betty's brand of black music is not pleasantly soulful, it's ecstatically hard. Many will find it grating and inaccessible in places. Here was a woman capable of projecting sex in a single sceam, an unsentimental envelope pusher with the raucous pipes of a banshee. Even on the album's only slow song, “In The Meantime,” Betty sings with tongue in cheek sweetness about the dark pleasures in being alone, closing out the record with a promise that she will survive with or without a man.

Way ahead of her time, Betty was the original super freak, a musical extremist who demanded too much from her audience. She came and went with a thunderous roar. "

Tracks

1. If I'm In Luck I Might Get Picked Up
2. Walking Up The Road
3. Anti Love Song
4. Your Man My Man
5. Ooh Yea
6. Steppin In Her I. Miller Shoes
7. Game Is My Middle Name
8. In The Meantime


The Players

Neal Schon - Guitar
Jules Broussard - Sax (Baritone)
Betty Davis - Arranger
Larry Graham - Bass
June Pointer - Vocals (from the Pointer sisters)
Anita Pointer - Vocals (from the Pointer sisters)
Patryce Banks - Vocals
Greg Errico - Drums
Hershall Kennedy - Organ, Clavinet
Richard Kermode - Piano
Victor Pantoja - Conga
Doug Rauch - Bass
Douglas Rodrigues - Guitar
Annie Sampson - Vocals
[Edited 1/10/07 13:16pm]



Funny,how I started a thread about her 2 weeks ago and basically NO responses.
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Reply #41 posted 01/11/07 9:01am

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I still say she's just okay. She's not mind-blowing or anything and I don't give out girl points. Musicians like Rhonda, Sheila, Meshell and countless vocalists have shown that gender is irrelevant when it comes to musical ABILITY. I commend her for taking the challenging path but as far as skills go, I could pull 3 or 4 chicks off MySpace right off the top of my head that would blow her away doing what she's doing. She's not the best at what she's doing but she is one of the few that's getting the national attention that she is and being Jada Pinkett-Smith has a lot to do with it.
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