love that dude...hate the haters

PleasurePrinciple said:

co-sign!!!

Talented cat, wish he was here now to do away with all those "wanna be" rappers that don't talk about nothing.

missfee said:

Natisse said:

Sadly, he created them.

I just finished watching Tupac Resurection on VH-1, a film produced by his mother and the feelings have come rushing back...

I remember when Tupac died. I was a senior in highschool. I was working part time as a server at a banquet hall. I remember feeling so hurt that someone so influential and talented could put himself in harms way like this. It reminded me of my father's death and how young he was when he passed and how he could have meant so much more to me in life than in death. I was so angry. It rained that day (Sep. 13th, 1996). It rained cats and dogs. I stood on the back loading dock (at the banquet hall) and looked up to the clouds in complete and utter sorrow, not just for Tupac but for all of the young black men whose blood had been shed on the concrete of urban jungles. I could think of at least a dozen men under 30 who had been murdered. My heart ached for every one of them.

namepeace said:

actually he didn't.

fucking criminal...Menace to society !!! and yes I have seen all the documentaries ect...My thought is the same..he's a weak minded..typical hip hop loser that LOST !!!

prettymansson said:

diamondpearl1 said:

1. 2pac was a rebel.

2. I rank him #2 as the G.O.A.T. (right behind Rakim, the man 2pac wanted to be like!)

3. If 2pac was alive for just 10 more years, he would have destory the careers of Biggie, Nas, Jay-Z, and 50 Cent (in THAT order, IMO).

4. See this thread: http://www.prince.org/msg/8/201466
[Edited 9/13/06 16:33pm]

I saw a show on VH1 just the other night about him and I agree with you all the way. So many people talk about how they don't like thugs and how thugs destroy the community, yet those same people give this guy a pass and he promoted the hell out of "thug life".

His death was the worst thing that could have happened because now he's like the "hip hop Elvis" that will live on forever and people are going to be influenced by his thuggish behavior from now on.

I see Tupac's death as a microcosm of black men in this country. Many have parents who are absent or disinterested but somehow they find a way to fight through this cruel world of ours with little or no guidance. Tupac, like many other men who have met similar ends was extremely charismatic, talented, and intelligent (maybe not wise, but he was certainly intelligent). He had an oppurtunity to give the world so much more. After a young man dies, the first thing that many people ask is, "I wonder what could have been." At least I do. He was strong. He was vulnerable, and his own demons found a way to devour him. I choose to remember Tupac as a fallen soldier, a victim and a perpetrator, but most of all: a human being.

I saw a show on VH1 just the other night about him and I agree with you all the way. So many people talk about how they don't like thugs and how thugs destroy the community, yet those same people give this guy a pass and he promoted the hell out of "thug life".

His death was the worst thing that could have happened because now he's like the "hip hop Elvis" that will live on forever and people are going to be influenced by his thuggish behavior from now on.

Code OF THUG LIFE:



1. All new Jacks to the game must know: a) He’s going to get rich. b) He’s going to jail. c) He’s going to die.



2. Crew Leaders: You are responsible for legal/financial payment commitments to crew members; your word must be your bond.



3. One crew’s rat is every crew’s rat. Rats are now like a disease; sooner or later we all get it; and they should too.



4. Crew leader and posse should select a diplomat, and should work ways to settle disputes. In unity, there is strength!



5. Car jacking in our Hood is against the Code.



6. Slinging to children is against the Code.



7. Having children slinging is against the Code.



8. No slinging in schools.



9. Since the rat Nicky Barnes opened his mouth; ratting has become accepted by some. We’re not having it.



10. Snitches is outta here.



11. The Boys in Blue don’t run nothing; we do. Control the Hood, and make it safe for squares.



12. No slinging to pregnant Sisters. That’s baby killing; that’s genocide!



13. Know your target, who’s the real enemy.



14. Civilians are not a target and should be spared.



15. Harm to children will not be forgiven.



16. Attacking someone’s home where their family is known to reside, must be altered or checked.



17. Senseless brutality and rape must stop.



18. Our old folks must not be abused.



19. Respect our Sisters. Respect our Brothers.



20. Sisters in the Life must be respected if they respect themselves.



21. Military disputes concerning business areas within the community must be handled professionally and not on the block.



22. No shooting at parties.



23. Concerts and parties are neutral territories; no shooting!



24. Know the Code; it’s for everyone.



25. Be a real ruff neck. Be down with the code of the Thug Life.



26. Protect yourself at all times..

missfee said:

He built the monster, "Thug Life," that paved the way for every two-bit mediocre MC of lesser skill to try to pick up his mantle.

Charismatic.
Talented.
Deluded.

He believed all the nonsense of "thug life" and what it meant to be a "gangsta".

He made it easier for non-entities like 50 Cent to enter the game and be rewarded for having no talent and a bad attitude.

He transcended the hip-hop genre and became the focus of whatever he was in, whether it was a video, a song, or a movie, but he believed too hard in the fiction that to be black in America, one had to be "real" and "hard". Whatever that means...

A shame to see him die the way he did, but unfortunately, it's the result of the people he chose to associate with.

Praise Tupac. Fuq the "thug life".

namepeace said:

that still doesn't prove that he created them. Just give it up. So you don't care for him and his music...okay, but i did love his music and thought that he was a talented brother. So there you have it. Some have the same opinion as you and some have the same opinion as me. Let bygones be bygones. Have a coke and smile &
[Edited 9/14/06 15:22pm]

He's "easily" ( thinking about another thread) one of the best to put pen to pad. He was one of the most charismatic MCs in the history of the genre. His death was a great loss and a great waste of talent. He remains an enigma to this day. He is still revered and exploited to this day.

TonyVanDam said:

Get off the homie's shot off nuts, as an emcee he wasn't that nice, and he couldnt handle Biggie, Jayz and Nas in no rap battle, and on a serious tip him and 50 lyrically are the same league, you might not like Nas, but Nas word for word would have put a verbally ate Tupac alive.and if Biggie would have stopped trying to be the bigger man and just made a diss track on Pac, Pac limited lyrical abilities would have been shown to the whole world.

2. When 2pac call out all three of those east coast all-stars via diss record, they didn't respond in a diss record at all (before OR after 2pac was murder). Battle rappers my ass!!! And BTW, 2pac had Nas' number on the first strike. Nas is excellent, but even he's no Rakim.

TonyVanDam said:

TVD, hate to break this to you, but Biggie woulda ripped him.

Paisley4u said:

namepeace said:

Namepeace, hate to break this back at you, but Biggie was (and still is) a little overrated. Even Jay-Z & Nas are better than that.

pfunkpilot said:

I'll give you a hint: it's part of his name.

TonyVanDam said:

and so is tupac, Biggie in a rap battle would have killed Biggie, and you state that they didn't respond, Why would anybody respond to Pac when pac was using record sales too diss artist, after Pac stopped dissing Biggie, he went after Nas when Nas was the biggest rapper and had the best rap record that summer, IF I RULED THE WORLD, Pac started going after Nas, out of nowhere.Pac in a battle couldn't get at Nas, all he said about Nas is the same ole "you fake gangsta, you wanna be me" bullshit. Pac is lucky nobodd but Mobb Deep decide to shit on Pac, because he would have gotten roasted

Pac was a gimmick, he was a good rapper but lyrically again he wasn't that nice,

Well, considering that he and some other guy was beating and kicking the hell out of some guy in a lobby just a few hours before his death, I would say "thug life" was more a lifestyle than an image and he was into it till the day he died. He lived by the sword and he died by it.

Even if it was just an image (which I don't believe), a thug is an image that is very easy for the everyday person on the street to immitate and follow. You can buy some cheap ass jeans, T-Shirts, bandanas, and baseball caps at Wal-Mart, hell even the Dollar General Store. You can spend very little money to look like a thug and all you need next is to be stupid enough to act like one. Someone like Rick James was a rebellious artist that was more an "image". However, you had to have an imagination, style, and money for a designer to make custom made outfits like Rick James wore. I never saw anyone rob a convenience store with braids, leather pants, and thigh high boots. I've seen many a criminal wearing jeans, T-Shirts, and baseball caps though.