The funny thing about the whole Nipplegate thing is that NFL football is drenched in macho sexism during EVERY GAME. I'm more offended by the lame-ass beer commercials and the cheerleading tarts than I ever could be by the milliseconds of a boob. The way America responded made me embarrassed to be an American.

sosgemini said:

Spread eagle.....

Moonbeam said:

Exactly what I've been trying to tell people. The commercials at THAT time were far more controversial than the whole halftime show.

Mike Ditka promoting medication for men that can't get their penises on solid hard for their lovers?!? WTF was THAT commercial doing on for all the children of North America to see?

VinnyM27 said:

Fergalicious def

Fergalicious def

Cinnie can you do them a favor and play them some old Janet and while they're distracted by the quality of the music somehow burn their Fuggie CD?

VoicesCarry said:

CinisterCee said:

young people aren't interested in you , untill they hear your song on the radio every half hour/ and videos on trl and 106 and park everyday. and you perform on every adward show they have a short attention spands. and considering Janet hasn't been like that since all for you. then yeah she is dead to them.
It would be nice if Janet was re established to them but Mtv and pop radio ( isn't letting that happeend
[Edited 12/31/06 17:45pm]

shortstuff45220 said:

I think what I'm trying to get across here is... if songs like "So Excited" were supposed to win over a young audience, then yes, we should have been PUMMELLED INTO THE GROUND WITH PROMOTION.

CinisterCee said:

Virgin/EMI strikes again!

Thankfully she is now a free agent.

How many JANFT threads have we made?

Why don't we discuss the Like A Virgin album and the way it is destroying the modern world?

Moonbeam said:

And rightfully so. I am glad you set an example and left the country over this.

MikeMatronik said:

I have one more before 2007 begins in central time zone. Just look for it!

HamsterHuey said:

That's a real JANFT stan!

lameless said:

I agree,she seriously needs to re-invent herself.As an artist,she has become predictable and one-dimensional.

Shapeshifter said:

I agree.She needs to make a bold,challenging album for once.She should stay away from lame R&B producers and stop it with the "sex kitten" act.It's played out and people are tired of it.

sallysassalot said:

No doubt,this has got to be a weird time for Janet.After Nipplegate and two flop albums in a row,she is definately at a career crossroads.If she does tour,she'd better come up with a thrilling,dazzling show that is unlike anything she has ever done.

sallysassalot said:

Also,Madonna was smart enough to evolve as an artist.She went through the whole "sex/slut" phase in the early 90s,got it out of her system and moved on.

that "Glow of Love" sample killed me

eikonoklastes said:

Actually, I disagree about Janet's voice. I was listening to 20. Y. O., and even though I found her voice quite shrill, I noticed that she has lots of musicality and a huge range. Janet needs to work on building resonance and maturity...with maybe a little bit more power while maintaining her distinctive sound. Really, that's what distiguishes Janet from artists like Sade, Bebel Gilberto, even Earth Kitt and the late Billie Holiday, among others. The difference is that those women make-up for their lack of power by having just a better, more mature, vocal quality than Janet.

This is really going to anger a lot of her fans, but I think Janet needs to step-away from her back-up dancers--with DANCE being such a focus of her performance, and work on being a vocal artist. I'm not saying she should ditch the dancers completely because a lot of singers, like Celine Dion, for example use dancers in their shows. But in a way, it appears Janet uses dancing as an excuse for not developing her voice to its fullest potential. Consequently, she relies upon singing with back-up tracks when she could really still dance and sing with revamped choreography. She could use more music breaks for dancing and engage more with the dancers rather than dance as part of them. I love dance, but I think if Janet is ever going to be taken seriously again, she might have to step away from being viewed as a performer who lip-synchs. She is going to have to show that she can deliver the goods as a vocalist not only with her music but with her performances.

I agree with a lot of you: Janet is going to have to take a risk because I just don't think the general public seems to respect her anymore on many different levels. The Super Bowl incident expedited its inevitability, but I think sooner or later, Janet would have had difficulty because music trends are obviously changing. People expect artists to become better even though not everyone will be fans of their music, but consumers expect artists to make an effort to evolve. Not to make this into another Madge v Janet thread, but Madonna has made an effort to evolve, and I can't deny that even though the results are only *meh* to me. (I'm just not a huge fan of Madonna's, period.) Nonetheless,when I get into discussions about Madge, I'm always impressed that her fans have the feeling that Madonna is at least TRYING to grow, and they respect her for it, so to them, she can do no wrong because her mistakes, if you will, are in an effort to become a better artist.

I don't get that sense from Janet's fans. The majority of Janet's fans seem to be bored, which is sad commentary because how does she expect casual music fans to be excited about her, when even a lot of her long-time fans have either left or appear to be bored? I just don't think Janet appears to have even made the effort to grow as far as her voice or her type of performances. Nothing has changed at all. It's still the same ol', same ol', and I really if she is planning on staying in the music business, Janet needs to put more effort into become a better vocalist at least, than dancer or representative of beauty. Imagine if she had put as much effort into developing her voice, for example, as she has with losing weight, getting into shape, and learning choreography. I bet she could really surprise everyone.

As much as I'm impressed with her right now, Ciara is going to be expected to evolve is she is planning on staying in the music business. 10, 20 years from now if Ciara doesn't even attempt to grow vocally, then the general public as well as her fans are going to become equally disinterested. So it's not surprising that Janet is having difficulty.
[Edited 1/2/07 8:17am]

Janet's in her 40's now, she needs to stop trying to dress/act like she's some 20-something sex-kitten. She's missing the boat by targeting her music and her image to the high school crowd.

She seemed more mature in her 20's than she does now.

IAintTheOne said:

flowers bloomin' mornin' dew
and the beauty seems to say

Moonbeam said:

Thank God somebody mentioned the whole Super Bowl atmosphere that day! It's amazing how tens of millions of people sat through commercials of flatulent horses, crotch-biting dogs, scantily-clad beer babes and endless commercials for erectile dysfunction drugs announcing side effects of four hour erections, yet the whole country freaks out because Janet exposes a boob on national television. Other countries with our standard of living (most of Europe, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina) show more nudity and more explicit adult situations on their family-oriented shows than we do on late night network and basic cable television. As for the millions of people who complained, it actually was an orchestrated effort by one - yes, one - extreme right-wing Christian group to inundate the FCC with e-mails complaining of the incident. Prior to that performance, Kid Rock had performed on stage during the halftime show with pornstars dancing scantily clad with poles, and Nelly had sung "Hot In Herre," yet virtually no one made a peep about that.

As for Tittygate, that really hurt Janet's career a lot, but if Damita Jo had been released with much stronger tracks than the ones they released prior to the Super Bowl, the whole incident would have blown over. Instead, it drew attention to how weak the album was to begin with. Controversy can actually help a person's career if they have something substantive to share, but it just reeks of desperation if one puts out a bunch of crap.

728huey said:

I don't think the whole country freaked out....Politicans had phoney outrage and the country nodded and agreed. Clear Channel of course sided with Bush. Republicans win on "values", if not Iraq. ALl is good int he all the world...

what about the simple fact Janet just didn't have a grip on the vibe of the country? we were in the swing of a conservatitive backlash and America was going to jump on any female that stepped out of line. Dixie Chicks the year before when Natlie made the comment about Bush. Madonna was even smart enough to realize that she might not be able to survive if she put out her video, and suffered some backlash for the prerelease hype. Had the incendent happened in 05 or 06 it wouldnt' have been as big a deal because the death grip the conservatitives had on everything was eroding by then.

it's as simple as not paying attention to the climate of the country.

IAintTheOne said:

actually,the sample is the best part of the song

SoulAlive said:

I agree.

fabulous topic! I've been a huge janet fan for so long and loved her like no other during the velvet rope days and felt like there was no stopping this woman. When All For You came out I was really enjoying the era as a whole, but for the first time I couldn't enjoy a janet album from start to finish and that was never a problem for me. All For You isn't bad but it isn't great either. I have days when I can listen to the whole thing, but mostly it's hard to tolerate it. Same story with damita jo & 20 Y.O., a love-hate relationship with the albums. Don't get me wrong, the last 3 albums have several songs that are some of her best but nothing compared to velvet rope and before. I even know people who loved janet but started to get sick of her during all for you, and it was slowly happening to me too. I still love and support the girl, but she needs to stop pulling a "latoya" with her raunchy photoshoots and needs get away from that ugly little midget FAST cause he's ruining her music career for good and it's sad to see this happening to someone I grew up on. Sometimes I wish she took a long break from making albums after all for you because she could have saved herself from the superbowl and would be still getting mad props as a music icon. She could have had a family that time and done some acting roles with music for the soundtrack like she did with nutty professor 2. That way, she wouldn't be embarassing herself and relying on sex & her boyfriend to sell her records for her.

alphastreet said:

despite her last two crappy CDs I still think overall she's considered a musical icon. no one can deny that. I think once the tour rolls around, everyone will be happy again, and that's if and only if, she brings about changes and not the same ole tired routines she did on All For U.

wonder505 said:

I just worry that little kids who like ciara don't realize who she's copying cause janet did it all before these kiddies! I'm really excited for the tour and have my money ready. I was at velvet rope & all for you so I'm definitely going to this one though I really hope she changes it around, BIG TIME!

Moonbeam said:

why? she got what she asked for. she just bit off more than she could chew. she flashed her titty to get a reaction. she got it. what's the problem?