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Thread started 09/12/06 7:17am

Fury

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let's just annoint justin as the savior of R&B, why don't we?

Justin's ambitious triumph
Justin Timberlake's new album, FutureSex/LoveSounds, may have the biggest debut of the year. Its single, Sexyback, has been the top download by a wide margin for the two weeks it's been available, and it's headed for No. 1 on the national radio airplay chart. And now USA TODAY's Elysa Gardner gives the album a rave, praising the "grace and humility" with which he salutes his R&B role models, and his artistic growth overall.

MORE LISTEN UP: Mayer, Mars Volta and more

The reaction to the review of Beyoncé's album was overwhelming (in fact, it's ongoing). I'd think Justin may stir up even more heat. Love to know what you think.

Reports of Justin Timberlake's audacity are greatly exaggerated. When 'N Sync's most-likely-to-succeed graduate released his solo debut, Justified, in 2002, some pegged him as a Michael Jackson wannabe.

And the more ambitious, overtly carnal material on Timberlake's new album, FutureSex/LoveSounds (* * * out of four), is bound to inspire comparisons to another late-20th century R&B icon.
But just because Timberlake wants to be your lover doesn't mean he fancies himself the second coming of Prince. In fact, FutureSex nods to a wide array of old-school and older-school artists, from Donny Hathaway to Timberlake's fellow former teen idol George Michael.

And to his credit and our benefit Timberlake synthesizes his influences with grace and humility, and with an unapologetic pop savvy that proves he has not forgotten or forsaken his roots.

He also chooses great collaborators, prominent among them Justified alumnus Timbaland. The hip-hop producer emerges as an even more valuable player here, his distinctive rhythmic intuition propelling tracks such as What Goes Around ..., a sinuous, scrumptious sequel to Cry Me a River, Justified's irresistible account of romantic comeuppance.

Like his role models, though, Timberlake is at his most compelling when wooing or celebrating a love interest. On My Love, another sparkling serving of vintage Timbaland, he courts a special someone in a melting falsetto, then serenades her on the sweetly soulful Until the End of Time. The innocuous though hugely successful single SexyBack (the No. 1 download by a mile for the past two weeks) is outshone by the more wistfully romantic Summer Love.

Some other tunes find Timberlake itching for an edgier effect. Guest star Will.I.Am and producers JAWBreakers help fortify Damn Girl with more muscular funk accents, while a gospel choir shows up on the plaintive bolero Losing My Way.

But the most affecting song on FutureSex is the simplest, and last, one. (Another Song) All Over Again, co-written by Timberlake and Matthew Morrison and produced with a light, deft hand by Rick Rubin, is a plain-spoken, heartbroken plea for forgiveness; and Timberlake delivers it with a gentle urgency that his more ostentatious pop and R&B peers would do well to study.

It's the perfect finale for an artist who has learned enough from his heroes to know how much he still needs, and wants, to grow.

Posted at 10:01 PM/ET, September 11, 2006 in


evillol make it stop
[Edited 9/12/06 7:19am]
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Reply #1 posted 09/12/06 12:48pm

Ottensen

....annoint him the whaaaa..??? eek


punch punch punch...that's what we need to do to whoever wrote that lol
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Reply #2 posted 09/12/06 1:32pm

tonyat

Ottensen said:

....annoint him the whaaaa..??? eek


punch punch punch...that's what we need to do to whoever wrote that lol



I know rii!! WTH!!
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Reply #3 posted 09/12/06 1:34pm

Ellie

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Is there such a thing as "vintage Timbaland"?
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Reply #4 posted 09/12/06 1:44pm

ThePunisher

Fury said:

Justin's ambitious triumph
Justin Timberlake's new album, FutureSex/LoveSounds, may have the biggest debut of the year. Its single, Sexyback, has been the top download by a wide margin for the two weeks it's been available, and it's headed for No. 1 on the national radio airplay chart. And now USA TODAY's Elysa Gardner gives the album a rave, praising the "grace and humility" with which he salutes his R&B role models, and his artistic growth overall.

MORE LISTEN UP: Mayer, Mars Volta and more

The reaction to the review of Beyoncé's album was overwhelming (in fact, it's ongoing). I'd think Justin may stir up even more heat. Love to know what you think.

Reports of Justin Timberlake's audacity are greatly exaggerated. When 'N Sync's most-likely-to-succeed graduate released his solo debut, Justified, in 2002, some pegged him as a Michael Jackson wannabe.

And the more ambitious, overtly carnal material on Timberlake's new album, FutureSex/LoveSounds (* * * out of four), is bound to inspire comparisons to another late-20th century R&B icon.
But just because Timberlake wants to be your lover doesn't mean he fancies himself the second coming of Prince. In fact, FutureSex nods to a wide array of old-school and older-school artists, from Donny Hathaway to Timberlake's fellow former teen idol George Michael.

And to his credit and our benefit Timberlake synthesizes his influences with grace and humility, and with an unapologetic pop savvy that proves he has not forgotten or forsaken his roots.

He also chooses great collaborators, prominent among them Justified alumnus Timbaland. The hip-hop producer emerges as an even more valuable player here, his distinctive rhythmic intuition propelling tracks such as What Goes Around ..., a sinuous, scrumptious sequel to Cry Me a River, Justified's irresistible account of romantic comeuppance.

Like his role models, though, Timberlake is at his most compelling when wooing or celebrating a love interest. On My Love, another sparkling serving of vintage Timbaland, he courts a special someone in a melting falsetto, then serenades her on the sweetly soulful Until the End of Time. The innocuous though hugely successful single SexyBack (the No. 1 download by a mile for the past two weeks) is outshone by the more wistfully romantic Summer Love.

Some other tunes find Timberlake itching for an edgier effect. Guest star Will.I.Am and producers JAWBreakers help fortify Damn Girl with more muscular funk accents, while a gospel choir shows up on the plaintive bolero Losing My Way.

But the most affecting song on FutureSex is the simplest, and last, one. (Another Song) All Over Again, co-written by Timberlake and Matthew Morrison and produced with a light, deft hand by Rick Rubin, is a plain-spoken, heartbroken plea for forgiveness; and Timberlake delivers it with a gentle urgency that his more ostentatious pop and R&B peers would do well to study.

It's the perfect finale for an artist who has learned enough from his heroes to know how much he still needs, and wants, to grow.

Posted at 10:01 PM/ET, September 11, 2006 in


evillol make it stop
[Edited 9/12/06 7:19am]
The saviour of r&b? NOT!!!!!
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Reply #5 posted 09/12/06 2:18pm

uPtoWnNY

Ottensen said:

....annoint him the whaaaa..??? eek


punch punch punch...that's what we need to do to whoever wrote that lol



I prefer doing this...


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Reply #6 posted 09/12/06 2:51pm

DanceWme

lets annoint him as King Ass..

jus playin neutral
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Reply #7 posted 09/12/06 2:55pm

uPtoWnNY

I can see it now - Justin Timberfake accepting the Grammy for Best R&B Album of the Year. I might do an Elvis on my TV if that sh!t happens.
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Reply #8 posted 09/12/06 3:57pm

ABeautifulOne

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I love Justin but I find it scary that he was on BET of all places today.Wasn't his Ghetto Pass revoked a long time ago?
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Reply #9 posted 09/12/06 4:01pm

Fury

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ABeautifulOne said:

I love Justin but I find it scary that he was on BET of all places today.Wasn't his Ghetto Pass revoked a long time ago?

and he said "ethnic people" shit again too..i mean..come on justin--if you're courting the black folks, just say "man i know it's a lot rougher out there for black folks or african-americans--don't keep saying fucking ethnic like we're in bosnia--hercegovenia disbelief

AND he looked like a damn nerd.
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Reply #10 posted 09/12/06 4:20pm

Isel

I just don't even get the Justin love.

He's only Ok as far as I'm concerned--maybe even less than OK.

I've just never really liked him very much. neutral
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Reply #11 posted 09/12/06 4:30pm

Illustrator

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Is there such a thing as "vintage Timbaland"?

Maybe they're referring to the stuff he did when he was 'N' here....


shrug
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Reply #12 posted 09/12/06 8:18pm

Sdldawn

Fury said:

ABeautifulOne said:

I love Justin but I find it scary that he was on BET of all places today.Wasn't his Ghetto Pass revoked a long time ago?

and he said "ethnic people" shit again too..i mean..come on justin--if you're courting the black folks, just say "man i know it's a lot rougher out there for black folks or african-americans--don't keep saying fucking ethnic like we're in bosnia--hercegovenia disbelief

AND he looked like a damn nerd.
[Edited 9/12/06 16:02pm]


i think he was just reaching for words, and tryin not to say the wrong thing.. since i'm sure he was walking on egg crates by trying not to say anything remotely racist... after all, he just got picked out for saying "ethnic".. lol
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Reply #13 posted 09/12/06 8:52pm

JasonStar

Sdldawn said:

Fury said:


and he said "ethnic people" shit again too..i mean..come on justin--if you're courting the black folks, just say "man i know it's a lot rougher out there for black folks or african-americans--don't keep saying fucking ethnic like we're in bosnia--hercegovenia disbelief

AND he looked like a damn nerd.
[Edited 9/12/06 16:02pm]


i think he was just reaching for words, and tryin not to say the wrong thing.. since i'm sure he was walking on egg crates by trying not to say anything remotely racist... after all, he just got picked out for saying "ethnic".. lol
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One day back in 2004, I realized why up to that point, I had always hated on Justin. It was because: I wished I had his life.

Now I'm over that and his music is good. This article makes him sound a bit better then he though. He is 7 stars in my book. This article makes him sound like 9 or 10. Nope. He isn't Michael or Prince. Sorry. And while this article never states that he is trying to be, it sure makes it sound like one day he might be equal to them. I seriously doubt that. Not to sound overly cynical, but I just don't see him being that big of a deal 5 years from now. I mean even people who were a lot bigger then him back in 2002, Eminem for example are kind of fading. If Justified was Justin being Michael, and his new disc is him being Prince, does that mean next time around he is gonna be George Michael? lol
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Reply #14 posted 09/12/06 8:55pm

CHIC0

he was refered to on a television show as the..... KING OF POP. eek
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Reply #15 posted 09/12/06 8:58pm

JasonStar

CHIC0 said:

he was refered to on a television show as the..... KING OF POP. eek


That is one thing I never got. People try to take away Michael's title, but I don't see people calling other rockstars of today "The Boss" or "The King"

It gets old. The King of Pop is as much Michael's title as Prince's is "Royal Badness"
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Reply #16 posted 09/12/06 9:04pm

CHIC0

JasonStar said:

CHIC0 said:

he was refered to on a television show as the..... KING OF POP. eek


That is one thing I never got. People try to take away Michael's title, but I don't see people calling other rockstars of today "The Boss" or "The King"

It gets old. The King of Pop is as much Michael's title as Prince's is "Royal Badness"




though i'm not a huge Michael Jackson fan, i seriously considered callng the show up and using some very naughty words about that. disbelief
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Reply #17 posted 09/12/06 9:43pm

thekidsgirl

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It's a good album I'll admit, but this reporter went a bit overboard
Get off Justin's balls honey!
he's singing catchy pop music, not composing a masterpiece razz
If you will, so will I
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Reply #18 posted 09/12/06 9:44pm

thekidsgirl

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JasonStar said:

CHIC0 said:

he was refered to on a television show as the..... KING OF POP. eek


That is one thing I never got. People try to take away Michael's title, but I don't see people calling other rockstars of today "The Boss" or "The King"

It gets old. The King of Pop is as much Michael's title as Prince's is "Royal Badness"


True

no matter how much bad press MJ get's
He's the ONLY "King of Pop"
If you will, so will I
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Reply #19 posted 09/13/06 2:14am

papaa

OH MAN

JasonStar said:

One day back in 2004, I realized why up to that point, I had always hated on Justin. It was because: I wished I had his life.


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lol

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Reply #20 posted 09/13/06 5:29am

Isel

I know he wouldn't go there, but could Prince sue Justin?

Are the "rip-offs" close enough for Prince to actually do something about?

Of course Justin did sample Prince, right? So Prince had to give permission to use his work.

This is what I really don't like about Justin. It's like he just copies people. Prince receives tons of respect, if not a lot of sales, so since Justin wants to be respected--and it's en vogue (for a lack of a better expression)to support Prince, now he is trying to be Prince rather than Michael or Justin. He might be able to pull-off the "pop" aspect of Prince, but Justin will never be up there giving a performance like Prince did at the recent BET awards or at the tribute for George Harrison for the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. Plus, from what I've read here, Prince seems to be so accessible now in spite of this reclusive persona he has. I just think it's cool that he goes to these dives and performs. A number of years ago, he was here in Austin and went to a local club--shot some pool. I think he may have performed as well. It's weird about the reality of Prince, and the aloofness he tries to project. To me, Justin is just the opposite tries to project this accessibility--like he wants to be cool or something--but is really more aloof than Prince.

To me, Justin is so one-dimensional, but he pretends to be so much more.
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Reply #21 posted 09/13/06 5:39am

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Isel said:

I know he wouldn't go there, but could Prince sue Justin?

Are the "rip-offs" close enough for Prince to actually do something about?

Of course Justin did sample Prince, right? So Prince had to give permission to use his work.



So he is directly sampling Prince? Do you know which song?

I honestly don't think FS/LS is that bad of an album but then I’ve always liked Timbaland’s production. Some of the stuff he did with Aaliyah and Missy is crazy but with JT I can’t get past this feeling that he’s just trying whatever works.

And he does seem one dimensional. A guy like him is better off not talking so much.
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Reply #22 posted 09/13/06 5:44am

Isel

JackieBlue said:

Isel said:

I know he wouldn't go there, but could Prince sue Justin?

Are the "rip-offs" close enough for Prince to actually do something about?

Of course Justin did sample Prince, right? So Prince had to give permission to use his work.



So he is directly sampling Prince? Do you know which song?

I honestly don't think FS/LS is that bad of an album but then I’ve always liked Timbaland’s production. Some of the stuff he did with Aaliyah and Missy is crazy but with JT I can’t get past this feeling that he’s just trying whatever works.

And he does seem one dimensional. A guy like him is better off not talking so much.


I read that he sampled Prince??? I haven't heard the cd. I'm just not even interested.

I agree that Justin just tries whatever works. wink
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Reply #23 posted 09/13/06 5:48am

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Okay, I thought he actually used something.

Dude just doesn't seem authentic at all and that rubs me the wrong way. And he's not as hot as he'd like to think he is. I hated seeing Timbaland on stage with him at the VMAs looking like his sidekick. WTF?
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Reply #24 posted 09/13/06 5:51am

WildStyle

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Timberlake needs to bow down to the Neptunes and Timbaland for basically handing him a solo career. Without them he is nothing.
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Reply #25 posted 09/13/06 5:57am

Isel

JackieBlue said:

Okay, I thought he actually used something.

Dude just doesn't seem authentic at all and that rubs me the wrong way. And he's not as hot as he'd like to think he is. I hated seeing Timbaland on stage with him at the VMAs looking like his sidekick. WTF?


Honestly, I just have never liked the guy, so I guess my judgment is clouded a bit. I've never thought Justin was attractive in the least. I.. ewww. I've never liked his persona or his music either.

So when Justin just did not even support Janet, my reaction was like--"Well yeah, Justin is a jerk. I knew that."

And now, he is ripping-off Prince. That just pisses me off. I guess Prince isn't bothered by it really because I'm sure he knows that people know there is no comparision. I would think that Michael just disregards Justin as well.

The deal is sure there are all these comparisions to legends, but Justin isn't a legend himself. Next, Justin will be imitating Elvis or Willie Nelson. biggrin biggrin And people will buy into it because some don't know any better. Sure Justin will sell millions. I'm sure the guy does a nice impersonation. However, I'd rather listen to a Prince cd than even buy Justin's.
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Reply #26 posted 09/13/06 6:02am

SoulAlive

so we all agree....JUSTIN TIMBERFAKE sucks! lol

You couldn't pay me to sit and listen to his CD.
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Reply #27 posted 09/13/06 6:09am

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I never liked him either. Just something about him. I remember seeing footage of N'Sync and he was the one that always had snide and sarcastic comments. If I'm not crazy about the artist or don't get some sort of good vibe or connection it's hard for me to really get into their music or support them. I feel like Justin should have just asked Prince to play on the album.
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Reply #28 posted 09/13/06 8:05am

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The album is garbage with a few nice tracks throw in (I do like LoveStoned). Timberland is coasting, and Justin's only as good as his producer.
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Reply #29 posted 09/13/06 10:03am

newskin69

Just bought Future Sex/Love Sounds...I like it. It's a nice direction for todays pop music. Sure, he may not be Michael Jackson(very much less Prince), but he's talented, and this is a decent pop album.

Does it bother me that he takes too many cues from Prince on the album? Not in the slightest. I know I might get shit for saying this...but MJ and Prince did similar things. Alot of MJs moves are heavily inspired by James Brown and Fred Astaire. Same with Prince, who's taken cues from James Brown, Little Richard and Jimi Hendrix.

It's just a cycle, really. MJ and Prince payed homage to there heroes, now JT is paying homage to his heroes, whom happen to be both MJ and Prince. At least JT has good influences to follow, and you have to admit that, compared to alot of the tired ass hiphop that's taken over pop radio, this is a very nice change.

BTW...I heard that Nelly Furtado's new album is similar to JT's album. Is this true? Im thinking of buying it based on some of the positive things Ive heard about it.
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