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PrintableAs far as I know, no-one made any $80m investment. The figures for these contracts quoted are only the "potential worth" of them. Sony didn't give Michael $890m in 1991, EMI didn't give Robbie Williams £80m. It's just a bunch of figures thrown together made up of advances per album and promotion/recording budgets etc. [Edited 10/6/06 7:01am] | |
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SoulAlive said: Isel said: Well. just so you know.. I used to work for an attorney. In fact, I thought about becoming an attorney at one time. Suffice to say, there is a lot that the public doesn't "see" as far as high-profile cases. I don't believe in judging a person's guilt or innocence by the media. Well...it's one thing to make observations about dynamics.. but I don't believe in trial by media. I'll leave it at that. notably,she made these comments before the most recent trial.When some folks in the audience gasped,she said "Oh come on...if he was innocent,he would not have paid that first boy off".But yeah,I agree with you. Yeah.. but this is why Rosie has annoyed me in the past: things are always so much more complicated than they appear. As far as the pay-off or whatever it was the first time around.. well maybe Michael was advised that this was the best way to handle it? I don't know because I really didn't follow it that much; however, there are plea-bargains, settlements, compromises, etc., made all of the time--and not just to cover-up someone's guilt either. It's more about the innocent being afraid of going through the process. It's really easy to say well if you're innocent why should you be afraid--but the reality of the process is quite another matter. It's an intimidating and daunting task, particularly when the media is so quick to judge. And it's not just the media: the general public is very quick to judge as well. Hey, if there was enough evidence for a trial,then a case wouldn't go the distance to begin with--it wouldn't get that far. So observers--not necessarily the jury-- are more more inclined to convict than acquit when a case gets to the trial stage. Sooo with the limited information that I know--that we all know to a certain degree--I couldn't come to any conclusions about that. So how can Rosie, really? In fact, didn't Rosie support Martha Stewart in spite of her conviction? I didn't follow Martha's case either... I read about high profile cases, but I just don't invest a lot of time coming to conclusions in regard to guilt or innocence. Well she was willing to give Martha Stewart the benefit of the doubt: why not Michael? One more thing before this becomes a heated discussion--I'm also quite aware that court system makes mistakes... that the system suffers from the same problems from our society suffers to a certain extent. Soo it's just so complicated. That's all I know for sure. [Edited 10/6/06 7:23am] | |
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This has nothing to do with Janet but I loathe Rosie O'Donnell. I really do. She is an obnoxious opinionated @#&%. She always has so much to say about everyone else's business and life and yet it seems she spent putting up a false front to the public. Who is she to comment on anyone? I was so thankful the day Tom Selleck stood up to her. I heard Barbara Walters is regretting her joining The View and while I don't care about that crap show either I hope she gets fired or at best the cause of their cancellation.  [Edited 10/6/06 7:28am] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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sallysassalot said: Isel said: I don't know anything about the music industry, but in a way this does make sense, but then again if they would allow a cd to "flop," how would Virgin, for example, recoup their 80 million dollar investment? first, they've made that 80 million dollar investment back already with janet., the velvet rope, and all for you. don't you wonder why they stopped marketing her after all for you? they released some dvds and that's it. second, the label is gonna make sure they don't have any losses. janet has to pay for studio time, she has to pay for distribution, she has to pay for advertising, she has to pay for the tour (minus any sponsors), etc, etc. that money gets put upfront by virgin but it comes out of janet's $80 million deal. think about the cost of advertising, alone...per album. so in the end, virgin's really just putting out half of that figure, if that (which is still a lot of cash). if a cd costs 10 bucks at its cheapest, and they sell 6 million cds worldwide, that's 60 million bucks. now true, they have to take a small percentage out of that to pay janet some royalties but the large bulk of it belongs to virgin. that's how they recoup their 80 million dollar investmen. What was the deal with the Dixie Chicks? Didn't they say the make the most money from their tours? That's how they generate sales and earn a profit even though their cd's might debut at #1? That's why I don't understand the reasons for Janet not touring? Is it because the overhead for her tours is so high compared to other artists? Don't most artists like the Peppers.. the Dixie Chicks... even Bette Midler had a hugely successful tour even though her cd's have not charted in the pop category for a while now? Isn't touring a way to promote a cd? | |
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Maybe because her productions are so big? She could stand to get rid of 12 or 13 of those dancers and the entire Escapade circus medley. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Maybe because her productions are so big? She could stand to get rid of 12 or 13 of those dancers and the entire Escapade circus medley.
uh uh! janet needs to keep all her dancers! that's her thing. the escapade circus medley can go. | |
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JackieBlue said: Maybe because her productions are so big? She could stand to get rid of 12 or 13 of those dancers and the entire Escapade circus medley.
Yeah that's what I thought.  But Betty Midler's tour was very "musical theatre" from what I've read. Maybe Janet could scale it down a bit??
sallysassalot said: uh uh! janet needs to keep all her dancers! that's her thing. the escapade circus medley can go.
 @ the escapade circus medley can go!!!! | |
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sallysassalot said: JackieBlue said: Maybe because her productions are so big? She could stand to get rid of 12 or 13 of those dancers and the entire Escapade circus medley.
uh uh! janet needs to keep all her dancers! that's her thing. the escapade circus medley can go. I want to see her with just 3 or 4 dancers. 'the kids' routine is tired unless she does something really different with them. Escapade medley: be gone Again crocodile tears routine:be gone Rope Burn routine: be gone Hmm, what else can go? Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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She can cut the circus medley thing but not even performing Escapade loses my sale. | |
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She should do a beyonce and get an all female band and sing alone...like a female dog in heat | |
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I can take or leave Escapade at this point but Alright--if she doesn't perform that I'm staring a riot. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: I can take or leave Escapade at this point but Alright--if she doesn't perform that I'm staring a riot.
Really cause when I see that zoot suit, I want to head for the hills! I think DJ has a lot of tracks that would sound great live, possibly better than most of the material from "20 Y.O.". It's time to change things a whole lot! | |
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| She really should throw the zoot suit out but I like the song. I don't think she needs to perform it in full video garb. She could put a different spin on it with some new costumes.
I think she should go way back and do Young Love and OMG if she did Come Give Your Love to Me  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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she needs to do her other hits, rather than the ones she always performs. i.e:
you want this best things in life are free state of the world 24play diamonds because of love etc... and she needs to get rid of the whimsical thing..... get rid of: rhythm nation ( how many times can she do that?) alright runaway again / lets wait awhile melody (she should perform them, but in FULL) | |
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JackieBlue said: Escapade medley: be gone Again crocodile tears routine:be gone Rope Burn routine: be gone Hmm, what else can go? | |
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mancabdriver said: she needs to do her other hits, rather than the ones she always performs. i.e:
you want this best things in life are free state of the world 24play diamonds because of love etc... Those are great suggestions  | |
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she has to perform Take Care | |
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I would love to hear "R&B Junkie" | |
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Better Days would be fab also! | |
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New costumes, sets, cheorography You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis | |
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No:
- the actual song "alright" and the whole old time jazz set thing - the whole circus, fantasy world set but not necessrily the songs she performs in that set - sexed-up interlude - let's wait awhile/again fake ass crying shit Yes: a whole new show. | |
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sallysassalot said: No:
- the actual song "alright" and the whole old time jazz set thing - the whole circus, fantasy world set but not necessrily the songs she performs in that set - sexed-up interlude - let's wait awhile/again fake ass crying shit Yes: a whole new show. Blasphemy! Next u'll demand that she sings LIVE! | |
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MikeMatronik said: sallysassalot said: No:
- the actual song "alright" and the whole old time jazz set thing - the whole circus, fantasy world set but not necessrily the songs she performs in that set - sexed-up interlude - let's wait awhile/again fake ass crying shit Yes: a whole new show. Blasphemy! Next u'll demand that she sings LIVE!
actually i like janet (and madonna) to use a click track. i watch them much more for their dancing than for their singing. | |
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sallysassalot said: MikeMatronik said: Blasphemy! Next u'll demand that she sings LIVE!
actually i like janet (and madonna) to use a click track. i watch them much more for their dancing than for their singing. am i the only person who doesn't mind when performers who do big stage shows don't sing live? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: sallysassalot said:
actually i like janet (and madonna) to use a click track. i watch them much more for their dancing than for their singing. am i the only person who doesn't mind when performers who do big stage shows don't sing live? I don't care for it but if they must I don't want it to sound exactly like the album complete with fade out. I appreciate that Janet at least re-recorded her vocals to sound live or to give some excitement to the mix. To me part of the experience of being at a live show is not just the visual but hearing the instruments and voice of the artist. That's all part of the energy that can only be obtained through a live music setting. Other than that I can watch the video with a strobe light. If an artist can't do both properly, they maybe they shouldn't attempt to do both. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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To quote the great Lauryn Hill.....
"there's always someone there who'll applaud". | |
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mancabdriver said: she needs to do her other hits, rather than the ones she always performs. i.e:
you want this best things in life are free state of the world 24play diamonds because of love etc... and she needs to get rid of the whimsical thing..... get rid of: rhythm nation ( how many times can she do that?) alright runaway again / lets wait awhile melody (she should perform them, but in FULL) I agree with the possible additions (sadly, they won't be considered) and the ommissions other than RN....she has to do it. Songs I'd like to see her do. Do It To Me (possible) Take Care (less possible) Enjoy (depends on whether she listens to fans or Dupri) All Nite (seems like possibly the only promised DJ track) Slo Love (unlikely...not urban enough  )
Just A Little While (actually, the biggest hit from DJ...it would suck if she didn't) | |
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JackieBlue said: ehuffnsd said: am i the only person who doesn't mind when performers who do big stage shows don't sing live? I don't care for it but if they must I don't want it to sound exactly like the album complete with fade out. I appreciate that Janet at least re-recorded her vocals to sound live or to give some excitement to the mix. To me part of the experience of being at a live show is not just the visual but hearing the instruments and voice of the artist. That's all part of the energy that can only be obtained through a live music setting. Other than that I can watch the video with a strobe light. If an artist can't do both properly, they maybe they shouldn't attempt to do both. You know, I saw Janet twice in London in 1993, and I swear she mimed most of the damn show. Not that I actually gave a fuck because I was too busy drooling. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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I want to hear:
The Pleasure Principle Come Back to Me Someday Is Tonight Anytime Anyplace You Want This Got Til It's Gone Go Deep --NOTHING from All 4 U-- Sexhibition Strawberry Bounce R&B Junkie I Want You Like You Don't Love Me Get it Out Me Do it 2 Me With U Enjoy Take Care I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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ThreadBare said: Janet needs to focus on movies. She's a far better actress than she is a music artist.
oh yeah, she was great in "Poetic Justice"..... ..not.  | |
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