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Printabledancerella said: vainandy said: I guess you would call it jazz. I can sit and listen to it though but it sure as hell ain't something I would want from someone like Prince. I don't consider "NEWS" as Prince's most boring album though. I just threw that one out because so many people hate it. My choice for most boring Prince album would be "The Truth".  Damn, I never even heard of "the truth". when did that come out?? what is it like? "Crystal Ball", I believe it was 1998, was a three CD set and "The Truth" album was thrown in as a bonus fourth CD. It's an accoutical album. I hate anything stripped down and simple....that's why I hate shit hop. Anyway, accoustical music puts me in the mind of people sitting around a campfire singing "Kumbaya" or "Michael Rowed The Boat Ashore". If you like accoustical music though, you might like it. A lot of people on this site love it. I don't know what drugs they are taking though. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: "Crystal Ball", I believe it was 1998, was a three CD set and "The Truth" album was thrown in as a bonus fourth CD. It's an accoutical album. I hate anything stripped down and simple....that's why I hate shit hop. Anyway, accoustical music puts me in the mind of people sitting around a campfire singing "Kumbaya" or "Michael Rowed The Boat Ashore". If you like accoustical music though, you might like it. A lot of people on this site love it. I don't know what drugs they are taking though. 
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: "Crystal Ball", I believe it was 1998, was a three CD set and "The Truth" album was thrown in as a bonus fourth CD. It's an accoutical album. I hate anything stripped down and simple....that's why I hate shit hop. Anyway, accoustical music puts me in the mind of people sitting around a campfire singing "Kumbaya" or "Michael Rowed The Boat Ashore". If you like accoustical music though, you might like it. A lot of people on this site love it. I don't know what drugs they are taking though.
How much pot would it take to get you to like Shitney? Honey, you would have to give me some CRACK to like her! And I wouldn't like her from the first smoke, I would have to be hooked on it for a WHILE! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: It was a disgrace that he performed with a piece of shit hop trash like her to begin with.
Shit Hop Trash? What the hell is that supposed to mean? | |
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murph said: vainandy said: It was a disgrace that he performed with a piece of shit hop trash like her to begin with.
Shit Hop Trash? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Exactly what it says. | |
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vainandy said: Yes I am. Prince bitches about today's music and then turn around and performs with the enemy. Unlike him, when I bitch about something, I stick to my guns all the way. yeah but beyonce really can sing and she never lip synchs during her live concerts, so that has to be one of the main reasons P respects her. that and the fact that he loves beautiful women, we all know that | |
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VoicesCarry said: murph said: Shit Hop Trash? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Exactly what it says. Yeah...I guess it is, huh? I'm not the biggest Beyonce booster, but clearly she didn't embarrass herself performing with Prince...But of course, I'm also dealing with folks that wouldn't know the difference between Public Enemy and Young Jeezy.... | |
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murph said: VoicesCarry said: Exactly what it says. Yeah...I guess it is, huh? I'm not the biggest Beyonce booster, but clearly she didn't embarrass herself performing with Prince...But of course, I'm also dealing with folks that wouldn't know the difference between Public Enemy and Young Jeezy.... vainandy knows the difference. | |
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Meloh9 said: vainandy said: Yes I am. Prince bitches about today's music and then turn around and performs with the enemy. Unlike him, when I bitch about something, I stick to my guns all the way. yeah but beyonce really can sing and she never lip synchs during her live concerts, so that has to be one of the main reasons P respects her. that and the fact that he loves beautiful women, we all know that Prince likes beautiful untalented women. I have no idea if being classified with them is a blessing or a curse for Beyonce. | |
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vainandy said: It was a disgrace that he performed with a piece of shit hop trash like her to begin with.
 Couldn't agree more.Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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VoicesCarry said: murph said: Yeah...I guess it is, huh? I'm not the biggest Beyonce booster, but clearly she didn't embarrass herself performing with Prince...But of course, I'm also dealing with folks that wouldn't know the difference between Public Enemy and Young Jeezy.... vainandy knows the difference. Nah he doesn't...I've read his thoughts on hip hop before...He puts all hip-hop oriented acts underneath one tent...That's why it's hard to take him (and again, he's one of the more entertaining folks on this site...no disrespect...)and other folks seriously when discussing certain genres of music...He's blinded by hate... | |
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VoicesCarry said: Meloh9 said: yeah but beyonce really can sing and she never lip synchs during her live concerts, so that has to be one of the main reasons P respects her. that and the fact that he loves beautiful women, we all know that Prince likes beautiful untalented women. I have no idea if being classified with them is a blessing or a curse for Beyonce. the fact that she can sing AND has the look would most likely put her over the top in Prince's book. not that I can speak for the man but I can imagine how much respect he must have for her seeing that she is one of the few new artist that refuse to lip synch | |
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VoicesCarry said: Meloh9 said: yeah but beyonce really can sing and she never lip synchs during her live concerts, so that has to be one of the main reasons P respects her. that and the fact that he loves beautiful women, we all know that Prince likes beautiful untalented women. I have no idea if being classified with them is a blessing or a curse for Beyonce. Look...You are not even going to find me buying Beyonce's albums (I like a few songs here and there off the first joint, but the new direction she went in was lazy...)..But she's miles ahead of some of the other "beautiful" vocalist that Prince has worked with...The girl can sing...she's just been picking some lazy material... [Edited 12/20/06 17:24pm] | |
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Meloh9 said: vainandy said: Yes I am. Prince bitches about today's music and then turn around and performs with the enemy. Unlike him, when I bitch about something, I stick to my guns all the way. yeah but beyonce really can sing and she never lip synchs during her live concerts, so that has to be one of the main reasons P respects her. that and the fact that he loves beautiful women, we all know that Well, singing is the last thing I listen to when I listen to a song. I like music but all I hear behind her singing is that weak little midtempo shit hop drum machine beat. At least get some stronger sounding drum machines....anything but the shit hop sound. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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murph said: VoicesCarry said: vainandy knows the difference. Nah he doesn't...I've read his thoughts on hip hop before...He puts all hip-hop oriented acts underneath one tent...That's why it's hard to take him (and again, he's one of the more entertaining folks on this site...no disrespect...)and other folks seriously when discussing certain genres of music...He's blinded by hate... Believe me, he knows the difference, he just thinks the entire field is bullshit.  | |
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the only downfall of Beyonce is that she's associated with Jay Z. If she wasn't, she'd have more cred as a vocalist who respects past music but does today's music. I give her cred b/c I didn't she'd be able to hold her own vocally without the rest of DC, but she can. She doesn't try to go beyond her own scope and talent (like Christina, another girl who can sing) and can sing AND move at the same time.
Again, she's no extreme wonder, but she's not talentless. But if you're blind to "shit hop" (and it has been awhile since a rap group could come close to touching A Tribe Called Quest) and rhythmless and blues (who was the last guy group that could TRULY sing live? 98 degrees? That's sad), then it all sucks. | |
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VoicesCarry said: murph said: Nah he doesn't...I've read his thoughts on hip hop before...He puts all hip-hop oriented acts underneath one tent...That's why it's hard to take him (and again, he's one of the more entertaining folks on this site...no disrespect...)and other folks seriously when discussing certain genres of music...He's blinded by hate... Believe me, he knows the difference, he just thinks the entire field is bullshit. Exactly. I never felt the way I do about hip hop until the 1990s came around. It's a field that turned to absolute bullshit and any artists with any real talent should abandon it because when they participate, they just help a shitty field to grow as a whole. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Meloh9 said: VoicesCarry said: Prince likes beautiful untalented women. I have no idea if being classified with them is a blessing or a curse for Beyonce. the fact that she can sing AND has the look would most likely put her over the top in Prince's book. not that I can speak for the man but I can imagine how much respect he must have for her seeing that she is one of the few new artist that refuse to lip synch I think Prince was looking for a way to make a splash for himself and that's how he did it. He didn't give a shit about Beyonce. I mean he was trying to teach her some basic scales on the piano during rehearsals. She had zero knowledge. But maybe that is what excited him, who knows? I'm not one to say you can *sing* just because you sing, and I don't think Prince is, either. Beyonce as a vocalist has never worked for me. She does her riffs and stuff and likes to show off here and there, but has she ever really made me feel what she's singing about? No. So whatever it is that Prince saw (I think it was the headlines that it would generate and not Beyonce herself), I don't see it. There were even better voices in Destiny's Child. [Edited 12/20/06 17:31pm] | |
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She's SO lucky 2 have performed with Prince.....and SO not worthy! | |
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vainandy said: Well, singing is the last thing I listen to when I listen to a song. I like music but all I hear behind her singing is that weak little midtempo shit hop drum machine beat. At least get some stronger sounding drum machines....anything but the shit hop sound. And this is what you have to learn my man...There are some folks that actually care about vocal skills....I myself like all facets of music from vocals to attitude to musicisnship...I can see the beauty and soul in Luther Vandross' voice; the lyrical brilliance of a rapper like Nas; the bold fuck you attitude of The Arctic Monkey's and the musicianship of Miles. Labeling genres is just not my bag... | |
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VoicesCarry said:
I think Prince was looking for a way to make a splash for himself and that's how he did it. He didn't give a shit about Beyonce. I mean he was trying to teach her some basic scales on the piano during rehearsals. She had zero knowledge. But maybe that is what excited him, who knows? Fuck the piano. He needs to teach her ass some damn drums and bass because that's what's missing from today's music. Hell, teach her ass to clap her damn hands too because that's missing too. Anything that contains rhythm, they have taken out of music these days. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. I never felt the way I do about hip hop until the 1990s came around. It's a field that turned to absolute bullshit and any artists with any real talent should abandon it because when they participate, they just help a shitty field to grow as a whole. I disagree, rappers like Common try to bring balance to Hip Hop and even a sense of maturity. Not to mention that their is a Hip Hop underground that is much more diverse than what you see on TV and on award shows, its even racially mixed, you just don't hear about it. | |
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murph said: vainandy said: Well, singing is the last thing I listen to when I listen to a song. I like music but all I hear behind her singing is that weak little midtempo shit hop drum machine beat. At least get some stronger sounding drum machines....anything but the shit hop sound. And this is what you have to learn my man...There are some folks that actually care about vocal skills....I myself like all facets of music from vocals to attitude to musicisnship...I can see the beauty and soul in Luther Vandross' voice; the lyrical brilliance of a rapper like Nas; the bold fuck you attitude of The Arctic Monkey's and the musicianship of Miles. Labeling genres is just not my bag... Vocal skills are great but they are pretty damn boring when there's nothing good behind them. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Vocal skills are great but they are pretty damn boring when there's nothing good behind them. This is true. A lot of great voices have sung a lot of shitty songs....and I try to avoid them. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Meloh9 said: the fact that she can sing AND has the look would most likely put her over the top in Prince's book. not that I can speak for the man but I can imagine how much respect he must have for her seeing that she is one of the few new artist that refuse to lip synch I think Prince was looking for a way to make a splash for himself and that's how he did it. He didn't give a shit about Beyonce. I mean he was trying to teach her some basic scales on the piano during rehearsals. She had zero knowledge. But maybe that is what excited him, who knows? I'm not one to say you can *sing* just because you sing, and I don't think Prince is, either. Beyonce as a vocalist has never worked for me. She does her riffs and stuff and likes to show off here and there, but has she ever really made me feel what she's singing about? No. So whatever it is that Prince saw (I think it was the headlines that it would generate and not Beyonce herself), I don't see it. There were even better voices in Destiny's Child. [Edited 12/20/06 17:31pm] I agree he wanted to make a splash with a big artist. But I think he really respects her, he said so himself I may be able to find the clip on youtube where Prince talked about working with beyonce at the musicology press conference. he even sent her some instrumentals | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. I never felt the way I do about hip hop until the 1990s came around. It's a field that turned to absolute bullshit and any artists with any real talent should abandon it because when they participate, they just help a shitty field to grow as a whole. Shit, Vain, the 1990's was an era that boasted some of hip-hop's greatest works...I can, however, understand where you are coming from with much of today's hip-hop because a lot of it is on some one-trick-pony shit...But that's another thread... | |
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vainandy said: Vocal skills are great but they are pretty damn boring when there's nothing good behind them. Again, you like what you like and i can dig it...But I think you are dishing out your hatred on the wrong artists....As lazy as beyonce can be sometimes, she's no way near as much a talentless hack, no singing scrub as is Cassie...But of course to you, they are the same person...lol...And that's why it's hard to take you seriously on such matters...You still the homie, though.... [Edited 12/20/06 17:42pm] | |
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we need a why I hate hip hop today thread so people can post all of the rants under one topic, I know its off topic but the thing I do kind of hate about the hip hop influence is that it sort of killed free form music. it put the rythem in a box so to speak, when I was younger and Hip Hop was first getting big during the golden age, all of the music sounded like a record skipping, I was coming off of growing up on Curtis Mayfield and Soul 45s. The looped samples made no room for solos or runs.. it sounded so strange, and music seems to still be in that box today, at least to my ears | |
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Meloh9 said: we need a why I hate hip hop today thread so people can post all of the rants under one topic, I know its off topic but the thing I do kind of hate about the hip hop influence is that it sort of killed free form music. it put the rythem in a box so to speak, when I was younger and Hip Hop was first getting big during the golden age, all of the music sounded like a record skipping, I was coming off of growing up on Curtis Mayfield and Soul 45s. The looped samples made no room for solos or runs.. it sounded so strange, and music seems to still be in that box today, at least to my ears
Contemporary hip hop killed music for many reasons: 1. Sampling. 2. It is rhythmless. It put rhythm in a box, and then put the box in a garbage press. 3. You don't need a voice. Or melody. [Edited 12/20/06 17:45pm] | |
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murph said: vainandy said: Exactly. I never felt the way I do about hip hop until the 1990s came around. It's a field that turned to absolute bullshit and any artists with any real talent should abandon it because when they participate, they just help a shitty field to grow as a whole. Shit, Vain, the 1990's was an era that boasted some of hip-hop's greatest works...I can, however, understand where you are coming from with much of today's hip-hop because a lot of it is on some one-trick-pony shit...But that's another thread... The majority of what I heard from the 1990s was hip hop songs that were totally stripped down to a beat (and a weak sounding tapping, not pounding, beat at that) with some talking on top of it. Throw in a sample or two and there was a hit song. And the worst thing about the 1990 and today's era, is that hardly anyone EVER gets past midtempo. Yeah, it's fine to have some shit like that every now and then....but damn, that's ALL there is. I heard some shit like that in the 1980s also but it was underground where it should have been. Only the good rap songs got played on the mainstream R&B stations back then. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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