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Hip-Hoppers "Rock" too. An Article... The Hip-Hop Generation Grabs a Guitar
By TOURI T'S near midnight at Joe's Pub in the East Village and the movement is in full effect. A roomful of twentyish and thirtyish black folk for whom hip-hop has been like a religion most of their lives are cheering as Mos Def, an esteemed rapper, roars through a set of hard rock songs, singing over the crunch of heavy guitars. He launches into a song called "Ghetto Rock." The chorus goes: "Yes, we are so ghetto! Yes, we are rock 'n' roll!" The song ends, and Mos says, "Y'all want some more rock 'n' roll?" The crowd screams for more. He tells them: "It's a whole movement, like Fela with Afrobeat. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. Noah, too." There is indeed a movement under way. Rock has long been one of the sounds hip-hop used in its pastiche, but aside from groups like Outkast and GooDie Mob, who drench themselves in funked-out rock, it has consisted of a sampled riff here and there. Now the hip-hop generation is grabbing guitars and making rock 'n' roll. "This is the sound of new America," said Martin Luther, a rising rock musician from San Francisco. "I'm coming to kill all the slave masters' memories! Hip-hop gave us that voice that allowed us to create who we were. Black rock 'n' roll is now a next something for those kids who've grown up, who still have that urban energy, but have experienced some pain to where they don't feel embarassed about showing some vulnerability." This new black rock movement has been around a few years, and its audience is small but growing. Though blacks created the rock 'n' roll and blues music that paved the way for whites to become early rock innovators, blacks have largely shunned rock both as fans and as players for decades. In the 1960's Jimi Hendrix was dismissed by many blacks for playing what they called "white boy music." Today's black rockers see such obstacles as challenges they gladly accept. They are moved by the sonic aggression of hip-hop, its obsession with rhythm and the way it reflects, reports on and evokes the lifestyles of black people around the country. They are also turned off by the current state of hip-hop and R &B, with their limited subject matter and emotional options. Their sound is most often a deeply soul-inflected rock reminiscent of the mellower moments of Jimi Hendrix, Prince and Parliament Funkadelic rather than the full-on guitar assault of Fishbone or Living Colour. Much of this rock is difficult to distinguish from soul music, but the musicians use the word rock to distance themselves, they say, from the overly produced treacle that passes for modern soul. Rock, they say, gives them the freedom to express their own ideas. Santi White of Stiffed said: "There's a Smiths song that I love that says, `Hang the D.J. because the music he constantly plays says nothing to me about my life.' And that's how I felt. So I said, `Fine, I'm going to find some music that does say something about my life.' " The undisputed aesthetic leader of the movement is an eccentric, 33-year-old, Atlanta-born Los Angeles resident named Cody Chestnutt. He wears a royal blue velvet hat with a large gold buckle that is a cross between a fedora and a stovepipe; answers the phone by saying "Praise the Lord"; and always carries his own drinking glass, a stout bowl-like cup with curved edges that looks like something out of the film "Beetlejuice." In October he will release his debut album, "The Headphone Masterpiece," a stunning collection of 36 mostly laid-back songs on which he sings and plays nearly every instrument. He recorded the album in his bedroom using $10,000 worth of equipment. Its lo-fi quality adds a homespun charm to what he calls "rock with a soulful edge," which recalls the Beatles, the Velvet Underground and the Strokes as well as Sly Stone, Prince and D'Angelo. Mr. Chestnutt said he was a drummer who wrote "the typical smoothed-out R &B" until he heard Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit." "I heard `Teen Spirit,' and I said that's what it's about," he said. "It's powerful, it's passionate, it's living and breathing right now. That song inspired me to pick up the guitar. And the guitar was the turning point." That was about seven years ago. Since then Mr. Chestnutt has not held a job, but, supported by his wife and friends, he has spent his time studying the guitar and searching for a sound that moved him. "I was blessed with having soul," he said, "but I went out to see what's going with the rock 'n' roll that I'm not familiar with. Hip-hop was not speaking to me. I didn't feel like I was learning anything. I was saying, how can I get the same soul that hip-hop has, but have an intellectual stimulation about it?" His first single, "Look Good in Leather," is a deceptively simple ditty that begins with him strumming an acoustic guitar and singing, "I can do anything I want because I look good in leather." What follows is four minutes of bodacious black male vanity and egotism of the sort often heard in hip-hop. It also extols a quintessentially American sartorial style and is thus a celebration of Americana. "That is the Fonz's theme song," Mr. Chestnutt said, referring to the character in the 1970's television show "Happy Days." "This is what `Happy Days' taught us. What defines cool? Black leather jacket and jeans." Such a song would not be possible in hip-hop because of its largely contentious relationship with America and Americanness. Even hip-hop's embrace of the American designer Tommy Hilfiger carries a certain ironic sneer. "Hip-hop brought the whole thing to the next level," Mr. Chestnutt said. "Now it's time to evolve into the future." The 32-year-old Martin Luther is another major voice. His 1999 debut album, "The Calling," and its followup, "Funk Soul Rebel," to be released in the fall, evoke the rock-meets-swinging-funk of Bootsy Collins and Parliament-Funkadelic. Last year Res (pronounced Reese), a singer from Philadelphia, released "How I Do," a collection of seductive post-punk that recalled the Pretenders, with lyrics about self-empowerment that harked back to the roaring female singer-songwriters of the 70's. Most of her songs were written by Santi White, whose band Stiffed has toured with the seminal black punk-hardcore rock band Bad Brains and is releasing a seven-song EP this fall. A number of hip-hop luminaries are also moving into rock territory: the rapper Mos Def, who is starring in "Topdog/Underdog" on Broadway, has been performing and recording with his band Black Jack Johnson, which, filled out by members of Living Colour, Bad Brains and P-Funk, has a hard-edged rock sound reminiscent of Bad Brains or Fishbone. Kamaal, the silky-voiced rapper once known as Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest, has recorded an unreleased album of rock-slash-soul on which he sings. And the top hip-hop producers the Neptunes, calling themselves N.E.R.D., recently released "In Search Of," a critically acclaimed album that features live instruments and singing. It's music that can be classified only as rock 'n' roll. "I could do my thing over a hip-hop beat," Mr. Luther said, seeming to speak for the movement. "But when I do it my way, with these guitars and solos and breakdowns, you actually feel the gospel spirit from which I'm speaking, and the music talks to you in a different place." Mr. Chestnutt said he was dismayed by rappers' and R &B singers' obsession with money, crime, sex, love and their own anger. "Music today doesn't inspire a dialogue," he said. "And if it does, the dialogue is quite hollow. What good does it do me and you to talk about how much you spent on jewelry? It doesn't edify." Rock, he and the others maintain, allows a greater range of musical, lyrical and emotional expression. "In rock you could write a song about a dog and it makes sense," he said. On "The Headphone Masterpiece," Mr. Chestnutt offers songs about how nicotine and caffeine can make it hard to behave like a civilized human being, delivers a lullaby to a baby in which he tells the baby how lucky it is to not have to work and even mentions that he sometimes cries. "Vulnerability doesn't work at all in hip-hop," Mr. Luther said. "You don't want to expose a weakness in that arena. Rock 'n' roll has no boundaries. You can talk about your dreams, fears, all kinds of things." The new black rockers are closeknit: they play songs for each other over the phone and collaborate with one another in the studio. Most of them are friends. "It's so important to have that," Ms. White said, "because you think you're crazy sometimes. Because everyone's like, `What are you doing?' And labels are like, `That won't sell.' And having the others is like having a mirror that talks back. They're saying what you're doing is dope. Then someone will call and say I'm going to quit music. And we're there for each other because you need somebody when you're doing something that a lot of people aren't doing, just to know that you're not lost." But the barriers for the new black rock are high. Consider the the all-black hard-rock band Living Colour. With an endorsement from Mick Jagger and a 1988 hit single, "Cult of Personality," it gained prominence, touring with the Rolling Stones and reaching No. 6 on the Billboard Top 200 Albums Chart. But three subsequent albums sold sluggishly, and in 1995 the quartet disbanded. Its failure to make a lasting impact was partly because of its inability to reach an audience. Perhaps America was unprepared for blacks performing rock 'n' roll, or perhaps the recording industry was unsure of whether to play the group's music on urban radio and BET or on rock radio and MTV. And as unaccustomed as whites might have been to seeing blacks play guitars, blacks were unwilling to see rock as an acceptable form of self-expression for black musicians. To many blacks, rock was still "some old white mess." The new black rockers have already been embraced by MTV: Res's video is played regularly, Mr. Chestnutt was featured on "MTV News" and the Neptunes are ubiquitous on the channel. Still, there's no reason to expect that the movement won't encounter the old stigmas. "Black people in this country are told that they are just a few things," Kamaal said. "The minute that you start to wander and go outside of that you're not black." Corey Glover, the lead singer of Living Colour, added to the thought: "There are some things you're not allowed to express as a black person. You got to be in your b-boy stance. You've got to wear the uniform. If you're out of the uniform, something's wrong with you. My whole life it's been like, `He's cool, he speaks the language, but something's wrong with that boy.' But the freak contingent in the house is bigger than you think it is." Living Colour needed not simply to move the crowd, but also to get the crowd to accept the band's validity, and that demanded changing the perception of blackness for countless listeners, a burden that neither U2 nor Jay-Z ever had to shoulder. The persistent message of hip-hop and R &B is that working-class life is the most relevant of black American experiences: "keep it real" is often code for validating one set of mores to the exclusion of all others. Expanding the nature of music means expanding the definition of what it means to be black in America. The new black rock movement has talent, ambition, guitars and minds it has to change. "I would love for some little black kid to look at me and be like, `If she's doing it then I can do it and still be black,' " Ms. White said. "Black people limit ourselves. We're like, `Oh, if you do that you're not black.' But I'm black and I'm going to do anything I want to do. Then it'll be black because I did it." Touri, a contributing editor for Rolling Stone magazine, is the author of ''The Portable Promised Land,'' a collection of short stories (Little Brown). Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | |
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did u notice that there's no mention of Lenny Kravitz in this article??? | |
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Yeah, I did.
I want to know more about Martin Luther. Anyone? ..and while I'm asking, how about Kinky? Not really related, but I just heard about them and want to know more. And which Rebirth Brass Band album should I buy? __________________________________________
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I'm glad to see the boundaries of hip hop music being stretched beyond what is currently considered hip hop(ie the cookie cutter assembly line formula). | |
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Seems that the same limitations are placed on white guys who dare try to rap, or sing soul, or, I don't know, create Japanese geisha soundtracks. It sucks that people aren't "supposed" to make whatever music feels right to them.
Take that guy from 90210. Brian Austin Green. Now, I'm sure he really felt like his hip-hop came from his soul. Guys like that don't just put out records to make money or anything, I mean he was a true artist. Like Snow. But did he get respect (some might say "props") from the Black (some would say "African-American," or just lowercase "black") community? NO. Racism and prejudice are destroying this country in the exact same way they destroyed Brian Austin Green's career. When will the hatred end? | |
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tommyalma said: Seems that the same limitations are placed on white guys who dare try to rap, or sing soul, or, I don't know, create Japanese geisha soundtracks. It sucks that people aren't "supposed" to make whatever music feels right to them.
Take that guy from 90210. Brian Austin Green. Now, I'm sure he really felt like his hip-hop came from his soul. Guys like that don't just put out records to make money or anything, I mean he was a true artist. Like Snow. But did he get respect (some might say "props") from the Black (some would say "African-American," or just lowercase "black") community? NO. Racism and prejudice are destroying this country in the exact same way they destroyed Brian Austin Green's career. When will the hatred end? He's an actor. If you check you'll find actors of all races aren't usually successful when they enter the music field. And vice versa with musicians entering the acting field. Why would he need props from the Black community? They're not running the music industry, and at least 70% of sales of hip hop isn't being sold to Blacks. The most successful White hip hop performers are the Beastie Boys and Eminem. Had they been actors prior to trying to launch a rap career there's a good chance they wouldn't be successful either. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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I think there's an audience for Black Rock...in Europe at least, we don't got any problem with a brother playing the guitar here.
We're civilized ! | |
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ChimChimBadass said: I think there's an audience for Black Rock...in Europe at least, we don't got any problem with a brother playing the guitar here.
Yep A Guy over 30 Years back Named Jimi Hendrix Rocked your Country Proper&Here as well.there is a Audience always but there is also a Price to Pay from within Our Own Community.if the Guitar ain't plucking Chicken Scratch or is out front too much then A Brother gonna have a Hard time Selling it back within.We're civilized ! mistermaxxx | |
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classic77 said: I'm glad to see the boundaries of hip hop music being stretched beyond what is currently considered hip hop(ie the cookie cutter assembly line formula). Hip-Hop always was Stretched back when Run Dmc was doing there thing,Whodini were rocking out as well.Public Enemy,Ice T.etc.. always had Rock Elements in there Music but somewhere along the lines MC Hammer's "Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em'" became the Rap Staple of how to Blow up.not to mention every few Years a New Logo Blinging there Name&Company on you&there Acts are Pushed outwardly.the Game wasn't always like this.mistermaxxx | |
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tommyalma said: Seems that the same limitations are placed on white guys who dare try to rap, or sing soul, or, I don't know, create Japanese geisha soundtracks. It sucks that people aren't "supposed" to make whatever music feels right to them.
He is about as true as Pat Boone doing a Metal Album give me a Break?Brian Austin Green wasn't even a Scott Baio of a Actor on TV let alone a Credible Rapper.He signed with Yab Yum Records.Babyface's Wife's Label.Snow was catchy until He Melted.Eminem is Respected because of His Wit&Humor.but He is predictable as all Hell IMHO.Beastie Boys just did there thing"Brass Monkey" still gets much Play.but as far as White Rappers Go give me 3rd base anyday overall IMHO.White Dollars Represent 70-80% of all Rap-Hip-Hop Sales.Take that guy from 90210. Brian Austin Green. Now, I'm sure he really felt like his hip-hop came from his soul. Guys like that don't just put out records to make money or anything, I mean he was a true artist. Like Snow. But did he get respect (some might say "props") from the Black (some would say "African-American," or just lowercase "black") community? NO. Racism and prejudice are destroying this country in the exact same way they destroyed Brian Austin Green's career. When will the hatred end? mistermaxxx | |
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Wow, the irony in my Brian Austin Green post went totally over your heads. Sorry about that. | |
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Emoticons help when you're new. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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tommyalma said: Wow, the irony in my Brian Austin Green post went totally over your heads. Sorry about that.
You will find that irony and sarcasm go right over most people's heads on here at most times... Don't let it get you down, I understood what you were saying and I think that it is terrible what happened to that poor, young ghetto-rapping teen star. Tragic. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Supernova said: Emoticons help when you're new.
You mean those smiley faces and that thing for the poop monkey from the other forum? I'll pass. | |
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tommyalma said: Supernova said: Emoticons help when you're new.
You mean those smiley faces and that thing for the poop monkey from the other forum? I'll pass. No, they're not all smiley faces. And I don't know anything about something for a poop monkey. I hope I don't find out either. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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mistermaxxx said: classic77 said: I'm glad to see the boundaries of hip hop music being stretched beyond what is currently considered hip hop(ie the cookie cutter assembly line formula). Hip-Hop always was Stretched back when Run Dmc was doing there thing,Whodini were rocking out as well.Public Enemy,Ice T.etc.. always had Rock Elements in there Music but somewhere along the lines MC Hammer's "Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em'" became the Rap Staple of how to Blow up.not to mention every few Years a New Logo Blinging there Name&Company on you&there Acts are Pushed outwardly.the Game wasn't always like this.No the game wasn't always like this thats why i stated the boundaries being stretched beyond what is CURRENTLY considered hip hop. Hip hop sucks right now except for a handful of artists. I don't even believe its reached its full potential as an art form. | |
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Yeah, remember "Supersonic" by JJ Fadd, and that really minimalist song that goes "Sally...that girl," and something about her being wet? Hi-top fades? Cross Colors? Those were the days. | |
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Supernova said: tommyalma said: Supernova said: Emoticons help when you're new.
You mean those smiley faces and that thing for the poop monkey from the other forum? I'll pass. No, they're not all smiley faces. And I don't know anything about something for a poop monkey. I hope I don't find out either. It's from this one: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=20133 And the emoticons seem cheesy. | |
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tommyalma said: Supernova said: tommyalma said: Supernova said: Emoticons help when you're new.
You mean those smiley faces and that thing for the poop monkey from the other forum? I'll pass. No, they're not all smiley faces. And I don't know anything about something for a poop monkey. I hope I don't find out either. It's from this one: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=20133 And the emoticons seem cheesy. Fair enough. I'm just saying you can't really expect people to know your sarcasm when you're new here. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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I got it on the first round, Tommy. Ain't I smart?
I'd hate be completely prejudiced, but NEVER EVER use sarcasm in the same room with an American. Just to make sure, you know. | |
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Novabreaker said: I got it on the first round, Tommy. Ain't I smart?
I'd hate be completely prejudiced, but NEVER EVER use sarcasm in the same room with an American. Just to make sure, you know. I am an American and I am a master of irony and sarcasm... I think that you will find that some of us are quite adept in our irony and such... SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: I am an American and I am a master of irony and sarcasm... I think that you will find that some of us are quite adept in our irony and such... Icenine, are you being sarcastic? | |
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RandomDuck said: IceNine said: I am an American and I am a master of irony and sarcasm... I think that you will find that some of us are quite adept in our irony and such... Icenine, are you being sarcastic? Nice one! :LOL: SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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I was saying "just to make sure". The odds are usually rather too risky! | |
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