Anx said:

That was always mine too, regarding Prince and Hendrix!

Moonbeam said:

too 90's?

Moonbeam said:

And yet, you hate one of their biggest influences, The Beatles?

mrdespues said:

Yup. It's entirely possible to hate The Beatles but like artists they influenced, you know.

Moonbeam said:

i think it's awesome we have an active and certified beatles hatred advocate on this site. it boosts the diversity quotient of the org. preach on with the hateration!

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word

Hello (x 16)

With the lights out its less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us

I feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino

A mosquito
My libido
Yea

Im worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end

And I forget
Just what it takes
And yet I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard
Its hard to find

Oh well, whatever, nevermind

And I forget
Just what it takes
And yet I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard
Its hard to find

Oh well, whatever, nevermind

VinnyM27 said:

Queens of the Stone Age are pretty cool.

mrdespues said:

Yeah, he was pretty clear in his feelings about the Beatles.

But other than the airtight songwriting, I don't HEAR much of their sound rubbing off on Nirvana.

Maybe about the contradictions with fame and success, the longing for it and the repurcussions, the emptiness of it. Seeking fulfillment from the wrong things.


Negating the voice of doubt or a glimpse of wisdom. Nihilism. Fulfilling his own dreary prophecy.

heartbeatocean said:

Those lyrics are not accurate. Your appraisal is nice, though.

mrdespues said:

I got them from lyrics.com or some such place.

mrdespues said:

I got them from lyrics.com or some such place.

heartbeatocean said:

the lyrics sound right to me.


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heartbeatocean said:

Yeah most of those sites contain errors as you probably know.



That particular part should be:

And I forget
Just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it was hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

(those first three lines at least are apparently a reference to the numbness of prolonged drug use)

heartbeatocean said:

Yeah most of those sites contain errors as you probably know.



That particular part should be:

And I forget
Just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it was hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

(those first three lines at least are apparently a reference to the numbness of prolonged drug use)

In the Tori version (I don't know about the Nirvana version), she adds a word

"Ordinaio" or something after "libido"

What is that?

heartbeatocean said:

"a denial" i think

mrdespues said:

so, what is your source?

heartbeatocean said:

"a denial" i think

Definitely Nirvana was only part of the 90's thing, but this song particularly represents the decade in rock.

The quiet sections to loud sections, clean to distorted, 4 chord repetition & druggy, clever, cynical lyrics all sum up the early 90's perfectly. The style of hair, clothing in the video. The woe is me attitude. Everything just screamed "GRUNGE!"

Pearl Jam was huge, obviously, but Nirvana was more direct, simpler, yet more artsy, more raw, and more of a singular vision because of Kurt's leadership role in the band--writing music & lyrics, singing & playing guitar. That artistry combined with Dave's incredible drumming and Kurt's celebrity made Nirvana truly an incredible & trendy band.

Other bands like Soundgarden & Pearl Jam were great, but they weren't so specifically "grunge" and as Nirvana. Smashing Pumkins is comparable to Nirvana, but they suffered historically from gaining popularity just after Nirvana and not being from Seattle (not to mention Billy is pretty annoying).

People say Nirvana is overrated, but Nevermind is one of the most flawless rock albums ever IMO, along with being one of the most defining of the times.

The song still sounds great to me.
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Now I think it's brilliant. "I feel stupid and contagious" is one of the better song lyrics I've ever heard.

I've never understood all the credit given to Nirvana.

I'll give them "interesting." And their lyrics and contructions were even pretty thoughtful. (The whole quiet-loud-quiet succession was MAD energizing! And All Apologies, in fact, remains one of my all-time favorite songs.) But I wonder if they were simply "the lucky ones" amid countless kids that were fairly identical, just as talented... and just as internally bored out of their friggin' minds.

That whole "grunge" scene was the weirdest thing I think I've seen as an adult. It was like a '90s Beat Generation redux: A bunch of largely middleclass, suburban kids suffering the futility of being raised not quite desolate enough to access any deeper personal soul, but perhaps not quite privileged and perfect enough that they could access the spoils of mindless mall culture. (Joni Mitchell called 'em "whiny white kids.") Suddenly, "fitting in" and actually being happy with things became somehow unsatisfactory. ...especially if those things were enjoyed by too many other people. And God forbid those other people not be as melancholy and cynical as you!

So no more glam. No more pop music or pop icons. No more allegiance to '80s-style capitalism and mass marketing (even though secretly that's exactly what every would-be-recognized grunge band craved.) And it was cool as hell to claim anything esoteric and/or underdog among your peers and inspirations: So suddenly 120 Minute-type no-name acts over, say, U2 or R.E.M. (both of whom were heralded as awesome in their own "alternative" days, but rendered somehow less cool simply because they'd become too appreciated); suddenly the heroin of yesteryear over the more contemporary cocaine as the "chic drug"; suddenly the clinically depressed homeless look over... well... personal hygiene.

And the nihilist reactionism didn't end there: As soon as people began respecting the very real merits of the scene's aesthetic, the purveyors thereof effectively turned their backs even on themselves! Bands broke up. Grungers started publicly dissing grunge. Other started ODing and/or killing themselves. The sh*t was crazy! (Apparently the logic of the scene was/is: People acknowledging something is worth existing = that thing isn't worth existing.)

There are bands I like that were grouped with this scene, but self-loathing and self-pity en masse has just never appealed that much to me.

...No offense to all y'all Nirvana/grunge fans, by the way. Just stating my opinion.
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