FIRST OFF IM PISSED THAT YOU ALL DROVE AWAY MY SECOND FAVORITE ORGER, VOICES CARRY. BUT SERIOUSLY PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE SO RETARDED WHEN IT COMES TO JANET. WHY THE HATE? WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARDS? "SHE SHOULD BE POLITICAL...SHE HAS ONE GOOD ALBUM LEFT IN HER THIS ISN'T IT...ok i'll take the caps off. No one has heard the album yet, people are negative toward the motherf*cking TRACKLISTING. It's like you all are looking to sabotage the project a month before it comes out. We have heard "Call on Me," a light ballad meant to get her some airplay on urban radio (which is working REALLY well by the way), and LOW QUALITY versions of "So Excited" and "Enjoy." "So Excited" IS a dance track and it is in the same vein as the Ciara/Cassie vibe that is on the charts right now...she needs ONE track like that for the record to succeed, DAMN! And "Enjoy" is total vintage Janet...though we haven't even heard it IN CD QUALITY. And she should put her clothes back on? Fuck that noise, it's so played out. You all are so agist. But that's beside the point...you've heard THREE SONGS, only ONE IN HQ. And already you're bashing the entire record. I just want to know what is the hidden agenda? Why do you all have so much animosity to an artist who is sexual when you are fans of PRINCE?!?!?! It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

Just had to get that off my chest...you all are such BUZZKILLS about this new Janet era it's so irritating.
[Edited 8/30/06 11:14am]

...waits for the bashing and personal attacks to begin...

No, but seriously, this album is so gonna suck...

badujunkie said:

Why? You'll have the last laugh on this one. I suspect that next video will be hot. The CD too.

SpcMs said:

WTF is so funny?

badujunkie said:

AWRIDE ! THE KNOCKDOWN PART 2 ... U Go GRL !
& paging JANFAN4L

Well, first of all, you have to realize that a lot of this negativity is coming from Janet fans; a lot of us have been with her for many, many years and expect a certain level of quality control from Miss J. It's not that we set out to dislike her new material; we just feel that it's just not up to the same standards that she had circa 1986-1998.

Secondly, this isn't a Janet Jackson message board; we were not all brought here by our overwhelming love for Damita. While many of us do count ourselves as Janet fans, we aren't here because we necessarily support what she's doing at the moment. Because of this, a lot of us are being accused of being "haters", which is one of the most immature, ridiclious accusations out there. It's not like we actively sought out a Janet Jackson message board to spam.

Thirdly, as much fun as Voicescarry can be, he was one of the cattiest, if not the cattiest orger. As soon as Beyonce, Christina, Britney, Ashanti, Ciara or any other popstar was in the news, he was the first person to post a disparaging comment about them. WHile funny, it was also somewhat hypocritical, ie: posting about Beyonce's split personality when he would've been defending Janet had someone made the same post about "Damita".

Finally, as tired as people get of the Janet "hating/bashing", other people get tired of being admonished for expressing their opinions. You like Janet, you will support her through thick and thin; great. Fine. You have the right to feel that way and defend her, just as we have the right to express our disappointment. I've been a fan since 1989 or 1990, so that's at least 16 years of fandom. Janet is not my family member, Janet did not save my life. Janet is not my personal savior. If I don't agree with what she's doing, I'm going to say so. As I said before, this is not Janetjackson.com, I have not come here to rain on anyone's parade, but only to join in with everyone else in expressing my opinion.

100MPH said:

Yep. Grab the popcorn and pull up a chair. This should be fun! Though I suspect bj could be fighting the mob single handed.

badujunkie said:

I agree with 100% on dissing the CD because of the tracklisting. That's just plain stupid.

However, why do you get upset over people not liking Janet. There are people out there who just don't believe she's all that, (I know that's a hard pill to swallow) unlike many of her fans who believe she is be all and end all when it comes to music.

If Janet is Janet, then she is going to do well regardless of what people say.

Secondly, I think many Janet fans, especially Voicescarry, who claimed they heard some of the tracks before, created such over-hype stating "OMG, the track is so hot, I can't stand it, Janet is the best, blah blah blah," then when we heard it, it was just blah. Voicescarry and others seem unable to objectively present Janet music. To them anything she does is great and when you come to the Org with this over-hype Janet can do no wrong mentality, you're going to get a backlash. Even I as a Prince fan can say a song sucks, when it sucks.

Lastly, you mentioned Prince. When Prince was flaunting his sexuality, he was very young and, it was at a time when the majority in the music industry was not doing it, therefore it made him unique and exciting in a different way. Janet is doing that now, when it seems that it's the only way most females seem the need to promote themselves, therefore it just comes off as trashy now.

Either way, I'm not impressed with the first three singles, yet deep down, I still believe the other tracks are great and I'm going to withhold judgement until the CD drops. WHICH EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO.
[Edited 8/30/06 11:29am]

Janet hatred drove VC away? I thought he was a busy college student and that's why he took long breaks from the org.

And about the whole "double standard" thing in regards to Janet being sexual, the most likely reasons why people don't complain about it with Prince and, say, Madonna as much are the following, IMO:

1) Unlike those two, Janet has not grown with age. P and Madge have not completely given up their wild side, but they've toned it down in their middle ages and put more of a focus on other aspects of their careers, whereas Janet just remains in stagnation.

And...

2) If you're going to keep flaunting your sexual side at 40 or older, have the SWAGGER to back it up. Prince and Madonna can get away with it easier because they've always kept it ballsy and slightly tongue-in-cheek, whereas Janet comes across as flat-out immature, boring, coy, and a little pathetic.

badujunkie: I definitely don't hate on Janet. She's a favorite.

But let's be honest. Her talent is limited. It is wholly dependent on the quality of her production, and her sex appeal. She's spawned dozens of clones(that includes any single-name songstress not named Madonna or Sade) that she is now competing with. Donna Summer couldn't compete with Janet Jackson in 1993. Janet shouldn't compete with these young gals in 2006.

Herein lies the dilemma. No one really wants to see Janet run around like she's in her twenties. She also sounds a little odd when she tries to sound like a hit-pop ingenue. But she can't fall back on her voice or her original formula.

She can still put out a good song, but she's not 20 Y.O. anymore. Do you want to see her doing this at 45? 50?

100MPH said:

Thank ya...but I'm a boy actually.

Well even Madonna gets a lot of hate on this board. Maybe I notice it more because I'm a fan, but there is plenty of negative comments about her looks and music and not acting her age.

MJ gets a lot of hate here too. So does Prince in the Prince forum ironically enough.

And VC is a great orger, but as Axchi said, he can't take a negative comment about Janet without going into a hissy fit. Meanwhile he always seems to love posting threads about every other popstar in a negative light. Then Janet comes out with a new song and he's all up her ass.

People are going to say what they want to say. I've learned the hard way so I just suggest to ignore comments and topics that put Janet in a negative light. I know that seems hard, but you're really not going to sway someone else's opinion by having a fit will you?

First cassette i owned Control
First concert i saw RN1814
second concert i saw janet.
saw Velevet Rope saw All 4 U
own every janet cd including Janet Jackson and Dream Street


if i want to be critical i'm entitled i've spent enough money on her to.

i wanted to be a janet dancer so my mom put me in dance classes when i was in elemantary school.

namepeace said:

I want my favorite artists to keep doing their thing until they physically can't anymore. I love Tina Turner, if we had discarded her at 40 saying "you want her to go onstage in miniskirts and shake her ass at 45 or 50?" YOU KNOW WHAT WE WOULD HAVE MISSED? I just saw EWF and they blew me the fuck away. They're awesome and Philip Bailey?
What about James Brown?

A brilliant entertainer is a brilliant entertainer. That's why I feel people on this board can be so agist. It's so shallow. What, are you supposed to join the knitting club or just be an infrequent guest on The View once you hit 40 and that's it?

namepeace said:

I'm not sure I agree with this. Many on the Org can't stand the young ones Janet is supposedly competing with either and I don't think Janet or anyone should care about the competition because their in such bad shape.

However when you have Jermain Dupree calling everybody else "sloppy" and over-hyping the upcoming CD, then you have three tracks that don't live up to the over-hype and these constant barage of half-naked photos.

All I'm saying is that this album is called 20.Y.O. Why not take it back old-school and kill this over-hype and naked photos and let the music speak for itself like she did with Control.

ehuffnsd said:

I wore out Control on vinyl in high school. RN1814 was one of the very first CDs I bought. I loved Janet. I liked Velvet Rope. The All 4 U show was a GREAT.

However comma.

badujunkie said:

checkcheckcheck .... sorry

namepeace said:

just not feeling her as of late.

badujunkie said:

Good points, but consider that Janet hasn't a fraction of the singing or musical talent that those artists have. Janet ain't Tina Turner. She can't sang like Philip Bailey. And she ain't James Brown.



Janet puts on a great show. That is true. And she is as sexy as they come. But trying to act like a 20 year-old when you're 40 isn't the way to go either. She seems to be reaching.
[Edited 8/30/06 11:46am]

wonder505 said:

Indeed. The problem is that Janet legitimately has to worry about selling the records and getting in "heavy ro" on MTV and BET. The youngsters get played because the youngsters buy the records and watch TV. Janet is trying to reach that same audience.




And the church says amen.

She's making the same mistake MJ did when he ran away from Quincy. Jimmy and Terry brung ya to the dance. She should stick with them.

badujunkie said:

Tina Turner wasn't singing "Warmth" or "Moist" at almost 40. I don't think Tina was doing the fellating of the mic stand routine in the late '80's - early '90's. And even if she was, that had been part of her routine from the beginning. Thing is, most of us consider Janet's "brilliant entertainer" (which I cringe at compairing Janet and Tina, but...) days as the days BEFORE she had to whip out her boobs for every single picture taken. We're from the days when a sexy Janet song was 'Someday is Tonight' or 'Love Will Never Do'. We all supported Janet when she began to explore her sensual side circa janet. However, this in-your-face Janet stuff isn't allowing us to see any growth at all. I don't want another Britney Spears, one is enough. Janet used to be unique. Now she's no different than the other 25 pop/Rnb women clogging the charts.

I have always dug Janet and supported her but things r not looking good right now. Jd, 3 relased songs that all sound WACK, and that new PLASTIC look of hers? Hummmmm.....

100MPH said:

Don't feel bad. He fooled me as well. Those avatars do it everytime.

namepeace said:

MJ & Q's musical-marriage was @ a certain creative end i guess .
Nothing that has to do with running away . There are times that artist feel the urge to explore in different directions .
To work with a succesfull formula is great but wondering what's on the other side is not a bad thing either , as some "Bad" songs can make one sway too ( Another Part Of Me )

whoknows said:

Axchi696 said:

Thank God for that.

Anyway, Janet is not even in the same stratosphere as EWF or Tina Turner and I've been one of Janet's biggest fans from as far back as her damn Mae West imitations but let's be real.

Looking good and feeling good at any age is fine but Janet doesn't seem to be growing much as an artist and while her long time fans are getting older and discovering new artists or digging stronger ones, Ms. Nasty is getting left in the dust. We are no longer satisfied or mesmerized by her pushed up boobs, pretty smile, predictable giggling, sexual lyrics and multiple interludes. She needs to step it up a notch, lyrically and musically. Gone are the days of running out to the store and buying magazines simply because it's Janet. She's gonna have to work a little harder to capture my interest or get my money.

Ok, fair enough. When people started judging the album as awful based on the tracklisting and saying that this record is gonna flop based on 3 songs...I just thought it was fucking unbelievable. But I don't care anymore. Whatever. If you have such intellectualized opinions on grade A entertainment that keep you from enjoying it...you're missing out. No big deal. I'll enjoy the show.

At the end of the day, I don't think anybody hates Janet. Harsh criticisms come with being on the internet and being on the Org. You've bashed Mariah haven't you? I'm one of maybe 2 people here who doesn't bash her but what can I do? They're just opinions. Don't let anybody blow your high.

JackieBlue said:

But can I get blown while I'm high?

Yes, I have bashed Mariah but based on her stupidity, not her tracklisting and songtitles. Certain orgers here have made dialogue and debate about popular music IMPOSSIBLE with unreasonable and unfounded criticism. Lets debate what we don't like about "So Excited." Lets talk about why the 3 tracks are underwhelming, not "THIS WHOLE LP SUCKS. PERIOD." I always say WHY I don't like something Mariah does.
[Edited 8/30/06 12:16pm]