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Reply #30 posted 09/06/06 7:09am

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This discussion has me thinking of what makes a great album, especially in terms of Michael making a comeback. I mean, Michael's solo career was best when he was working with Quincey, Janet with JJ and TL, Whitney with Clive, Prince with, well Prince.

I was surprised when Invincible bombed. I loved You Rock My World and Butterfly and I read the album was VERY expensive because Michael paid big bucks for good producers, however it didn't pan out?

I think Michael, if he has not done so already (and I wouldn't know because I don't know him), should sit down and do some soul searching of what he wants to do with music and find a producer who he can work with to build from that. Maybe its time Michael does an experimental type album, instead of the same old pop stuff. shrug
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Reply #31 posted 09/06/06 7:17am

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An experimental album would be great and it wouldn’t be so devastating if it flopped if it didn’t take him 4-5 years between each album. He’d just move on to the next album. Maybe it’s really time for him to finally do that acoustic album. Why is it so difficult for this guy to put out more music if he makes hundreds of songs per album? Being a perfectionist is not always a good thing.
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Reply #32 posted 09/06/06 11:14am

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Can Michael Jackson still deliver like the mutha he was back in the late 70s/early 80s?

I know this question was asked in 86/87, then again in 1990, and again after the 1993 allegation, and then again in 1999/2000. But I think now more than ever, Michael Jackson has the oppurtunity to go Thriller style and bl0w everybody away!

I was looking over Invincible, and the newbies on The Ultimate Collection. There is Thriller-status (or potentially Thriller-status) material that Michael has recorded in the last 5 years. You Rock My World, Break of Dawn, Butterflies, The Way You Love Me and Beautiful Girl are just as good, or could be just as good with more work, as the songs on Thriller.

Also, he can still deliver a great stage show IMO. The Apollo concert was great, MSG was allright (even though Michael didn't do much), and the MJ & Friends (even though it was a while ago, 7 years) was amazing. Plus, according to his publicist he was dancing from 4am until court time during the trial. He even hurt himself from dancing too much. He's got a shit load more to give performance/stage-wise.

His latest songs seem to be heading in the right direction, and if he picks up were he left off with songs like Butterflies, he's gonna make some great music for his next album. He's got it in the bag, now he just has to make the right decision with regards to who produces his next album, how he'll promote etc.

I think Michael Jackson will come back Thriller style. But that's just my opinion, what's yours?


What is the Apollo concert? Was it around the time of the MSG concert? I thought MSG was the only concert he had since the MJ and Friends in 1999.
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Reply #33 posted 09/06/06 11:16am

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To the original question - if he can be bothered, maybe. But personally I don't believe he can.
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Reply #34 posted 09/06/06 11:21am

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waw2002 said:


What is the Apollo concert? Was it around the time of the MSG concert? I thought MSG was the only concert he had since the MJ and Friends in 1999.

Just a variety concert from 2002. It wasn't televised. I can't even remember what it was in aid of, but Bill Clinton went up and played the saxophone, and Michael did a few numbers with Dave Navarro. Apparently even MJ's harshest critics were impressed. It's where this pic came from:

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Reply #35 posted 09/06/06 3:11pm

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i believe that michael has definitely still got it and he needs to prove it!

i think he thinks too big sometimes and what the fans would appreciate now is a new down to earth approach, an album not overloaded with too many tracks leave room for b sides (if they still exist) on the singles, perhaps a 10 track album.

a tour of smaller venues (arena's if he must, although i'd preferr smaller) and not big stadiums where he has to put on this HUGE show and nearly kill himself with the routine of it.

i'd preferr to see michael do small and intimate, it would draw far more attention because of how different it is for him and it would just be Michael, the music, and the dance.

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Reply #36 posted 09/06/06 3:16pm

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JackieBlue said:

An experimental album would be great and it wouldn’t be so devastating if it flopped if it didn’t take him 4-5 years between each album. He’d just move on to the next album. Maybe it’s really time for him to finally do that acoustic album. Why is it so difficult for this guy to put out more music if he makes hundreds of songs per album? Being a perfectionist is not always a good thing.


you're right there, i LOVE a lot of the tracks on invincible but some were just overproduced and samey, an acoustic album would be fab from michael, he's still got an amazing voice and hasn't lost it vocally, even though he's been singing from very young, he proved this on Speechless. I think he should certainly try standing on a stage and singing a few tracks acapella when he tours again, i know thats what the fans want!
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Reply #37 posted 09/06/06 3:16pm

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only idiots & fools who were standing at the court-house, releasing doves for each count, believe that!

disbelief



Co-sign!!!

As far as I'm concerned, the UK can have his pathetic ass.
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Reply #38 posted 09/06/06 3:23pm

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Love MJ, but unfortunately to much damage has been done to his reputation-he is still the KING OF POP, but it'll never happen sad .
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Reply #39 posted 09/06/06 3:31pm

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Of course it can he just needs some sense talking in to him, he needs to change his tack with his fans and public and do something a bit different and unexpected.

At the end of the day if he produces great music and goes about promoting it right, none of this sony bashing etc, he'll change things around. I don't believe that all the public will be on his side but most would have the sense to recignise good music, and he's got too many fans not to make an album successful.

alli

P.S. where invincible being a flop is concerned, it's still sold millions more than most artists albums sell today, i think its around the 11 million mark world wide, last i heard could be more now. The media concentrate on comparing it to Thriller or Bad in terms of how well it sold when no one sells albums in huge amounts like that anymore, it just doesn't happen.
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Reply #40 posted 09/06/06 3:32pm

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I feel as long as there's an audience, he can come back. He may not be as big as he once was, but I think he can pull off a great album. It took me nearly 4 years to finally grow into Invincible but I appreciate it now. Suzzane De Passe said in the new A&E documentary that Michael was better as simply Michael. It was when the whole "King Of Pop" and the world records came into play when it sorta became a gimmick for him and it seemed like he wasn't feeling it. I think Michael needs to find his love for music again and focus on making a solid set.
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Reply #41 posted 09/06/06 3:34pm

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Can he even sing anymore?
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Reply #42 posted 09/06/06 3:35pm

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bboy87 said:

I feel as long as there's an audience, he can come back. He may not be as big as he once was, but I think he can pull off a great album. It took me nearly 4 years to finally grow into Invincible but I appreciate it now. Suzzane De Passe said in the new A&E documentary that Michael was better as simply Michael. It was when the whole "King Of Pop" and the world records came into play when it sorta became a gimmick for him and it seemed like he wasn't feeling it. I think Michael needs to find his love for music again and focus on making a solid set.


i couldn't agree more
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Reply #43 posted 09/06/06 3:37pm

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lilgish said:

Can he even sing anymore?



Go away and listen to Invincible, then you'll know, specifcally Speechless, or the acapella version of You Rock My World. He's not lost a thing vocally.
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Reply #44 posted 09/06/06 3:40pm

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AlliUK said:

Of course it can he just needs some sense talking in to him, he needs to change his tack with his fans and public and do something a bit different and unexpected.


And this may be the hardest part of all.
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Reply #45 posted 09/06/06 3:41pm

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AlliUK said:

lilgish said:

Can he even sing anymore?



Go away and listen to Invincible, then you'll know, specifcally Speechless, or the acapella version of You Rock My World. He's not lost a thing vocally.


yea, but that's on wax. I'm talking about live.
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Reply #46 posted 09/06/06 3:48pm

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lilgish said:

AlliUK said:




Go away and listen to Invincible, then you'll know, specifcally Speechless, or the acapella version of You Rock My World. He's not lost a thing vocally.


yea, but that's on wax. I'm talking about live.
[Edited 9/6/06 15:42pm]


okay then listen to 'Elizabeth, I Love You' or 'What More Can I Give Live' most recent live performances i can think of...or the jacksons section of the Madison Square Garden concerts.
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Reply #47 posted 09/06/06 4:10pm

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I think Michael could still bring it if he did the following:

First of all, focus on being an "artist" and not "best seller" for once.

1)Worked with Paul Oakenfold. Has anyone heard his new song Sex 'n' Money (Featuring Pharrell Williams)? If Michael did a song like that, that would be amazing. Paul Oakenfold would really be the guy to take Michael to new heights, as far as not doing the same old, same old.

2)Timbaland. I didn't want to believe this guy could bring it as a producer, but he proved me wrong with SexyBack. That song grew on me like crazy.

3)Pharrell Williams. "Like I Love You" is one of the best songs EVER. If only Michael would have used it. Oh well. I'm sure Pharrell could write another. And it would be waiting for Michael.

4)Teddy Riley. I'd love to hear Michael do a song like Tony Toni Tone's, hard to find song "Bounce Around." Teddy Riley helped write that song, and wow, if Michael did something like that - AMAZING

5)Prince should produce a song. That would be great!

6)No more Rodney. I liked "You Rock My World" as much as the next guy. Infact I think it was Michael's best ever debut single, but, still, no more Rodney.

If all else fails, an accoustic album of hits like an "Unplugged" album would be good. (And a TOUR!!!) or an album of B-Sides with a few new tracks. (Produced by Paul Oakenfold.)

Interesting thread!
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Reply #48 posted 09/06/06 4:17pm

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I want to see Michael produce an album by himself. I think the Neptunes could do 2 or 3 songs because their sound fits him. But I want to see an album produced and written by Michael Jackson.....maybe with Quincy as a consultant.

you want a song about the children? get that shit outta here, Smelly!
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Reply #49 posted 09/06/06 4:21pm

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Whatever MJ wants to bring, I wish he would. What the hell is he waiting on?
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Reply #50 posted 09/06/06 4:23pm

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JasonStar said:


2)Timbaland. I didn't want to believe this guy could bring it as a producer, but he proved me wrong with SexyBack. That song grew on me like crazy.

Hell Naw! He needs a producer who can deal with layered sounds. Pharrel is laying eggs too. Stay away from modern producers.
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Reply #51 posted 09/06/06 4:30pm

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lilgish said:

JasonStar said:


2)Timbaland. I didn't want to believe this guy could bring it as a producer, but he proved me wrong with SexyBack. That song grew on me like crazy.

Hell Naw! He needs a producer who can deal with layered sounds. Pharrel is laying eggs too. Stay away from modern producers.


I would love to hear what other things Chad and Pharrell have tucked away for MJ. Pharrell has said a million times how it would be his crowning achievement to work with him. He has songs just waiting for MJ to say the word.
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Reply #52 posted 09/06/06 4:43pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

lilgish said:


Hell Naw! He needs a producer who can deal with layered sounds. Pharrel is laying eggs too. Stay away from modern producers.


I would love to hear what other things Chad and Pharrell have tucked away for MJ. Pharrell has said a million times how it would be his crowning achievement to work with him. He has songs just waiting for MJ to say the word.


Mj fucked up, he shoulda took those Tustified tracks. Jerkins shit was stale.
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Reply #53 posted 09/06/06 6:53pm

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Maybe, as long as I don't have to look at his face, which scares me, hooks up with a producer that is not currently on anyone elses C.D. like Beyonce,J.T, Christina Aguliera and so on. Then he might have a chance.
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Reply #54 posted 09/06/06 8:37pm

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he should ignore the current styles of R&B and producers who produce using smaples and beat boxes.....

and hook up with Quincy.

Make some great, funky, pop/R&B tunes using real instruments.
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Reply #55 posted 09/06/06 10:25pm

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waw2002 said:


What is the Apollo concert? Was it around the time of the MSG concert? I thought MSG was the only concert he had since the MJ and Friends in 1999.

Just a variety concert from 2002. It wasn't televised. I can't even remember what it was in aid of, but Bill Clinton went up and played the saxophone, and Michael did a few numbers with Dave Navarro. Apparently even MJ's harshest critics were impressed. It's where this pic came from:




wow, very cool. You said the concert was great, but it wasn't televised. Is there any footage available online? What did he sing? Did he actually sing live? I never knew this concert existed.
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Reply #56 posted 09/06/06 10:41pm

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Yep, he can bring it. He just needs to sing and act his age. He has a beautiful voice. A decent suit and a haircut wouldnt hurt either once in a while.
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Reply #57 posted 09/06/06 10:43pm

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Yes.
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Reply #58 posted 09/06/06 10:45pm

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JasonStar said:

I think Michael could still bring it if he did the following:

2)Timbaland. I didn't want to believe this guy could bring it as a producer, but he proved me wrong with SexyBack. That song grew on me like crazy.

3)Pharrell Williams. "Like I Love You" is one of the best songs EVER. If only Michael would have used it. Oh well. I'm sure Pharrell could write another. And it would be waiting for Michael


That's exactly what he should not do. Hell, I don't want to see Michael turned into some run-of-the-mill modern R&B act. Steer clear of the 'hip' producers, Michael.
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Reply #59 posted 09/06/06 11:08pm

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JasonStar said:

I think Michael could still bring it if he did the following:

2)Timbaland. I didn't want to believe this guy could bring it as a producer, but he proved me wrong with SexyBack. That song grew on me like crazy.

3)Pharrell Williams. "Like I Love You" is one of the best songs EVER. If only Michael would have used it. Oh well. I'm sure Pharrell could write another. And it would be waiting for Michael


That's exactly what he should not do. Hell, I don't want to see Michael turned into some run-of-the-mill modern R&B act. Steer clear of the 'hip' producers, Michael.


Ya, isn't that kindof what he did with Invincible. Some of his best stuff is self-produced. I think if he tries to follow current trends he'll just come across as desperate. I would love to hear more things like Stranger In Moscow and Butterflies.
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