She acts like she's ashamed of them. I remember "Say You Do" and "Don't Stand Another Chance" being very popular at the time. I think they even did fairly well on the R&B charts. I guess if it doesn't cross over to the pop charts it was a failure in her book.

CinisterCee said:

vainandy said:

My pre-Control cut is "Young Love"... I've seen an old clip of her miming that one for American Bandstand - how successful was it?

VinnyM27 said:

You make me laugh... Yeah... Okie dokie...

BUT Have you ever seen Bette Midler's show? I've heard her most recent tour was just a hoot.

I saw one of her old tours on Showtime or HBO.. a long time ago when she used to sing with the Harletts??? or Whorelett's I can't remember. I'm telling you she was more urban than you might think in a weird sort of way.

I guess I'm just talking about more in thematic sense.. and the fact that Bette had sort of this down-scale but at the same time larger than life performance. I'm not talking about Janet becoming a comediannne though--just more theatrical.

CinisterCee said:

Of her PC (Pre-"Control") years, "Young Love" was probably her biggest hit (and no wonder....it was a fun little number). It hit a very impressive number 6 on the R&B charts and number 64 on the pop charts. "Come Give Your Love To Me" hit lower on the R&B charts but a little higher (58) on the pop charts, but it's hard to say if that means it really sold better to the pop audience...might've been a slower week. "Young Love" is probably the most defintive track of her early years.

VinnyM27 said:

Hey Thanks for weighing in I mean I don't remember hearing the song, and I also thought it was the most definitive track from the early years.

Does anyone remember Two To The Power of Love with Cliff Richards? I liked Cliff but always wondered how the two of them got hooked up for a duet?

I loved the extended version of Say You Do but it was Come Give Your Love to Me was my jam. It was co-written by Charmaine Sylvers of the Sylvers. Foster did some work on that album too.

musicman said:

Some journalist recently asked Janet if she acknowleges her first albums, she said she does, howevere she says those were songs she was made to sing and didn't want to do.

She says Control is when she was truely doing her own thing. So I guess that means she won't be reaching back past the 20 years.

Let's face it. If this CD flops, people will still want to see her. The reason, there are people out there who still wanna hear her do, "Control, "Blackcat", and all of her other "old" songs. I remember when I went to see Prince here in '04, there were some who said that they were going only because he was going to do his "old standards"....If he did something new, that was just an added bonus. Janet, although she looks great, has kinda lost that "shine" she has IMO. Her music has not grown as much as she has. As much as I hate to say it, and as much as I will get flac for this, I still play Beyonce's CD before Janet's. To me, hers sounds more alive, more edgy. Janet sounds as though she has become complacent with herself and her sound. She just sounds.....blah!!

any word on second week sales? hits daily double hasn't updated all day.

JackieBlue said:

VinnyM27 said:

Yeah... ya know since Janet wants to go into acting--why not incorporate that acting in the tour in a way? The dancers could even play characters. Or if it's too difficult to create a universal theme, maybe each number could be a sort of vignette-- or story within itself--each with a theme or message, but still presented in more of sequential type way within the tour overall, ya know--with a climax and resolution. It would definitely be a risk because some fans probably wouldn't buy into Janet the same way they do Madonna. But it might be a risk worth taking because it could show that Janet has more talent than a lot of people give her credit for. It would really be a starting point of taking her career in another direction while still holding on and even returning to some elements that make her Janet.

I wanted to edit my preceding message--"society overacts to trivial stuff," while avoiding real issues and real problems that might contribute to the overreaction in the first place.

She could do a satire... addressing stuff. It would be really interesting I think. She does all those interludes.. why not somehow incorporate that as well--but more in a theatrical way. She really has all the ingredients.. it's a matter of putting thinking of a theme and putting it together with the intent of saying something through entertainment. In fact, it might be interesting to still profess NOT to be attempting to say something, but do so anyway, ya know??
Sort of like Silence also having a message--maybe the most strongest messages of all because sometimes there is no other way of expressing an emotion?
^^Actually, that could be the resolution. The whole content could be how she came to that point.

It could be a restrospective a career in a way.. messages.. including real-life issues. It would interesting to use some songs she treated lightly on her other tours as a backdrop like countering the lightness of Escapade with maybe some of the negative she's encountered on her travels. She could do a whole new take on RN, ya know? In fact, maybe she could open with RN... but the content of her show would be how that is an ideal.. that the reality of working toward that ideal is quite different and a struggle.

Yeah... I have some ideas. But they are so different. This is the only site I can post them.
[Edited 10/7/06 9:57am]

I remember her using that excuse a few years ago on a documentary, I think it was maybe "Intimate Portrait" on the Lifetime Network. She said her father was controlling her completely on the first two albums. I find that hard to believe because on the same show, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were talking about the first time they met her father. He told them he did not want his daughter sounding like Prince. Well, she worked with Jesse Johnson on her second album in 1984 and he was still in the Prince camp at the time. If her father felt this way about her sounding like Prince, I would think he would have raised holy hell about her working with Jesse Johnson.

I don't doubt her father was controlling a lot of the shots on those first two albums but I see some lies in her "alibi" that don't add up.

CHIC0 said:

I have the vinyl single to it... if she ever does another UK store signing I wanna take it for her to sign for a laugh
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sallysassalot said:

Numbers don't finish coming in until tomorrow.
The projection stands at 90-100k second week.

sallysassalot said:

Numbers don't finish coming in until tomorrow.
The projection stands at 90-100k second week.

jayaredee said:

i know when they finish but they usually start coming in at 5 minute intervals at hitsdailydouble.com every monday.

thanks, though, for the projected figures.

jayaredee said:

Thanks, jay for the numbers.

Is that good? Is it good enough to keep her in the top ten?

Well I'm sort of sad..

It's just difficult to see an artist hit a slump it that's what this is.

I have to keep telling myself that Janet is a multimillionaire. She was in PARIS (and maybe still is) while I'm working... Janet is going to be just fine regardless.

But I guess I'm just sad for myself because I was hoping that this era would be different.... I'm really beginning to think that there might not even be a promo tour much less a formal one... She's scheduled for a tour in March... so maybe she'll just do it for her fans.. like one last hurrah??? (for a while...)

Oh boy....

Isel said:

She'll most likely still be in the top 10.
I think the problem is the lack of support on pop radio stations. She's definately getting a lot of attention on urban radio. I doubt the MTV ban has much to do with this.

vainandy said:

My pre-Control cut is "Young Love"... I've seen an old clip of her miming that one for American Bandstand - how successful was it?