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PrintableSupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sallysassalot said: sonya still hasn't mailed it.  i'm gonna cut her some slack, though, since she is doing her doctor's residency and could probably give two turds about a cd.
as a side note, though, i have to say my biggest beef with what i've heard so far is that she puts me on the defensive. and not in a good way. i disagree with a lot of things natalie merchant says. tori amos, prince, michael stipe...i hold different views from all of them. yet i don't feel insulted nor do i get defensive when they speak their mind in the work they produce. something about me'shell's style, i don't know, it bugs me. sometimes that can be good. so far, with regard to her, it hasn't been. rather than encourage me to dive into her philosophy or perspective, she leaves me switching the disc. You have to provide examples cuz I need to know what is hitting you the wrong way. First people say she blames whitey (not you necessarily) and then when she takes her own community to task, it aint good enough. You have a mental block that needs to be shat the hell out of your mind. If it's your religous hysterics, get a grip and bone out if you need to there was a thread i started a few months back and peeps listed a ton of tracks. i checked most of them out. i don't remember track names cuz, frankly, i'm just too busy these days to get caught up in all that. some of them, the lyrics were cool but the music was not my cuppa. most tracks that i listened to, though, just annoyed me. lots of pointing out the problems but little suggestions toward accomplishing change. i'm not saying she doesn't offer alternatives, i'm just saying her bitching is louder than her offers of solution. that bugs me. | |
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whats up folks...
so here's my 2 cents...as mentioned before i'm cool with folks not loving Meshells stuff as much as i do...i really am. As long as they've given it a fair in-depth listen first. ...if they give her stuff a fair listen and it STILL doesn't move them, i'll just chalk that up to them being in a different space than me...and i'm cool with that. buuuuut... what i am not understanding is the amount focus on Meshells 'alledgedly' controversial and or critical lyrics. Look...personally, i find all of her critical lyrics very compelling and powerful...whether i do or don't share her same perspective, her honesty and fearlesness is absolutely refreshing intriguing and pulls me into those types of tunes...but the thing is, most of her catalogue isn't those types of tunes...most of her catalogue is really about loving...falling in love, being in love, falling out of love, being hurt by love, loving the earth, loving your family, loving those who are different than you, loving being alive...if you look at the entirety of her stuff, thats what most of it is about....so lets keep our perspective here. Yes, she does also sometimes hold a mirror to us all on many other levels too...socially, spiritually, sexually...but that's a good thing in my opinion...a needed thing...but again, that is not all that she's about if you listen to the full breadth of her work... i understand that sometimes folks might hear some 'inflamatory' type of lyrics and automatically get a reaction from them that then doesn't allow them to get down to the roots of what a song is really saying...i think there are several Meshell tunes that might have that effect on some people sometimes...again, i understand where that might come from...but i encourage listeners to take their time and get to the soul of it all...getting to the soul of things can be enlightining, it can be joyful, it can be painful, it can be eye opening...but if nothing else, the way meshell goes about trying to express it, it will make you feel...if nothing else she is supremely skilled at stripping down fronts and walls and getting to the pure emotion of things...good or bad painful or joyous...she'll take you on a journey to the raw essense of it... to me for the most part meshell doesn't 'write songs' per se' in the typical sense that most musical performers these days do...for me, instead what Meshell does so well is do her best to reflect and re-create the naked rawest of inner emotions & feelings sonically in the most honest way possible... and for me, thats the most powerful thing that any music can do... . [Edited 11/1/06 18:23pm] | |
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Illustrator said: I can't drop my crutches.
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Lovely review supa ~ I love your passion about great music and your generosity in sharing. BTW ~ watch orgnotes for an update on what you've sent to me!  Music is the language of the spirit. It opens the secret of life bringing peace, abolishing strife. --Kahlil Gibran | |
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I love her music, but I tend to stay away from reading interviews with her. Her negative attitude is a turnoff. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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i'm 'upping' this because the original post & review was so kickass... [Edited 11/4/06 2:54am] | |
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I also hate her. Sike. I love her. I got some live thing she did in Rome earlier this year with the same band and it is fantastic. | |
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minneapolisgenius said: There are Me'Shell haters?
 yeah...ive never heard these arguements...guess im lucky. Space for sale... | |
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KidOmega said: I love her music, but I tend to stay away from reading interviews with her. Her negative attitude is a turnoff.
OK, can you or anyone point me in the direction of one of these negative and or hateful interviews? It is my guess, and this is absolutely the case for me, that her biggest fans find her as advocate in one way or another. Being someone who has found themselves on the fringes of social acceptance growing up, I am incredibly drawn to her willingness and ability to fight for who she is in total and complete openness and truth. She has to have experienced the worst in her life.....feared for being a nigger, feared for being a bitch, feared for being a faggot. Of course, that is not how I view her but she is aware that there are those out there who do view her that way (and by extension, view us that way) and I am thankful that she is willing to take up the sword and shield and stand up for what she believes. If you consider this hateful, I would suggest you put yourself in her shoes..... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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justhemusic said: whats up folks...
so here's my 2 cents...as mentioned before i'm cool with folks not loving Meshells stuff as much as i do...i really am. As long as they've given it a fair in-depth listen first. ...if they give her stuff a fair listen and it STILL doesn't move them, i'll just chalk that up to them being in a different space than me...and i'm cool with that. buuuuut... what i am not understanding is the amount focus on Meshells 'alledgedly' controversial and or critical lyrics. Look...personally, i find all of her critical lyrics very compelling and powerful...whether i do or don't share her same perspective, her honesty and fearlesness is absolutely refreshing intriguing and pulls me into those types of tunes...but the thing is, most of her catalogue isn't those types of tunes...most of her catalogue is really about loving...falling in love, being in love, falling out of love, being hurt by love, loving the earth, loving your family, loving those who are different than you, loving being alive...if you look at the entirety of her stuff, thats what most of it is about....so lets keep our perspective here. Yes, she does also sometimes hold a mirror to us all on many other levels too...socially, spiritually, sexually...but that's a good thing in my opinion...a needed thing...but again, that is not all that she's about if you listen to the full breadth of her work... i understand that sometimes folks might hear some 'inflamatory' type of lyrics and automatically get a reaction from them that then doesn't allow them to get down to the roots of what a song is really saying...i think there are several Meshell tunes that might have that effect on some people sometimes...again, i understand where that might come from...but i encourage listeners to take their time and get to the soul of it all...getting to the soul of things can be enlightining, it can be joyful, it can be painful, it can be eye opening...but if nothing else, the way meshell goes about trying to express it, it will make you feel...if nothing else she is supremely skilled at stripping down fronts and walls and getting to the pure emotion of things...good or bad painful or joyous...she'll take you on a journey to the raw essense of it... to me for the most part meshell doesn't 'write songs' per se' in the typical sense that most musical performers these days do...for me, instead what Meshell does so well is do her best to reflect and re-create the naked rawest of inner emotions & feelings sonically in the most honest way possible... and for me, thats the most powerful thing that any music can do... . [Edited 11/1/06 18:23pm]  
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She beats Prince, and that is all that counts. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: I love her music, but I tend to stay away from reading interviews with her. Her negative attitude is a turnoff.
OK, can you or anyone point me in the direction of one of these negative and or hateful interviews? It is my guess, and this is absolutely the case for me, that her biggest fans find her as advocate in one way or another. Being someone who has found themselves on the fringes of social acceptance growing up, I am incredibly drawn to her willingness and ability to fight for who she is in total and complete openness and truth. She has to have experienced the worst in her life.....feared for being a nigger, feared for being a bitch, feared for being a faggot. Of course, that is not how I view her but she is aware that there are those out there who do view her that way (and by extension, view us that way) and I am thankful that she is willing to take up the sword and shield and stand up for what she believes. If you consider this hateful, I would suggest you put yourself in her shoes..... i'm gay too. and i love her music too. she just gets on my damn nerves. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, can you or anyone point me in the direction of one of these negative and or hateful interviews? It is my guess, and this is absolutely the case for me, that her biggest fans find her as advocate in one way or another. Being someone who has found themselves on the fringes of social acceptance growing up, I am incredibly drawn to her willingness and ability to fight for who she is in total and complete openness and truth. She has to have experienced the worst in her life.....feared for being a nigger, feared for being a bitch, feared for being a faggot. Of course, that is not how I view her but she is aware that there are those out there who do view her that way (and by extension, view us that way) and I am thankful that she is willing to take up the sword and shield and stand up for what she believes. If you consider this hateful, I would suggest you put yourself in her shoes..... i'm gay too. and i love her music too. she just gets on my damn nerves. I have to know why. Are you a guilt laden closet case like other Christians around here? I2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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2freaky4church1 said: She beats Prince, and that is all that counts.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: i'm gay too. and i love her music too. she just gets on my damn nerves. I have to know why. Are you a guilt laden closet case like other Christians around here? Inot even close. it's the chip on her shoulder. i often have the same problem reading interviews with Prince. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I have to know why. Are you a guilt laden closet case like other Christians around here? Inot even close. it's the chip on her shoulder. i often have the same problem reading interviews with Prince. chip on her shoulder? Do you blame her if she did? As a woman, as a black woman, as a black gay woman..... would you? Really, I don't see that she has a "chip". Does she take shit to task? Yes. But she does so responsibly. If you can find an interview or an example of her lyrics where you feel this "chip" is most present, I would love to know what it is so we can discuss it. . [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: not even close. it's the chip on her shoulder. i often have the same problem reading interviews with Prince. chip on her shoulder? Do you blame her if she did? As a woman, as a black woman, as a black gay woman..... would you? Really, I don't see that she has a "chip". Does she take shit to task? Yes. But she does so responsibly. If you can find an interview or an example of her lyrics where you feel this "chip" is most present, I would love to know what it is so we can discuss it. . [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] she gets on my nerves. you need to get over that. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: chip on her shoulder? Do you blame her if she did? As a woman, as a black woman, as a black gay woman..... would you? Really, I don't see that she has a "chip". Does she take shit to task? Yes. But she does so responsibly. If you can find an interview or an example of her lyrics where you feel this "chip" is most present, I would love to know what it is so we can discuss it. . [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] [Edited 11/6/06 18:55pm] she gets on my nerves. you need to get over that. Good grief. If it's that bad, get the fuck off this thread 
So much for discussion
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: she gets on my nerves. you need to get over that. Good grief. If it's that bad, get the fuck off this thread
So much for discussion
[Edited 11/6/06 19:11pm] [Edited 11/6/06 19:12pm] I assume you started the thread because you were looking for people's comments and opinions. Otherwise, just write it in your blog. I love the woman's talent and music. She just gets on my nerves. You aren't going to change that. All you're going to accomplish is getting on my nerves yourself. 
It isn't your job to try to change my mind about something so irrelevant. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Good grief. If it's that bad, get the fuck off this thread
So much for discussion
[Edited 11/6/06 19:11pm] [Edited 11/6/06 19:12pm] I assume you started the thread because you were looking for people's comments and opinions. Otherwise, just write it in your blog. I love the woman's talent and music. She just gets on my nerves. You aren't going to change that. All you're going to accomplish is getting on my nerves yourself.
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wow...what the heck's goin on up in here 
hey...look...it sounds like some of ya'll like meshells music but have issues with some of the things she says in her interviews? do i have that right? Look, i'm cool with that to a degree. As long as folks aren't letting one thing taint your opinion the other so much as to close yourself off to it, then i'm cool with that. I'm kinda the same way in general really... i don't have to agree with or even like an artist to enjoy what they create. as for meshell, i do tend to enjoy hearing her perspective in interviews (again, wether i agree with them to the same level as she does or not, they always seem interesting and very open, unfiltered & sincere). You can tell she is one of those very passionate artists...oh she can be volotile no doubt about it, and won't pull any punches... ...in interviews she often says what she feels very directly and openly (which i appreciate, but i know it can put some folks off)...she never hid the fact that she was on bad terms with her old label for a while and expressed that openly in interviews...she put it all out there for a while...bad or good...on a Sessions at 54th interview where she questioned her own motivations for continuing to create music (as a reflection/critic of self and society? as expressor and sharer of the the good the bad & the ugly? Just because it makes her happy to create? Should she be concerned about commercial gains or lack thereof?).... ...i will say that sometimes in interviews, she seems to have some trouble trying to expound on and express her thoughts completely...sometimes what you'll get is bits and pieces of what she is really trying to express...then she'll sometimes get a tad frustrated with herself for not being able to find the right words and she may clam-up a bit and come off as aloof...and so, in those instances, maybe the 'whole' picture isn't completely painted in those interviews. (i think she's more comfortable doing her 'whole picture painting' in her songs instead i suppose:) but yeah she can be volitile sometimes...but as an interview subject she reminds me of some other vibrant volitile and amazing artists (Miles Davis and Marvin Gaye come to mind for me...some interviews of Meshell remind me of some interviews with them)... but enough of me running my trap... as long as folks are giving the music a fair deal thats all i care about really... And, in no way trying to change anyones mind, but i too would love to know which particular inteview(s) have turned folks off to such a degree? Maybe i missed that one and I'm just curious as to what it was that set people off... much music, much love ya'll... | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Good grief. If it's that bad, get the fuck off this thread
So much for discussion
[Edited 11/6/06 19:11pm] [Edited 11/6/06 19:12pm] I assume you started the thread because you were looking for people's comments and opinions. Otherwise, just write it in your blog. I love the woman's talent and music. She just gets on my nerves. You aren't going to change that. All you're going to accomplish is getting on my nerves yourself.
It isn't your job to try to change my mind about something so irrelevant. Irrelevant? It's obviously very relevant if you can't even discuss YOUR issue. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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and i'm with supafunky...theres nothing wrong with discussing things, and no ones opinions have to change at all...but discussing the different perspectives, the 'whats, whys and how comes'... discussing the details of the differences is what makes things...well...interesting...its a good thing. [Edited 11/7/06 12:00pm] | |
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justhemusic said: and i'm with supafunky...theres nothing wrong with discussing things, and no ones opinions have to change at all...but discussing the different perspectives, the 'whats, whys and how comes'... discussing the details of the differences is what makes things...well...interesting...its a good thing.
[Edited 11/7/06 12:00pm] That's really all I wanted! Sorry for being such a cunt but damn 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: I assume you started the thread because you were looking for people's comments and opinions. Otherwise, just write it in your blog. I love the woman's talent and music. She just gets on my nerves. You aren't going to change that. All you're going to accomplish is getting on my nerves yourself.
It isn't your job to try to change my mind about something so irrelevant. Irrelevant? It's obviously very relevant if you can't even discuss YOUR issue. why would i discuss it with you? you started insulting me and making inacurate acusations right off the bat. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Irrelevant? It's obviously very relevant if you can't even discuss YOUR issue. why would i discuss it with you? you started insulting me and making inacurate acusations right off the bat. I tried to engage you THREE TIMES!. I was genuinely curious as to what specifically you had a problem with because in the one star reviews I saw on Amazon.com the person cited the titles of the songs as racist, obviously referring to Deuteronomy: Niggerman and that song isn't racist at all. you were the one who decided to dig your heels in the sand so I wondered aloud why in the heck you were here if you were that bothered. I aplogize in the spirit of sparking discussion 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: KidOmega said: why would i discuss it with you? you started insulting me and making inacurate acusations right off the bat. I tried to engage you THREE TIMES!. this is the second thing you said to me: Are you a guilt laden closet case like other Christians around here?
and this is the fourth thing you said to me: Good grief. If it's that bad, get the fuck off this thread
obviously you're more interested in hearing yourself talk than discussing anything. yeah, that's real engaging. "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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Obviously if I apologized for being such a bitch I am interested in more than hearing myself talk. I wanted to hear what you had to say. If you don't want to accept my apology, fine. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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