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Reply #30 posted 09/22/06 2:42pm

origmnd

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[standard U2 reference] I'd like to nominate U2 as a band that, sales wise, at least, isn't washed up yet [/standard U2 reference]


But seriously, I think it's easier for rock bands than it is for R&B/Pop acts. Using U2 as an example: U2 formed in 1976, released their first album in 1980, had their first U2 #1 LP in 1987. Their last album hit #1, sold over 800,000 copies first week in the US alone, spawned a huge hit (would've been bigger if Billboard had counted download sales into the charts at the time), and spawned the biggest tour of the year.

It may not be "cool" to like U2 at the moment, and they have gotten sappier with age, but they are at one of the pinnacles of their career, IMO. Look around the rock acts of the moment: Coldplay, Keane, The Killers all have had success with songs that had obvious U2 influence.

It's been about 2 years since their last album, and they are in the studio with Rick Rubin at the moment, so I'm hoping that the next disc they drop continues the winning streak.



But are the last few U2 cds as good as say 3121 is in relation to older Prince ?
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Reply #31 posted 09/22/06 7:46pm

Anx

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Anx said:

...there are no limits to imagination and art
...except death tombstone


are you saying that the concepts of imagination and art are finite and that both have an expiration date? art can literally die? all of it? forever?

that's kinda deep.
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Reply #32 posted 09/23/06 2:34am

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Anx said:

NoTime2Hate said:

...except death tombstone


are you saying that the concepts of imagination and art are finite and that both have an expiration date? art can literally die? all of it? forever?

that's kinda deep.


No.
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Reply #33 posted 09/23/06 3:28am

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This may be a disease isolated to certain segments of the Pop community.

It seems as though established Jazz/Blues/Classical (and maybe even traditional Country) musicians continue to play until they physical can't do it anymore or they die.

Maybe because their fanbase is not as fickle?


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Reply #34 posted 09/23/06 6:09am

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theAudience said:

This may be a disease isolated to certain segments of the Pop community.

It seems as though established Jazz/Blues/Classical (and maybe even traditional Country) musicians continue to play until they physical can't do it anymore or they die.

Maybe because their fanbase is not as fickle?


tA

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You are not implying, though, that musicians play simply for market (fanbase) demand. One would like to think it is all about the art, however realistically we all know for some musicians it is all about the money.

I agree some markets are less fickle and take on the "once a fan, always a fan" mantra, and stay with an artist through thick and thin.

Back to the original question about being washed up: I believe there are cycles, and I guess that suggests that, yes, eventually they may all go through a 'washed up' period.....with some making it back up, and others not.

Can you think of anyone that has stayed at the top? I can't....

cool
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Reply #35 posted 09/23/06 9:19pm

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origmnd said:



But are the last few U2 cds as good as say 3121 is in relation to older Prince ?



Actually, I haven't really loved a new Prince album since TGE in 1995. I think that How to Dismantle is U2's best album since 1991; that's misleading for two reasons, however. First, I don't think U2 has released a sub-standard product as of yet. And secondly, U2 only release an album every 3 or 4 years; Prince, obviously releases albums at a much faster rate.

To me, U2's output has been steady since 1983, whereas Prince has been in a steady decline since 1988. This is coming from a hardcore U2 fan, and a recovering hardcore Prince fan.
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Reply #36 posted 09/24/06 9:10pm

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cubic61052 said:

theAudience said:

This may be a disease isolated to certain segments of the Pop community.

It seems as though established Jazz/Blues/Classical (and maybe even traditional Country) musicians continue to play until they physical can't do it anymore or they die.

Maybe because their fanbase is not as fickle?


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431


You are not implying, though, that musicians play simply for market (fanbase) demand. One would like to think it is all about the art, however realistically we all know for some musicians it is all about the money.


Can you think of anyone that has stayed at the top? I can't....

cool


Most true musicians do it because they can't help it. They have to do it.
However, if they also do it for a living, the business component becomes a reality.

Depending on what is meant by "the top", I think Jimi and Miles (ones that come to mind right away) stayed at or near the top (in terms of popularity) till their deaths.

tA

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Reply #37 posted 10/01/06 11:40am

origmnd

Axchi696 said:

origmnd said:



But are the last few U2 cds as good as say 3121 is in relation to older Prince ?



Actually, I haven't really loved a new Prince album since TGE in 1995. I think that How to Dismantle is U2's best album since 1991; that's misleading for two reasons, however. First, I don't think U2 has released a sub-standard product as of yet. And secondly, U2 only release an album every 3 or 4 years; Prince, obviously releases albums at a much faster rate.

To me, U2's output has been steady since 1983, whereas Prince has been in a steady decline since 1988. This is coming from a hardcore U2 fan, and a recovering hardcore Prince fan.



It sounds like youre more of a U2 fan so
Im not getting the answer Im looking for
(made sure I didnt pun)
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Reply #38 posted 10/01/06 11:43am

origmnd

Another artist who's not washed up is RICHARD BUTLER.

He's on to his 3rd incarnation (Psychedielic Furs, Love Spit Love and now solo)

And they're all excelent
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