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PrintableGraycap23 said: "2 some degree Aaron was over singing a bit but it worked. I'm still tripping off that fact that some actually enjoyed Timmy's singing. That is the 1st time I've ever heard that. Teddy can't sing worth a damn either. The problem is, Teddy thought that he COULD."
Most soul singers in the 1980s can be accused of oversinging, so let's not lay that on Aaron Hall solely. I'm like you, though, I find it ... interesting ... that anyone could say that they liked Timmy Gatling's debut album better than GUY's while taking a slight swipe at Hall's singing at the same time. Like you, I've never heard that one before. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: Graycap23 said: "2 some degree Aaron was over singing a bit but it worked. I'm still tripping off that fact that some actually enjoyed Timmy's singing. That is the 1st time I've ever heard that. Teddy can't sing worth a damn either. The problem is, Teddy thought that he COULD."
Most soul singers in the 1980s can be accused of oversinging, so let's not lay that on Aaron Hall solely. I'm like you, though, I find it ... interesting ... that anyone could say that they liked Timmy Gatling's debut album better than GUY's while taking a slight swipe at Hall's singing at the same time. Like you, I've never heard that one before. Maybe he is TIMMY? | |
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Graycap23 said: "Maybe he is TIMMY?"
Apparently, both of Timmy Gatling's fans have made it to this thread. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "Dude, did Timmy beat you down or something? I mean seriously. On the real, I've NEVER seen anyone so "bothered" by something so trivial as this? It's like you're on a personal crusade to remove and diss Timmy from all things Guy. You REALLY & TRULY seem troubled by this. It's music, playa. Relax.
And I also don't believe your 2nd paragraph - None of it."" I never heard of someone who actually cares about Timmy Gatling the way you did. I must have missed something in this revolutionary artist who fell off the face of the Earth and is only known for foolishly quitting GUY before their debut album was released. So tell us where do "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" rate in the relevance of songs from GUY's first album? Ahead of "Groove Me?" "I Like?" "Piece of My Love?" "Goodbye Love?" [Edited 9/1/06 8:54am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "So, do me a favor. PROVE I care about Timmy the way YOU care about removing him from ALL THINGS GUY and then dissing him."
Son, I'm not the one making any personal attacks on people -- you are. I haven't trashed Timmy Gatling personally, but stated the reality is that he quit GUY before their first album came out and that I don't find it unreasonable if a re-issued GUY album removed his songs if it meant adding "My Fantasy." I'm sorry, but "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" were not and are not relevant in enjoying the album. It's a fair assessment to call them the weakest songs on the album, after the five released singles and album tracks "Piece of My Love" and "Goodbye Love." So at best, you're talking about one of them being the eighth-best song on a 10-album set. I've even conceded with AlexdeParis that "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" could be left on a re-issued "GUY" provided that "My Fantasy" and a select group of remixes were added. But apparently you didn't read that. LuxuryBrown said: "Your ENTIRE existence in this thread is to diss Timmy. Why? What did Tim do to you? I'm just curious. becuase I've never seen anyone attack such a miniscule artist like this."
No, the more relevant question is why are you being so incredibly immature about a couple of filler tracks that at least in some people's eyes are not considered part of GUY's catalog. They certainly aren't necessary to the success of "GUY" or a compilation of their greatest songs. And yes, I have made plenty of copies of this album over the years. As early as 1989 when the album ran its course and the remixes for their singles came out as well as "My Fantasy," I never got a request to add "My Business" and only once did I get a request for "You Can Call Me Crazy." Practically everyone I know who is a GUY fan don't even consider those songs, given that Gatling left the group before the first album was released and they were filler tracks. [Edited 9/1/06 9:22am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "See, that's your problem right there. Your God-complex is showing. No one here has to prove a damn thing to you as why they like Tim's cuts and you're ridiculous for even thinking they do or should."
In other words, you can't come up with a logical response. That's understandable -- an immature person who resorts to personal attacks usually can't articulate himself or herself well. I didn't say you could or could not like Timmy Gatling's songs -- I asked what relevance do they have in the scheme of GUY's work. I named songs obviously more essential to GUY's legacy, and that in light of the circumstances "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" can be deleted. [Edited 9/1/06 9:27am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "Gee, did it EVER dawn on you that they were cool having Timmy's cuts on there, even after he left? Better yet, did you think they may have even thought those 2 cuts might be hits for them? I think YOU may be the only one with these major-ass issues about Timmy's songs being on the album."
A logical explanation is that this was the debut album of a new group and the record company may have been unsure on whether it wanted to spend more budgeted money on this unproven act recording two more songs. It's more cost effective to simply ignore the songs, especially since they were not strong enough to be considered as singles and seemed out of place with the bulk of the other material. Another obvious consideration is the timing of when Timmy Gatling left the group. It's highly likely he quit after the album was in mass production -- hence, the songs not being removed and Gatling's picture still being on the album cover. Damion Hall joined the group in time to be included in the liner notes and later appear in the video for "Groove Me." Evidently, MCA Records didn't think the Gatling songs could be hit singles because they never released them as singles. "My Business" was too bad of a song to consider even being a single, and what sense would it make to release "You Can Call Me Crazy" as a single when the person singing was not a member of GUY? Especially when songs like "Piece of My Love" and "Goodbye Love" dominated the airwaves and yet were never released as singles? BTW, Gatling left GUY under acrimonious dealings with Teddy Riley and Gene Griffin over creative differences, so I doubt that Riley wanted to keep Gatling's songs on the album. Next question: LuxuryBrown said: "Then you lied about saying you haven't trashed Timmy at all when ALL you're doing is trashing him and his contribution to a hit album."
Trashing someone is taking personal shots at people, such as saying Gatling "couldn't sing worth shit," which someone else has said in thread. I've said 1.) Gatling was not a member of GUY when their first album came out and 2.) "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" were arguably the weakest two songs on the album. Stating facts is not "trashing" someone. Evidently, you cannot tell the difference. [Edited 9/1/06 10:29am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: Graycap23 said: "Maybe he is TIMMY?"
Apparently, both of Timmy Gatling's fans have made it to this thread. Lol.....  | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "Hmm? I seem to recall MOI saying something VERY similiar to that very same 'LOGICAL' explanation that YOU listed. But oh well, you rule here at the Org so we'll just say that YOU came up with those explanations.
"You have yet to say anything that makes common sense. Your previous statement suggested that Teddy Riley and crew and MCA Records possibly were happy leaving the Timmy Gatling songs on "GUY," even entertaining the thought these songs could be released as hit singles. Forget the fact that it flies in the face of Gatling leaving the group on acrimonious terms because of creative control. The songs likely were left on the album because Gatling quit as "GUY" was going to mass production. Given the circumstances, it makes more sense to ignore the songs than to stop the presses -- especially concerning the debut album of an unproven group. LuxuryBrown said: "And you saying his songs weren't 'relevant' IS trashing the man, so don't even try and go theere, it's purely semantics, kid, and it's something you're not even good at disguising, I might add."
You're the only person I've heard in nearly 20 years since the release of "GUY" who is trying to make the argument that "My Business" and "You Can Call Me Crazy" are relevant to GUY's legacy. The songs AREN'T revelant OR essential to any GUY collection, beyond the trivia question of the person who left GUY before the album was released. So which one are you: Timmy Gatling or his boy, Alton "Wokie" Stewart? [Edited 9/1/06 17:04pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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LuxuryBrown said: "I know it's only the 1st day of September, but I'm willing to bet that that will end up being the most ridiculous and ignorant thing that I will read all month. Any takers?"
You're right, because "My Business" is as essential listening to GUY as is "Groove Me," "Piece of My Love" and "I Like." Nice talking to you, Timmy or Wokie. [Edited 9/1/06 16:58pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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How did y'all find a way to ARGUE about Guy???   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: "How did y'all find a way to ARGUE about Guy???
"No argument now, since LuxuryBrown's personal attacks have been deleted by the moderator. 
I've never been in a discussion about GUY where someone is extolling the greatness of Timmy Gatling. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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jjam said: "I thought that 'Dancin'' was a great lead single and hoped that it would bode well for 'Guy III.' Unfortunately not."
You had a feeling "GUY III" was in trouble when the lead single from a band featuring Teddy Riley was NOT produced by Riley, and instead was produced by someone considered a watered-down version of Riley during the early 1990s. And for all the albums for this to happen, on a GUY reunion album?!? [Edited 9/3/06 17:23pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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"Dancin'" is a co-production, as far as I'm aware. Teddy's involved; I could only go by hearing it when it first came out without knowing of the Untouchables' involvement, and it sounded like a hit to me. | |
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jjam said: "'Dancin'' is a co-production, as far as I'm aware. Teddy's involved; I could only go by hearing it when it first came out without knowing of the Untouchables' involvement, and it sounded like a hit to me."
Considering that Teddy Riley was considered one of the top producers in contemporary black music from the late 1980s to the late 1990s, the fact that he could not produce a lead single was not a good sign. D.J. Eddie F. produced the song and written mostly by his crew. On top of that, "Dancin'" sounded like a song performed by Next -- another bad sign when a group considered trailblazers ends up copying and sounding like other groups. It was a generic song on an album filled with uninspired Riley tracks and songs reminiscent of Aaron Hall's sloppy solo efforts. I wasn't surprised when the single and later the album flopped. [Edited 9/4/06 6:18am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Looking at what I missed, I'm almost thankful Ernesto knocked out my lights for the last few days. FWIW, I love "Dancin'."
"My Fantasy" was released by another record label, which is also why it's credited to "Teddy Riley featuring Guy." "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: "Looking at what I missed, I'm almost thankful Ernesto knocked out my lights for the last few days. FWIW, I love 'Dancin.'"
"GUY III" was a huge flop, to say the least. By this time, it was obvious that Teddy Riley had run out of creative ideas. Moreover, Aaron Hall had lost whatever mystique he had and put in some rather lackluster performances. AlexdeParis said: "'My Fantasy' was released by another record label, which is also why it's credited to 'Teddy Riley featuring Guy.'"
Which means nothing since "My Fantasy" appears on two GUY greatest hits compilations (by MCA and Geffen, respectively). GUY was on MCA during their career. [Edited 9/4/06 6:15am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Girl I like
a piece of your love when you spend the night when you groove me everything is right Call me crazy 'cause I'm in a daze 'Round and 'round and then it pays To jam with Ted and the rest of Guy Had a love and I said goodbye Don't clap, just D-A-N-C-E with my fantasy  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Najee said: AlexdeParis said: "No! That's a terrible idea! OK, it's not a bad idea at all, but "My Fantasy" is the least of our concerns. You can get mixes of that on the remastered Do the Right Thing soundtrack (although not exactly the one you want). The video remix of 'Spend the Night' should be priority #1. #2 should be all of the 12" mixes. I want a two-disk set!"
Personally, the Timmy Gatling songs can be dropped in favor of "My Fantasy" for these reasons: 1.) Gatling quit GUY before the album hit the streets. 2.) "My Fantasy" was GUY's first chart-topping single. 3.) "My Fantasy" was definitely more in line with the sound and style associated with GUY. "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" don't fit with the rest of the material, especially in light of Gatling no longer being in the group. 4.) Of all the songs on that album, the Gatling songs got the least rotation on radio stations, in clubs and in people's personal music and they were least memorable. [Edited 8/31/06 5:06am] You can have a piece of my love.....DUMB BITCH.....it's waiting for you.... Loved the album. Loved Gatling 's You Can Call Me Crazy, thought they should have released it even though he split, I mean I can't remember any song being sung by Damian(what was he in the group for anyway) | |
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thesexofit said: LuxuryBrown said: [Bait snip - luv4u]His smooth voise was a good transition from the Charlie Wilson-esque Aaron Hall. And WHO can forget the mega-jam "You Can Call Me Crazy"?! Timmy's songs NEED to be on there and they ADD to the album rather than take away from it. Who gives a shit about "rotation"? Does anyone remember Timmy gatling' solo album "help"? I personally prefer it over guy's debut. Guy did the best remixes. "i like" and "round and round" are killer. "It ain't over" Also, yes, the "dog me out" remix with aquil kicks major ass. I liked "I Like" on the album alot better than the remix.....strange but true. Some songs just don't need to be messed with. The remix sounded mixed up. | |
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dseann said: "You can have a piece of my love.....DUMB BITCH.....it's waiting for you...."
Where is this reference to "dumb bitch" in "Piece of My Love?" THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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AlexdeParis said: thesexofit said: So anyway, did anyone pick up Timmy Gatlings one and only solo album? Timmy's voice ain't too good, but at leasrt he doesn't oversing like aaron did at times.
 Talking about Aaron is not cool!  Well...he did tend to oversing at times and.....well....I'll leave it at that. He was my boy though, still don't like R. Kelly to this day because he came out as an imitation of the Hall. | |
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Najee said: LuxuryBrown said: "Nope. Not joking at all. And the album was already mixed and done by the time Timmy dropped out, so why spend the extra money taking off good songs in the first place?"
The Timmy Gatling songs can be dropped in a remastered GUY album and "My Fantasy" can be added, similar to how Motown reissued Boyz II Men's "Cooleyhighharmony" with "End of the Road." I wasn't talking about when the album was being released in 1988, but future releases of the album. LuxuryBrown said: "You can call them awful all you want but the majority of Guy fans are feelin' those 2 cuts, you're probably in the minority...easily."
And you know this because you conducted a scientific survey and got the opinion of every GUY fan, right?
If the songs are so essential, then why aren't they on any of the compilation GUY albums out there? So why of all the songs on that album that either was released as a single or played heavily on radio stations or in clubs, those two are at the bottom of the list? One song was a direct ripoff of Al B. Sure!'s sound ("You Can Call Me Crazy") and the other was a rancid filler track ("My Business") tucked on the end of the album. In fact, when you listen to those songs it seems like Gatling recorded those songs by himself -- there is nothing to suggest that Teddy Riley and Aaron Hall helped out on those songs. [Edited 9/1/06 17:13pm] Sorry friend, but Teddy's influence was all over "Call Me Crazy"....Business should have been left on the cutting room floor so to speak or just deleted from Q-base if that's what they used back in those days. | |
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Najee said: Graycap23 said: "Maybe he is TIMMY?"
Apparently, both of Timmy Gatling's fans have made it to this thread.  | |
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Najee said: dseann said: "You can have a piece of my love.....DUMB BITCH.....it's waiting for you...."
Where is this reference to "dumb bitch" in "Piece of My Love?" Please listen to the opening of the song carefully and you will hear it. It's just before the first verse begins. If you really listen to the lyrics it makes sense to call whoever the song is about a "dumb bitch" | |
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dseann said: "Sorry friend, but Teddy's influence was all over 'Call Me Crazy'....Business should have been left on the cutting room floor so to speak or just deleted from Q-base if that's what they used back in those days."
Then evidently Timmy Gatling's inspiration was Kyle West and Al B. Sure!, because "You Can Call Me Crazy" in every fashion sounded like an Al B. Sure! song -- it was a clone of "Rescue Me," and later Al B. Sure! songs "Long as We're Together" (a duet with Al Green) and "Misunderstanding" and "Private Times." It doesn't sound remotely similar to the other songs on "GUY." [Edited 9/4/06 13:02pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: dseann said: "Sorry friend, but Teddy's influence was all over 'Call Me Crazy'....Business should have been left on the cutting room floor so to speak or just deleted from Q-base if that's what they used back in those days."
Then evidently Timmy Gatling's inspiration was Kyle West and Al B. Sure!, because "You Can Call Me Crazy" in every fashion sounded like an Al B. Sure! song. It doesn't sound remotely similar to the other songs on "GUY." Let's not forget that Teddy worked on Al's first album as well, but the beat was made by Teddy the keyboards are also all Teddy. That's all I'm saying, it was New Jack Swing with a different voice...he's no Luther, don't get me wrong, but it was a decent jam, you gotta admit that, the bass line is funky as hell.  | |
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dseann said: "Please listen to the opening of the song carefully and you will hear it.
It's just before the first verse begins. If you really listen to the lyrics it makes sense to call whoever the song is about a 'dumb bitch.'" I've heard this song plenty of times over the past 19 years, and in fact I'm listening to it as I type it. I don't hear some reference to Aaron Hall saying "dumb bitch" before the first verse. I feel that is a case of interpreting Hall's ad-libbing and interpreting into something to reconcile with the song. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: dseann said: "Sorry friend, but Teddy's influence was all over 'Call Me Crazy'....Business should have been left on the cutting room floor so to speak or just deleted from Q-base if that's what they used back in those days."
Then evidently Timmy Gatling's inspiration was Kyle West and Al B. Sure!, because "You Can Call Me Crazy" in every fashion sounded like an Al B. Sure! song -- it was a clone of "Rescue Me," and later Al B. Sure! songs "Long as We're Together" (a duet with Al Green) and "Misunderstanding" and "Private Times". It doesn't sound remotely similar to the other songs on "GUY." Didn't Al say Teddy stole that song from him? If that really is the case, Teddy definitely wanted it on the album. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: Najee said: Then evidently Timmy Gatling's inspiration was Kyle West and Al B. Sure!, because "You Can Call Me Crazy" in every fashion sounded like an Al B. Sure! song -- it was a clone of "Rescue Me," and later Al B. Sure! songs "Long as We're Together" (a duet with Al Green) and "Misunderstanding" and "Private Times". It doesn't sound remotely similar to the other songs on "GUY." Didn't Al say Teddy stole that song from him? If that really is the case, Teddy definitely wanted it on the album. | |
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