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Thank God for Michael Jackson I just finished watching both his Access Hollywood interviews, and all I can say is thank God for Michael Jackson. The song he played for the journalist was so good. Even though you only hear the first few bars, it's a marvellous few bars. It's such a refreshing sound. I think Michael Jackson's going to re-invent pop music with his new album, like he did with Off The Wall and Thriller. I'm so thrilled that Michael is taking his music back to his roots, and he's forgetting about doing big, extravagent music that he thinks will generate millions of sales like he did with HIStory and Invincible. He's re-inventing himself, and in turn re-inventing music. Next year's going to be an interesting year. [Edited 11/4/06 23:50pm] | |
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DarlingDiana said: I just finished watching both his Access Hollywood interviews, and all I can say is thank God for Michael Jackson. The song he played for the journalist was so good. Even though you only hear the first few bars, it's a marvellous few bars. It's such a refreshing sound. I think Michael Jackson's going to re-invent pop music with his new album, like he did with Off The Wall and Thriller. I'm so thrilled that Michael is taking his music back to his roots, and he's forgetting about doing big, extravagent music that he thinks will generate millions of sales like he did with HIStory and Invincible. He's re-inventing himself, and in turn re-inventing music. Next year's going to be an interesting year.
[Edited 11/4/06 23:50pm] he's either doing that or he's working with Will.I.Am. he can't be doing both  "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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DarlingDiana said: I just finished watching both his Access Hollywood interviews, and all I can say is thank God for Michael Jackson. The song he played for the journalist was so good. Even though you only hear the first few bars, it's a marvellous few bars. It's such a refreshing sound. I think Michael Jackson's going to re-invent pop music with his new album, like he did with Off The Wall and Thriller. I'm so thrilled that Michael is taking his music back to his roots, and he's forgetting about doing big, extravagent music that he thinks will generate millions of sales like he did with HIStory and Invincible. He's re-inventing himself, and in turn re-inventing music. Next year's going to be an interesting year.
[Edited 11/4/06 23:50pm] much as i like Mike, knowing how he works, it's more than likely whatever was playing won't see the light of day. more than likely that's one of a zillion tracks he'll record then whittle it down to an albums worth. I'm interested with what he'll come back with, but he's had his music changing event back in the early 80's, if you're lucky as an artist, that happens once. I'm hoping Michael will just focus and settle for a great, consistant album ala 'Off The Wall'. fuck the 'King Of Pop' bullshit, i was ultra-disappointed to see that rear it's pointless head once again during the interview. |
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I think those were just Will's "audition" beats. Don't think Mike was involved. They still sounded nice for demo's though. | |
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Well I think it's a damn shame that he's auditioning people with beats. It used to be that Michael would come up with a melody and work around that. SInce when have "beats" been the element to measure how good a producer is? Ugh, don't answer that, it's too sad  | |
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Ellie said: Well I think it's a damn shame that he's auditioning people with beats. It used to be that Michael would come up with a melody and work around that. SInce when have "beats" been the element to measure how good a producer is? Ugh, don't answer that, it's too sad
yeah he said he comes up with a beatbox(using mouth) first and then him or his producers add the sounds. looking for chart success leads to crap music. | |
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Ellie said: Well I think it's a damn shame that he's auditioning people with beats. It used to be that Michael would come up with a melody and work around that. SInce when have "beats" been the element to measure how good a producer is? Ugh, don't answer that, it's too sad
Well Will.I.Am is a hip hop producer, and the core of a talented hip hop producer is drum arrangements, But i wouldn't say he's melodically challenged either, but first its the beat then the melody, As aproducer myself i have to say i don't work like that, i generate melodies first and leave the drum arrangement for last, but every producer has his quirks, i know in hip hop the beat is the core, after that you can lay a sample, chord arrangements, whatever you want on top of it, but first is the beat. I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Ellie said: Well I think it's a damn shame that he's auditioning people with beats. It used to be that Michael would come up with a melody and work around that. SInce when have "beats" been the element to measure how good a producer is? Ugh, don't answer that, it's too sad
Well Will.I.Am is a hip hop producer, and the core of a talented hip hop producer is drum arrangements, But i wouldn't say he's melodically challenged either, but first its the beat then the melody, As aproducer myself i have to say i don't work like that, i generate melodies first and leave the drum arrangement for last, but every producer has his quirks, i know in hip hop the beat is the core, after that you can lay a sample, chord arrangements, whatever you want on top of it, but first is the beat. that's not how hip hop producers work. 99% just sample then add a shitty simple drum beat. Timbaland has made songs that have been singles in 15 minutes! Hardly any take time the come up with an original drum arrangment that's not dictated by the sample! | |
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mikek1 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Well Will.I.Am is a hip hop producer, and the core of a talented hip hop producer is drum arrangements, But i wouldn't say he's melodically challenged either, but first its the beat then the melody, As aproducer myself i have to say i don't work like that, i generate melodies first and leave the drum arrangement for last, but every producer has his quirks, i know in hip hop the beat is the core, after that you can lay a sample, chord arrangements, whatever you want on top of it, but first is the beat. that's not how hip hop producers work. 99% just sample then add a shitty simple drum beat. Timbaland has made songs that have been singles in 15 minutes! Hardly any take time the come up with an original drum arrangment that's not dictated by the sample! not true, very few cats use samples now, because its becoming taboo, and precisely because it shows no creativity other than someone elses, but ironically that is the basis of hip hop so its like they're going oaway from their roots, its quite complicated I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: mikek1 said: that's not how hip hop producers work. 99% just sample then add a shitty simple drum beat. Timbaland has made songs that have been singles in 15 minutes! Hardly any take time the come up with an original drum arrangment that's not dictated by the sample! not true, very few cats use samples now, because its becoming taboo, and precisely because it shows no creativity other than someone elses, but ironically that is the basis of hip hop so its like they're going oaway from their roots, its quite complicated Wrong! kanye west uses samples on EVERY song so does just blaze, alchemist, hi tek, havoc, will i am, dj premier; rza uses samples for nearly every song too. Hi tek said ALL his drums have been sampled! | |
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mikek1 said: EmbattledWarrior said: not true, very few cats use samples now, because its becoming taboo, and precisely because it shows no creativity other than someone elses, but ironically that is the basis of hip hop so its like they're going oaway from their roots, its quite complicated Wrong! kanye west uses samples on EVERY song so does just blaze, alchemist, hi tek, havoc, will i am, dj premier; rza uses samples for nearly every song too. Hi tek said ALL his drums have been sampled! i never said about drums man everyone in the industry uses sampled drums they're are no copyrights on drum pattern im talking about snippets from other songs your just talkin bout drum loops and Kanye is like one of the only kats other than ditty that still do it and he catches hell for it alot. sampling is becoming a tired trade I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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People shouldn't be able to steal drum patterns though, don't you agree? | |
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By the time the horde of 'popular-at-the-moment' producers get hold of any tunes Michael has, they will be utterly stripped of any originality.
By the time Michael actually releases the album, the producers will be 'not-so-popular-at-the-moment' and all the songs will sound dated. Until MJ forgets the charts and makes a straight-up, organic soul album, we will never hear anything original from him IMO. | |
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I am going to wait for the release to pass any judgement on what is being done. I can only say that I can´t wait till this gets out. I miss Michael and his approach to his art.
BTW I love the guitar hook. It´s cool. [Edited 11/5/06 13:45pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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NewMr7 said:[quote....we will never hear anything original from him IMO.[/quote]
I agree with that. |
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mikek1 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Well Will.I.Am is a hip hop producer, and the core of a talented hip hop producer is drum arrangements, But i wouldn't say he's melodically challenged either, but first its the beat then the melody, As aproducer myself i have to say i don't work like that, i generate melodies first and leave the drum arrangement for last, but every producer has his quirks, i know in hip hop the beat is the core, after that you can lay a sample, chord arrangements, whatever you want on top of it, but first is the beat. that's not how hip hop producers work. 99% just sample then add a shitty simple drum beat. Timbaland has made songs that have been singles in 15 minutes! Hardly any take time the come up with an original drum arrangment that's not dictated by the sample! Actually, more hip-hop producers over the past few years have started to bring in outside musicians...And as much as Kanye samples, he also brings in folks like Fiona Apple's producer Jon Brion ( who co-produced a lot of Kanye's last album) to inject live strings, guitars and and pianos...Producers even create their own snares and bass drums...And Timbaland in the past has mixed sampling with live playing...In fact Timbaland rarely samples nowadays....There are some producers that still sample obsure stuff like Hi-Tek and the like, but they're few and far between...The only reason sampling is not done as much these days is because of the mammoth amount of royalties you have to pay... As for a lot of the southern producers, they rarely use samples...(Most of the production is played out on keyboards)...Whether or not you think they are talented is another discussion...But most of the stuff is indeed played out on keys... [Edited 11/5/06 16:10pm] | |
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I'm really glad he's focussing on music again!  | |
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Ellie said: Well I think it's a damn shame that he's auditioning people with beats. It used to be that Michael would come up with a melody and work around that. SInce when have "beats" been the element to measure how good a producer is? Ugh, don't answer that, it's too sad
Alot of producers make beats that they think might fit the artists they're currently working with, or want to work with in the future. Nothing new. That still doesn't mean they don't sit down and work on new material. | |
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mikek1 said: People shouldn't be able to steal drum patterns though, don't you agree?
Wrong! People need to buy a hardware (MPC) or software (FL Studio) drum machine and learn how to create their own drum patterns. And better yet (if they can soundproof their house/apartment/flat), People need to learn how to play some freaking live drum kits for a change! | |
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TonyVanDam said: mikek1 said: People shouldn't be able to steal drum patterns though, don't you agree?
Wrong! People need to buy a hardware (MPC) or software (FL Studio) drum machine and learn how to create their own drum patterns. And better yet (if they can soundproof their house/apartment/flat), People need to learn how to play some freaking live drum kits for a change! Ironically, the MPC is what a lot of hip-hop producers use... [Edited 11/5/06 19:32pm] | |
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IM SOO HAPPY FOR MICHAEL... i love him and i cant wait to hear some new music...
cause im so excited... and maybe i might have a chance to be in his next video... |
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murph said: TonyVanDam said: Wrong! People need to buy a hardware (MPC) or software (FL Studio) drum machine and learn how to create their own drum patterns. And better yet (if they can soundproof their house/apartment/flat), People need to learn how to play some freaking live drum kits for a change! Ironically, the MPC is what a lot of hip-hop producers use... [Edited 11/5/06 19:32pm] .....and they're using it too much like a sampler! It's one thing to sample a drum hit (hell, I do it myself). But it's something else to sample a whole 2 to 16 bars of someone else's drum track, bassline, guitar riffs, or piano notes directly from an album!!! Come on now. That's getting over.  [Edited 11/5/06 20:53pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: murph said: Ironically, the MPC is what a lot of hip-hop producers use... [Edited 11/5/06 19:32pm] .....and they're using it too much like a sampler! It's one thing to sample a drum hit (hell, I do it myself). But it's something else to sample a whole 2 to 16 bars of someone else's drum track, bassline, guitar riffs, or piano notes directly from an album!!! Come on now. That's getting over.
[Edited 11/5/06 20:53pm] yah i agree but as long as their copyrights on drums, people wills teal other peoples drum patterns... drum patterns are not known as a creative outlet.... yet... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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murph said: TonyVanDam said: Wrong! People need to buy a hardware (MPC) or software (FL Studio) drum machine and learn how to create their own drum patterns. And better yet (if they can soundproof their house/apartment/flat), People need to learn how to play some freaking live drum kits for a change! Ironically, the MPC is what a lot of hip-hop producers use... [Edited 11/5/06 19:32pm] even more ironic is people railing against drum machines on a Prince site. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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NewMr7 said: By the time the horde of 'popular-at-the-moment' producers get hold of any tunes Michael has, they will be utterly stripped of any originality.
By the time Michael actually releases the album, the producers will be 'not-so-popular-at-the-moment' and all the songs will sound dated. Until MJ forgets the charts and makes a straight-up, organic soul album, we will never hear anything original from him IMO. I think you are all misinterpreting Michael's decision to work with Will.I.Am. It's not about charting. What's Michael got to prove? He's got the biggest selling album in history, he's sold 185 million albums around the world. He's had 13 #1 hits. He's had enough chart success. In the AH interview, Michael said he choose Will because he's making "innovative, positive great music at the moment". Will also told Michael that he wants to create tracks like the Off The Wall album. I think Will is perfect for Michael. He wants to dial it back to Off The Wall, and that would be so frickin awesome because that's Michael's best album by far. I listen to it more than Thriller. Michael's got to have someone who can bring out the Off The Wall/Thriller in him. Back in the early 80s, that someone was Quincy Jones. Now, that person could very well be Will.I.Am. [Edited 11/7/06 2:31am] | |
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DarlingDiana said: NewMr7 said: By the time the horde of 'popular-at-the-moment' producers get hold of any tunes Michael has, they will be utterly stripped of any originality.
By the time Michael actually releases the album, the producers will be 'not-so-popular-at-the-moment' and all the songs will sound dated. Until MJ forgets the charts and makes a straight-up, organic soul album, we will never hear anything original from him IMO. I think you are all misinterpreting Michael's decision to work with Will.I.Am. It's not about charting. What's Michael got to prove? He's got the biggest selling album in history, he's sold 185 million albums around the world. He's had 13 #1 hits. He's had enough chart success. In the AH interview, Michael said he choose Will because he's making "innovative, positive great music at the moment". Will also told Michael that he wants to create tracks like the Off The Wall album. I think Will is perfect for Michael. He wants to dial it back to Off The Wall, and that would be so frickin awesome because that's Michael's best album by far. I listen to it more than Thriller. Michael's got to have someone who can bring out the Off The Wall/Thriller in him. Back in the early 80s, that someone was Quincy Jones. Now, that person could very well be Will.I.Am. Will.I.Am is no Quincy Jones.Unless of course,you think "My Humps" is on par with "Rock With You" or "Billie Jean",lol. | |
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SoulAlive said: DarlingDiana said: I think you are all misinterpreting Michael's decision to work with Will.I.Am. It's not about charting. What's Michael got to prove? He's got the biggest selling album in history, he's sold 185 million albums around the world. He's had 13 #1 hits. He's had enough chart success. In the AH interview, Michael said he choose Will because he's making "innovative, positive great music at the moment". Will also told Michael that he wants to create tracks like the Off The Wall album. I think Will is perfect for Michael. He wants to dial it back to Off The Wall, and that would be so frickin awesome because that's Michael's best album by far. I listen to it more than Thriller. Michael's got to have someone who can bring out the Off The Wall/Thriller in him. Back in the early 80s, that someone was Quincy Jones. Now, that person could very well be Will.I.Am. Will.I.Am is no Quincy Jones.Unless of course,you think "My Humps" is on par with "Rock With You" or "Billie Jean",lol.Michael Jackson produced Billie Jean. Anyway, one song cannot define a producers entire works. What Will.I.Am can do with the Black Eyed Peas could be completly different to what he can do with Michael Jackson. That track that he plays for Michael during the AH interview sounds nothing like BEP. | |
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DarlingDiana said: NewMr7 said: By the time the horde of 'popular-at-the-moment' producers get hold of any tunes Michael has, they will be utterly stripped of any originality.
By the time Michael actually releases the album, the producers will be 'not-so-popular-at-the-moment' and all the songs will sound dated. Until MJ forgets the charts and makes a straight-up, organic soul album, we will never hear anything original from him IMO. I think you are all misinterpreting Michael's decision to work with Will.I.Am. It's not about charting. What's Michael got to prove? He's got the biggest selling album in history, he's sold 185 million albums around the world. He's had 13 #1 hits. He's had enough chart success. In the AH interview, Michael said he choose Will because he's making "innovative, positive great music at the moment". Will also told Michael that he wants to create tracks like the Off The Wall album. I think Will is perfect for Michael. He wants to dial it back to Off The Wall, and that would be so frickin awesome because that's Michael's best album by far. I listen to it more than Thriller. Michael's got to have someone who can bring out the Off The Wall/Thriller in him. Back in the early 80s, that someone was Quincy Jones. Now, that person could very well be Will.I.Am. [Edited 11/7/06 2:31am] Couldn't disagree more. Of course choosing him is about charting, his music doesnt sound too innovating to me. And if he wants to 'dial it back to Off The Wall' thats even worse. I wish Michael would just make his own music without producers and especially without co-writers (as most of my most favourite songs by Michael are the ones he wrote himself) and without trying to fit in with the current music scene and just writing honest to god great melody driven pop songs. Invincible was atrocious because of it. I'm a huge Michael fan but I've now just lost the last shred of faith in him that he will make good music again. | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: Will.I.Am is no Quincy Jones.Unless of course,you think "My Humps" is on par with "Rock With You" or "Billie Jean",lol.Michael Jackson produced Billie Jean. Anyway, one song cannot define a producers entire works. What Will.I.Am can do with the Black Eyed Peas could be completly different to what he can do with Michael Jackson. That track that he plays for Michael during the AH interview sounds nothing like BEP. wrong he wrote billy Jean and made a demo Quincy Produced the final cut I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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