If anything, Michael would be "A" sexual. Just because he hung out with Freddie and Liberace, is not saying much. I just tells me that he liked hanging out with people who did not fit in, just like him. Pedphila has very little to do with being gay. It has more to do with seeking control, which I think is something that Michael has been seeking for a very long time.

shorttrini said:

Explain.

shorttrini said:

I agree, I don't think he's gay, I think he's asexual (simply not very interested in either sexes/sex in general) I've read four or five biographies and came to that conclusion.
And I agree about the pedophilia being about control. He never really had much control and so he's trying to find it now...in a very misguided way.

whoknows said:

I should have been more specific:

1. When I say MJ-haters, I talking about the haters out there that still call Michael a child rapist despite the jury saying point-blank: NOT guilty! If I didn't know any better, I think some critics are trying to make Michael an equal to OJ Simpson.

2. I understand (based on research) that it's not easy for anyone to "come out of the closet" about their sexual perferences or human sexuality. But let be real for a moment: If any man on planet earth is gay of life, then why in the hell would you be sexuality involve with a woman at all (REMEMBER: Elton John knew he was gay long before he married a woman years ago)? THIS right here is what I don't understand (especially these days when we have men & women doing things on a downlow and putting everyone close to then in danger of a broken heart and/or a STD)! If any man or woman is claiming to be gay but still having some sexual relations with the other gender, then you're bisexual.

whatsgoingon said:

Tru....Tru! Yeah it is/was rough out there for most!!

shockadelicaa said:

Exactly. There are so many things he oculd be apart from a "Repress Homosexual". He could be Asexual, he could be Bisexual and although I personally don't believe it he could be just a Pedophill(sp) . Running up a list of who his friends are and statements made by Tatum, Brooke and LMP, who have all contradicted themselves at one point or another doesn't necessarily prove he is a homosexual, repress or otherwise.

MJ Get ON THa Mic..!

Why would a homosexual keep at home so many playboys, penthouses and other stuff?

dag said:

so this automatically means that he is straight?

hey,is that Mariah Carey touching MJ's jacket?

SoulAlive said:

Could be, unless gay man like to tease woman by trying to take their clothes off.

Michael is still a talented song writer/singer but the things he's done are so strange(and perhaps criminal) that people will never be able to forget them. He will always have a following but the Thriller/Off the Wall Days are gone and will never be back. If M.J can accept the fact that he'll sell 1-2 million records and not 20 million, then he can continue to have a music career. If his ego can't handle that fact and he wants to live in the past, hes done.

I don't care if he's gay, straight, bi, tri or asexual his behavior and some of his choices makes him an questionable candidate for any type of relationship.

But back to the music... can he still bring it? Maybe. Do I care? Not so much.

TonyVanDam said:

Here is my response.

1. Michael has never claimed to be anything you mentioned except for the "King Of Pop".

2. Your right, it is Not easy for anyone to "come out of the closet", especially those who are in the spotlight.Admitting this could be damaging to one's career. This is one of the reason why Sir Elton married that woman years ago. Contrary to popular belief, at that time, he was still struggling with his feelings between the two sexes.

3. If somone is claiming to be gay,but is still having sexual relations with the opposite sex. To society, he may be seen as bisexual but in reality, that person is very confused and is in desparate need of couselling. While Michael may need couselling, he really does not fit that pattern.

JasonStar said:

I don't pretend to know Michael at all. Just as everyone here, I've come to my own conclusions. I think Michael is full of it and full of himself. I do think he plays the media and most of it back fired.

shorttrini said:

Then why not hang out with straight people who don't fit in? Gay people aren't the only outsiders in the world.

Michael has had full control over his life for at least 25 years now. The days of Joe telling him what to do ended a long, long time ago. There's only one aspect of his life he doesn't have control of and it's the thing that tortures him; his sexuality.

shockadelicaa said:

There hasn't yet been a single serious biography of Michael Jackson written. Only cheap cash ins written by tabloid hacks. In the same way that no biography written in Fredie Mercury's or Rock Hudson's lifetime would have told you they were gay(even though it was an open secret in the industry), MJ biographers also have their hands tied.

whoknows said:

Randy Taraborrelli's first MJ book (The Magic & The Madness) was about as serious a biography you could get....It was a strong effort that didn't trail to deep in bullshit...

murph said:

Sorry. Give me a minute to pick myself off the floor. If you couldn't spot that that book was filled with lie after lie then you have no judgement. It was filled with accounts of conversations he would had to have been a fly on the wall to observe, and some of the most blatantly made up rubbish I've ever read. It also made next to no mention of his fondness for little boys. No mention of the sleepovers that had been going on for years at Neverland. Taraborelli is a bullshitter with all the integrity of Piers Morgan.

whoknows said:

I'll help you pick youself up....Notice I said the the "first" book...(which was written way before the allegations...)...That Randy cat had great contacts for the most part (since he knew the Jackson family as well as workers at Neverland...And you have to remember, The Magic & the Madness was very controversial when it came out (the info about MJ planting stories of his eccentricies, the pastic sugeries ect...)..As far as the sleepovers, it was known in the beginning that MJ had that Culkin and Emmanual Lewis over...The other stuff came out much later...It's interesting that you think it was a farce....Most Michael Jackson fans hate that book....
[Edited 9/11/06 20:02pm]

Rhondab said:

this was exactly what i was getting at. thanks, rhonda.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

But as someone stated here, Michael has never said, "look what Joseph did to me". In fact, he has never said that Joseph's ways of disipline were wrong or right. Abuse comes in many forms and effects people in different ways. I don't see Michael using it as a crutch. What I do see is someone who was very different from his brothers but yet, the strongest one of the bunch,(Jemaine,Randy & Jackie) have had their share of drama too. Michael has prblems based on his lack of socialization as a kid, they all suffer from it. When you are not around kids your own age, you are bound to suffer. It has nothing to do with his sexual preference or him bringing upon himself....Those kids lack social skills....and this I blame on the parents.

murph said:[quote]

whoknows said:

It was written two years before the allegations and they exposed how way off the mark this guy had been. For all his research he failed to see just how big and unhealthy a part of Michael's life the little boys were. This was a book that supposedly lifted the lid on Jackson's world. He very clearly failed to do that and told a whole heap of irrelevant lies in the process. Didn't you think it was suspicious that so many of his stories were attributed to anonymous sources. A gay guy says to Michael "Gee Michael, I sure would love to fuck you". Michael tells him to go read the bible. When and where this supposedly happened we're not told; who the gay guy was and who the source for the story is are also unmentioned. We're just expected to take it in good faith that the story's true. An employee says "Okay Michael; tell us there's not gonna be anymore plastic surgery". The next day he's fired. Who the employee was and who the source is are not revealed. The book is filled with page after page of this. He actually spends more time talking about the other Jacksons than he does talking about Michael. Meanwhile, the hundreds of hours Michael was spending in hotel rooms and at Neverland with a string of little boys goes unmentioned. His close friendships with Liberace and Freddie Mercury go unmentioned. Taraborelli has made a fortune writing very entertaining but very dubious books about gay icons. His books on Diana Ross and Madonna were very similar bullshit fests to his MJ one.

shorttrini said:

I have to agree with you to a certain extent here. One of the reasons why "Whoknows" analogy is unbalance is because he/she is focusing on MJ Ambigious sexuality has opposed to his overall life.

When MJ was still a child, apart from his brothers, his best friend was Diana Ross. Isn't it strange that a 14 yr old boy best friend will be a woman old enough to be his mother.?(I know there have rumours about that relationship too). Now someone like Whoknows would probably put that down to Michael's sexuality. I will put that down to the business he was in, and lack of socialization with other kids his own age. I mean if he was back in Gary and going to school like most boys his age, whether he was gay or not, there is no way such a friendship with Diana would ever developed at such a young age.

If you look at the friendships that did develope with people nearer his age like Tatum and Brooke shields, they had one significant thing in common they were all child stars like himself. You can even put Elizabeth Taylor into this catergory she too was once a child star. So obviously he was garaviting to certain people who shared something in common with him.

Through out his life I doubt very much Michael has ever really had a close friendship with anyone his own age group, which imo is due to lack of socialization. I mean even the male frienships he had were usually much older than him and in the music business too.

Having said that I am not going to blame his parents for alot of the decisions he made in more recent years. His been adult now for about 30 yrs and there certain things that regardless of his childhood he should have known in the long run were going to backfire.
[Edited 9/12/06 4:30am]

whatsgoingon said:

I will agree up to a point. Your parents are the ones who are supposed to give you that foundation, so that as an adult you will be able to make "adult" decisions. They didn't do it.Plain and simple. Our course that were only doing what they thought was right. But in the long run, they ended up hurting each and every one of those kids...Joseph saw his kids as means to an end...A way to get out of ghetto. He was also trying to relive his failed dreams through his kids...If you look at Michael, he has great music and business sense like Joe, but he is not really a sociable person....like Joe. Joe and to a certain extend Katherine, failed in giving those kids a sense of balance. When u don't have balance, you fall....Like Michael has fallen.

whatsgoingon said:

Of course I'm focusing on his ambiguous sexuality. Isn't that what you do when you're making the case for someone being gay? The only unbalanced thing is your response. I listed many separate different points that all built up a picture of a closet homosexual. You've ignored almost all of them except for one. The fact that his list of friends (Liberace, Liza Minelli, Liz Taylor, Diana Ross, etc.)reads like a gay man's wet dream is perfectly valid information to present as part of an overall case. The fact that these women are all surrounded by gay men, their best friends are gay, and they're actively involved in the gay community is one hell of a coincidence. btw, he described Diana Ross in 78 as someone to whom he could tell "all my deepest, darkest secrets". He wrote a song for her expressing desire for a beautiful muscle man. When she performed it on stage she introduced it saying "I'm not sure if it's meant to be my fantasy or his".
Combine all that with the fact that he's never had a real girlfriend, both his marriages were shams, none of his children were conceived naturally, and he's slept with a succession of good looking olive skinned boys and it makes a pretty strong case to anyone with any objectivity. That's not to even mention his gay manner and appearance.
If you're asking me to believe that all these separate indicators of gayness are just coincidence then I'm sorry, but that's an insult to my intelligence. What comes across pretty clearly to me is that many of you are so repelled by the idea that the man who's music you grew up on could have been gay all along that you'll come up with the most nonsensical rationalisations in order to ignore the obvious; the biggest example being the idea that he's guity of paedophilia but only for the control it gives him. In that case why not abuse little girls? Like I said before, those who deny he's gay are the ones who have the biggest questions to answer, so before attacking me in future, perhaps you'd like to come off the fence and deal with some of these points. You can make a start with the most obvious one. Why has he shared his bed over and over again with numerous good looking,olive skinned boys?

shorttrini said:

Those kids like social kills.

Those KIDS are now in there forties and fifties.


Michael DID used to BLAME Joseph. All of this Michael never blamed Joseph is hogwash. Michael does use his childhood has an excuse for all of his crap.

I'm not saying that Joseph and Katherine were the best parents BUT I'm saying there is a point in your life that YOU control the outcome regardless of your beginnings.

Michael being the strongest one of the bunch is bs as well.


ya'll just make so many excuses for this man.

Michael is the cause and is responsible for Michael's own behavior at 48 years old.

Rhondab said:

Co Sign! Also, Marlon was the one who suffered the most at Joseph's hands. He didn't grow up to sleep with little boys. The whole blaming Joseph thing is a diversion tactic; and an effective one for people who don't use their heads or who are too lazy to take an objective look at the facts.

whoknows said:

If Michael were anyone else would his fans really be overlooking this sort of track record?

JackieBlue said:

You took the words right out of my mouth.