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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. One of the best posts ever!!!!! | |
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vainandy said: AquafineDream said:
This is a new era. And then you say the lack of disclipine of this generation. hell, the rappers of the 80s didn't even pick up fucking instruments. Once again....WRONG! Tell that to folks like The Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Twilight 22, Divine Sounds....hell even Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks" had original music behind it. There were rappers back then that made original music from scratch from the ground up without relying on someone else's old hit to make them a hit. Now, if you are going to say, "A lot of those groups you named ain't rap, they are electro or bass", hell, in the beginning it was called rap. Modern day rappers had to come up with calling it a whole other genre because they didn't have the talent to make something original themselves. Co-sign Vainandy and also BK for kickin' some knowledge up in here. | |
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Music Didn't Die When I turned 30?..... Really?.... Thank you Aquafine for letting me know this! No more listening to classics for me. From now on, nothing but NE YO, Chris Brown, D4L, Britney Spears, Mario, Ashanti, Paris Hilton, The Pussycat Dolls. And everything that P-Diddy and Bad Boy records has ever put out. I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT! | |
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bellanoche said: There is no room for talent, originality or individuality today. Thus we are saddled with a forgettable crop of talentless wonders parading across the airwaves.
That's really not true. There's a fair representation of talented artists on radio today. Yes, they share time with vapid, uninspiring crap. But let's be honest, it's always been that way. You can't discount The Strokes, The Killers, The White Stripes, India.Arie, Anthony Hamilton, Gnarls Barkley, D'Angelo, Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Maxwell. They're all artists from the past 10 years who get regular airplay. And there are others too. Maybe there's a bit more crap to wade thru nowadays than during the time of Debbie Gibson, Tiffany and the legion of Madonna clones. But to say there's no room for talent, originality or individuality today is, IMHO, wrong. | |
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violator said: That's really not true. There's a fair representation of talented artists on radio today. Yes, they share time with vapid, uninspiring crap. But let's be honest, it's always been that way. You can't discount The Strokes, The Killers, The White Stripes, India.Arie, Anthony Hamilton, Gnarls Barkley, D'Angelo, Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Maxwell. They're all artists from the past 10 years who get regular airplay. And there are others too. Maybe there's a bit more crap to wade thru nowadays than during the time of Debbie Gibson, Tiffany and the legion of Madonna clones. But to say there's no room for talent, originality or individuality today is, IMHO, wrong.
Well let's look at the artists that you have named. Most of them are over 30 or close to it. Many of them came on the scene in the late 1990s as part of the "Neo Soul" Movement that was supposed to be a throwback to "real music." Maxwell and D'Angelo haven't released albums in years. Jill Scott's and Erykah Badu's last albums didn't receive nearly as much airplay as their first releases - because the tide has changed. India.Arie and Anthony Hamilton receive limited airplay on mostly Urban Adult Contemporary stations. Gnarls Barkley doesn't get any radio airplay. I am not impressed by The Strokes, The Killers, or The White Stripes, especially The White Stripes, whom I think are very overrated. Now, I am referring to airplay here in Chicago. Considering that Clear Channel owns the major stations here and that playlists are programmed at Clear Channel headquarters, I am assuming that playlists are similar in other Clear Channel owned markets. So, I stand by my previous statement. I did not say that talent did not exist, I simply stated that there is no room for it in the current radio landscape. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. That's right,BlaqueKnight speak the truth!!! | |
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bellanoche said: Well let's look at the artists that you have named. Most of them are over 30 or close to it. Many of them came on the scene in the late 1990s as part of the "Neo Soul" Movement that was supposed to be a throwback to "real music." What difference does it make how old they are? Your statement spoke to the idea that there's no room for talent on the airwaves today. Whether the artist is 30 years old, 80 or 10 is irrelevant. All of the artists I named have been established in the last 10 years and are very much a product of the musical landscape you criticize. bellanoche said: I am not impressed by The Strokes, The Killers, or The White Stripes, especially The White Stripes, whom I think are very overrated.
That's a subjective statement and doesn't really apply here. The fact is, they're all critical darlings, they get airplay, their last releases all went Billboard Top 10 and they sell out everywhere they go. It would be the same as someone else saying that they're not impressed by Stevie Wonder, Prince or George Clinton. | |
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violator said: What difference does it make how old they are? Your statement spoke to the idea that there's no room for talent on the airwaves today. Whether the artist is 30 years old, 80 or 10 is irrelevant. All of the artists I named have been established in the last 10 years and are very much a product of the musical landscape you criticize. Age is at the center of this debate. At least that is what is implied by the "Orgers over 30..." title of this thread. violator said: That's a subjective statement and doesn't really apply here. The fact is, they're all critical darlings, they get airplay, their last releases all went Billboard Top 10 and they sell out everywhere they go. It would be the same as someone else saying that they're not impressed by Stevie Wonder, Prince or George Clinton.
Actually, someone has every right to say they are not impressed by Stevie, Prince or George. I have no problem with that. Just because I love them, doesn't mean that everyone else has to. I've never let the critics, Billboard chart status or ticket sales influence my opinion of an artist. I mean come on, isn't Fergie's London Bridge number one? Many critics panned LoveSexy, which is one of my favorite Prince albums. I've seen Meshell Ndegeocello in half-filled venues. So what. My love of music has never been a follow-the-leader deal. Finally, this entire Web site is based on subjectivity. These are all opinions. Are they not? Let's agree to disagree and move on. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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OK 70's babies 
We get it. Yes the DISCO SUCKS movement didnt exist. Everything in the 1970s was made of gold. All albums in the 1980s are masterpieces. Every single solitary thing to come out of the decades of your youth are all that matter in the world of music. we get it. thank you. | |
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you know what they say,
"spoiled, whiny kids make the worst parents." how i feel for the scorn you give to your current sons and daughters. you must consider your own children to be vile heathens with the music and culture they have today. 
it was nothing like the music of the era of miracles and masterpiece music like the 70s and 80s. you all are walking gods! | |
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AquafineDream said: If you're 30 and over, YOUR GENERATION -- THE MTV GENERATION -- is the direct result of the Britney Spears, Coldplays, Jessica Simpsons, ghetto rappers, 50 Cents, Eminems and suburban rock bands of today.
Face it. You came from the era of watching MTV day in and day out. Those were the bands you supported. Prince was one of them. Kids of today don't check for MTV to get their music like you now-thirtysomethings used to do when you guys were teens and young adults. The kids have moved on to myspace, p2p downloading, all that. They have much more music to listen to than ever before. Many of you are scared to embrace the iPod and mp3 players, not because they're killing the album or music or whatever, it's because you're GETTING OLD. You are (or have) turned into your parents. You're not hip with the kids of today. They have outpaced you. I see a lot of posts on this board blaming the kids for the state of today's music. Well shit, it had to start somewhere. THE MTV GENERATION (i.e. all you folks over 30) that generation is the reason why music is what it is today for better or for worse. And lets not act like the 1970s and 1980s were ALL GOOD MUSIC, ALL THE TIME because we know that's a fucking lie. There will always be good music around. Music didn't die when you grew up. Let's accept it and move forward. [Edited 8/15/06 11:49am] It did. Listen to clone radio, the songs that sound more like anyone else, than anyone else!!! The infinite saga!! | |
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AquafineDream said: OK 70's babies
We get it. Yes the DISCO SUCKS movement didnt exist. Everything in the 1970s was made of gold. All albums in the 1980s are masterpieces. Every single solitary thing to come out of the decades of your youth are all that matter in the world of music. we get it. thank you. 
Wow, you sure love to generalize everything and categorize people into their neat little boxes where they surely belong. 
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minneapolisgenius said: Wow, you sure love to generalize everything and categorize people into their neat little boxes where they surely belong.
tA  Tribal Disorder
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. BEST.POST.EVER I know many have replied to this but it deserves to be replied to a million more times! As 31 year old senior citizen...I could not agree more! peace Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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theAudience said: minneapolisgenius said: Wow, you sure love to generalize everything and categorize people into their neat little boxes where they surely belong.
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bellanoche said: violator said: What difference does it make how old they are? Your statement spoke to the idea that there's no room for talent on the airwaves today. Whether the artist is 30 years old, 80 or 10 is irrelevant. All of the artists I named have been established in the last 10 years and are very much a product of the musical landscape you criticize. Age is at the center of this debate. At least that is what is implied by the "Orgers over 30..." title of this thread. violator said: That's a subjective statement and doesn't really apply here. The fact is, they're all critical darlings, they get airplay, their last releases all went Billboard Top 10 and they sell out everywhere they go. It would be the same as someone else saying that they're not impressed by Stevie Wonder, Prince or George Clinton.
Actually, someone has every right to say they are not impressed by Stevie, Prince or George. I have no problem with that. Just because I love them, doesn't mean that everyone else has to. I've never let the critics, Billboard chart status or ticket sales influence my opinion of an artist. I mean come on, isn't Fergie's London Bridge number one? Many critics panned LoveSexy, which is one of my favorite Prince albums. I've seen Meshell Ndegeocello in half-filled venues. So what. My love of music has never been a follow-the-leader deal. Finally, this entire Web site is based on subjectivity. These are all opinions. Are they not? Let's agree to disagree and move on. Fine. We can agree to disagree and move on. But let me clarify something for you. And maybe this will help you understand me better. The age 30, as it applies to this thread, has nothing to do with the artists. It's a reference to the listeners. As polarizing as his words were, the point of the thread was that we (30+) tend to over-glorify the music of our era and are less receptive to music from this current era. And if he'd stated it in less condescending language, I think he'd have found a more receptive audience. The age of the artist is irrelevant to that point. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. Amen brother. This thread should've ended right there. tA Tribal Disorder
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AquafineDream said: LuxuryBrown said: And the nominees for "Dumbest Thread Ever" are...
People can't handle truth when it stares them in the fucking face. It's human nature. Mock away, you're over 30 and you are not in step with the kids anymore. Deal with it and kill the excuses for why today's kids are "oh so lacking" -- I'm pretty sure your parents were saying the same things about your generation too. That's how it is. Own up to the fact that music has moved PAST you. Apparently YOUR generation didn't learn how to talk to their elders 
BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today.
2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. tell the truth to the youth, brotha! I knew you wouldn't take no shit like this from a wet-behind-the-ears so-and-so... | |
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Where the hell is the moderator! AquafineDream's Org privileges need to be revoked!!! He's trying to age discriminate just like Viacom, where you have to be 28 and younger to be a VJ.
AquafineDream, Prince is 48. Madonna just turned 48 today. Michael Jackson will be 48 on August 29. And the man that leads the greatest rock and roll band ever, Sir Michael (Mick) Jagger is 62. At The Stones concert last year in Chicago, the generation age was 8 years old to 70. The 8 year old kids were into the show and appreciating the living history lesson they were receiving as a gift from their parents and grandparents. It's the same history lesson kids get when their parents bring them to see Prince. "Real music by real musicians," is Prince's Musicology quote, which does not refer to age, it refers to people making music with instruments not technology. I can make a album use Garage software and make my voice sound like Mariah Carey, but I would be pulling a Milli Vanilli considering I stopped playing the piano 10 years ago and stopped singing six years ago. Music has never been about age. I go see Buddy Guy, a blues man who just turned 70. My parents introduced me to blues, jazz, and country music and I appreciated it as a child the same way I appreciate it today. By the way, my parents dig Prince. They also liked Tupac's "Mama" and they're both over 70. Music is the language of the Universe. It's not the language of a generation. I'm saying this nicely and not to get a negative response from you, study the genres of music and listen to records made in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. 90s, and 00s. You will hear instruments, but the style of singing changes over the decades. However, from the 70s to 80s you will hear how music changed because of this little thing called a synthesizer. And in the 90s and 00s, you will hear all the music from the past 80 years sampled under lyrics that don't tell a story. I have Justin Timberlake, Christine Aguilera, Kanye West, The Gorillas, and a slew of other under 30 artists in my collection. I appreciate lyrics that have something to say and great music (even if it's from a previous decade). And if you consider yourself a Prince supporter, you should as well. Leave age out of it. It's a number that means absolutely nothing when it comes to music. | |
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incognito said: Where the hell is the moderator! AquafineDream's Org privileges need to be revoked!!! He's trying to age discriminate just like Viacom, where you have to be 28 and younger to be a VJ.
AquafineDream, Prince is 48. Madonna just turned 48 today. Michael Jackson will be 48 on August 29. And the man that leads the greatest rock and roll band ever, Sir Michael (Mick) Jagger is 62. At The Stones concert last year in Chicago, the generation age was 8 years old to 70. The 8 year old kids were into the show and appreciating the living history lesson they were receiving as a gift from their parents and grandparents. It's the same history lesson kids get when their parents bring them to see Prince. "Real music by real musicians," is Prince's Musicology quote, which does not refer to age, it refers to people making music with instruments not technology. I can make a album use Garage software and make my voice sound like Mariah Carey, but I would be pulling a Milli Vanilli considering I stopped playing the piano 10 years ago and stopped singing six years ago. Music has never been about age. I go see Buddy Guy, a blues man who just turned 70. My parents introduced me to blues, jazz, and country music and I appreciated it as a child the same way I appreciate it today. By the way, my parents dig Prince. They also liked Tupac's "Mama" and they're both over 70. Music is the language of the Universe. It's not the language of a generation. I'm saying this nicely and not to get a negative response from you, study the genres of music and listen to records made in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. 90s, and 00s. You will hear instruments, but the style of singing changes over the decades. However, from the 70s to 80s you will hear how music changed because of this little thing called a synthesizer. And in the 90s and 00s, you will hear all the music from the past 80 years sampled under lyrics that don't tell a story. I have Justin Timberlake, Christine Aguilera, Kanye West, The Gorillas, and a slew of other under 30 artists in my collection. I appreciate lyrics that have something to say and great music (even if it's from a previous decade). And if you consider yourself a Prince supporter, you should as well. Leave age out of it. It's a number that means absolutely nothing when it comes to music.  | |
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Well I'm over 30 and I like myspace, and I have iTunes/ipod. What the technology is supposed to be so far over my head that I shouldn't know how to check messages or reject friend request from crap ass bands or something? I think my generation was more about the music itself. I also find it interesting that a lot of the music that these kids listen to are made by folks born in the mid to late 70's or, is at least based on musical movements that were created in the 80's and 90's
Aqufines generation is the only one that didn't usher in it's own sound in my opinion. For example lets take Emo. That started out as a sub genre of punk and it dates back all the way to the early 80's Don’t believe me, just do your homework and you will see. What else do kids listen to these days?. Different variations of Techno and New Wave, like the band Postal Service who markets themselves as "indie". These days indie has become a lifestyle statement. The way you like to sport your hair etc. Indie started out as a way to describe the lo fi production of the bands that were coming out of the college scene in the early 90'swhich in turn gave birth to the grundge scene. It simply meant the band was independent. Once again it was music based not a lifestyle choice. But never the less that same genre "indie" has its roots in the late 80's and early 90's. You also hear kids talk about a lot of underground hip-hop. Rappers like MF DOOM/ Danger Doom/ Madvillian whatever.. a rapper that has roots all the way back to the early 90's ( remember KMD and DJ Sub Rock? ) And of course like it or not techno has its roots in house, disco, and even world music. go ahead name something new. I'm sure it’s all a sub genre of something that "our" generation started. The bands that you listen to today, are always influenced by bands from the past. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: AquafineDream said: face the fact that you're over 30, embrace it, and age gracefully. bottomline. I think I'll face the fact that not only are you an ageist but an idiot. Being over 30 (which I'm not that far over anyway) is something inevitable unless you die so its idiotic to think that life ends at 29 and all of a sudden you're "old". Not only is that childish but unrealistic and this isn't "Logan's Run" - oh, wait...you're too young to catch that reference. Google it. Just like I said, tell these brats they're not great and there's a two-hour debate. Thank you for proving my point.
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AquafineDream said: OK 70's babies
We get it.Yes the DISCO SUCKS movement didnt exist.Everything in the 1970s was made of gold.All albums in the 1980s are masterpieces.Every single solitary thing to come out of the decades of your youth are all that matter in the world of music.we get it. thank you.No,not everything in the 70s was great,but compare a Top 40 chart from anytime in the 70s to a Top 40 chart from today.Go ahead,do the comparison.Hell,even the crappy songs from the 70s sound good compared to today's uninspired crap.But if you like today's music,more power to you.I betcha can't wait for the next R.Kelly CD,right? Or how about that upcoming Justin Timberlake CD? Enjoy that garbage,the rest of us will continue listening to REAL MUSIC. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. still waiting for Aquafinedream to come here and dispute the points you made  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. WOOOOORD!!!   [Edited 8/17/06 3:54am] ..."think from a positive place, and eliminate the negative fate"... | |
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AquafineDream said: If you're 30 and over, YOUR GENERATION -- THE MTV GENERATION -- is the direct result of the Britney Spears, Coldplays, Jessica Simpsons, ghetto rappers, 50 Cents, Eminems and suburban rock bands of today.
Face it. You came from the era of watching MTV day in and day out. Those were the bands you supported. Prince was one of them. Kids of today don't check for MTV to get their music like you now-thirtysomethings used to do when you guys were teens and young adults. The kids have moved on to myspace, p2p downloading, all that. They have much more music to listen to than ever before. Many of you are scared to embrace the iPod and mp3 players, not because they're killing the album or music or whatever, it's because you're GETTING OLD. You are (or have) turned into your parents. You're not hip with the kids of today. They have outpaced you. I see a lot of posts on this board blaming the kids for the state of today's music. Well shit, it had to start somewhere. THE MTV GENERATION (i.e. all you folks over 30) that generation is the reason why music is what it is today for better or for worse. And lets not act like the 1970s and 1980s were ALL GOOD MUSIC, ALL THE TIME because we know that's a fucking lie. There will always be good music around. Music didn't die when you grew up. Let's accept it and move forward. If being "hip" means I'm supposed to embrace bullshit like "My Humps" and "In Da Club",then no thanks.I'd rather be considered "old" and out of touch,lol.Defend today's music all you like,but keep in mind that many of us grew up in an era where we actually had REAL MUSIC.I'm talking about melodies,real basslines,distinct chord changes,real drummers playing real drums,horns,etc (hey,what a concept,huh?).Many of us come from an era where people didn't sample.In fact,sampling was unheard of in the 50s,60s and 70s.Many of us come from an era where we had REAL PRODUCERS who knew how to make music (check out my Gamble and Huff thread).I'm sorry,but folks like Jermaine Dupri and P.Diddy are not "producers" by any stretch of the imagination.In fact,they should be called "programmers" because all they really do is program beats,cheap Casio synth lines and samples.And don't give me that bulshit about us being to old to embrace iPods and mp3s.We have that stuff.The only difference is,we're listening to REAL MUSIC instead of today's processed,programmed,disposable,sampled bullshit that you seem to be so fond of. | |
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AquafineDream said: If you're 30 and over, YOUR GENERATION -- THE MTV GENERATION -- is the direct result of the Britney Spears, Coldplays, Jessica Simpsons, ghetto rappers, 50 Cents, Eminems and suburban rock bands of today.
Face it. You came from the era of watching MTV day in and day out. Those were the bands you supported. Prince was one of them. Kids of today don't check for MTV to get their music like you now-thirtysomethings used to do when you guys were teens and young adults. The kids have moved on to myspace, p2p downloading, all that. They have much more music to listen to than ever before. Many of you are scared to embrace the iPod and mp3 players, not because they're killing the album or music or whatever, it's because you're GETTING OLD. You are (or have) turned into your parents. You're not hip with the kids of today. They have outpaced you. I see a lot of posts on this board blaming the kids for the state of today's music. Well shit, it had to start somewhere. THE MTV GENERATION (i.e. all you folks over 30) that generation is the reason why music is what it is today for better or for worse. And lets not act like the 1970s and 1980s were ALL GOOD MUSIC, ALL THE TIME because we know that's a fucking lie. There will always be good music around. Music didn't die when you grew up. Let's accept it and move forward. [Edited 8/15/06 11:49am] I won't comment on most of what you've written because, quite frankly, I find it too presumptious and closed-minded to bother responding to, but I do agree with these two statements : There will always be good music around. and Music didn't die when you grew up I am beggining to wonder if you created your account for the sole purpose of rubbishing the 70's / 80's and those who believe the music of those decades is generally superior to the music of today. It does seem like it. If you've read the comments on this thread then you'll have realised that not everybody agrees with your opinion, and those who don't are as entitled to their opinions as you are to yours. So why don't you accept that and move forward, and maybe, for a change, create a thread about music (or anything) you actually do like. Lemmy, Bowie, Prince, Leonard. RIP. |
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Meloh9 said: Well I'm over 30 and I like myspace, and I have iTunes/ipod. What the technology is supposed to be so far over my head that I shouldn't know how to check messages or reject friend request from crap ass bands or something?
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SoulAlive said: BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. still waiting for Aquafinedream to come here and dispute the points you made Aqua's done. Trust me. He's moved on to some other thread where BK and VA aren't ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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