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AquafineDream said:
If you're 30 and over, YOUR GENERATION -- THE MTV GENERATION -- is the direct result of the Britney Spears, Coldplays, Jessica Simpsons, ghetto rappers, 50 Cents, Eminems and suburban rock bands of today. Face it. You came from the era of watching MTV day in and day out. Those were the bands you supported. Prince was one of them. Kids of today don't check for MTV to get their music like you now-thirtysomethings used to do when you guys were teens and young adults. The kids have moved on to myspace, p2p downloading, all that. They have much more music to listen to than ever before. Wrong! I grew up on funk and MTV did not play funk. I didn't have MTV but I did watch "Night Tracks" and "Friday Night Videos". However, my main concern was funk and the only place you got funk was on the radio and "Soul Train" (both of which are a damn disgrace today). Many of you are scared to embrace the iPod and mp3 players, not because they're killing the album or music or whatever, it's because you're GETTING OLD. You are (or have) turned into your parents. You're not hip with the kids of today. They have outpaced you.
Wrong again. I can't afford bullshit like that. I don't even have my own computer. I only have a computer a work. I'm not like little Biff of Buffy who has a mommy and daddy to buy these things for them. Also, I like a stereo that thumps. If the stereo doesn't disturb the neighbors then it ain't shit. I never listened to walkmans back in the day so I ain't got time for no little ass ipod or whatever the hell they are called. The only time I use headphones is to cue a song before I play it and blow the roof off the sucker. I see a lot of posts on this board blaming the kids for the state of today's music. Well shit, it had to start somewhere.
I don't blame kids for it. Hell, they were born into it and it's all they know. I blame these damn corporations that manipulate what is played and keep other music out so they can keep cheap ass shit hop in style forever. Before that, I blame Shitney Ass Houston for being such a success making dead ass music and influencing others to do the same. And lets not act like the 1970s and 1980s were ALL GOOD MUSIC, ALL THE TIME because we know that's a fucking lie.
You're right. Not all of it was good. However, today NONE of it is good. Music didn't die when you grew up.
No it didn't. It first started dying before I grew up. I first started bitching about music when Shitney Houston came on the scene in 1985. I had just graduated high school and was only 17. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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BlaqueKnight said:
The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. Not only that, but the real reason they are fat is because their music is too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: AquafineDream said:
If you're 30 and over, YOUR GENERATION -- THE MTV GENERATION -- is the direct result of the Britney Spears, Coldplays, Jessica Simpsons, ghetto rappers, 50 Cents, Eminems and suburban rock bands of today. Face it. You came from the era of watching MTV day in and day out. Those were the bands you supported. Prince was one of them. Kids of today don't check for MTV to get their music like you now-thirtysomethings used to do when you guys were teens and young adults. The kids have moved on to myspace, p2p downloading, all that. They have much more music to listen to than ever before. Wrong! I grew up on funk and MTV did not play funk. I didn't have MTV but I did watch "Night Tracks" and "Friday Night Videos". However, my main concern was funk and the only place you got funk was on the radio and "Soul Train" (both of which are a damn disgrace today). You're right. Not all of it was good. However, today NONE of it is good. Music didn't die when you grew up.
No it didn't. It first started dying before I grew up. I first started bitching about music when Shitney Houston came on the scene in 1985. I had just graduated high school and was only 17. "Night Tracks"...."Friday Night Videos"...THAT'S CLASSIC! "I ain't got time for no little ass ipod or whatever the hell they are called. The only time I use headphones is to cue a song before I play it and blow the roof off the sucker."....Damn right! "I grew up on funk and MTV did not play funk.".....SAY THAT SHIT, MAN!  VainAndy | |
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AquafineDream said:
This is a new era. And then you say the lack of disclipine of this generation. hell, the rappers of the 80s didn't even pick up fucking instruments. Once again....WRONG! Tell that to folks like The Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Twilight 22, Divine Sounds....hell even Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks" had original music behind it. There were rappers back then that made original music from scratch from the ground up without relying on someone else's old hit to make them a hit. Now, if you are going to say, "A lot of those groups you named ain't rap, they are electro or bass", hell, in the beginning it was called rap. Modern day rappers had to come up with calling it a whole other genre because they didn't have the talent to make something original themselves. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: AquafineDream said:
This is a new era. And then you say the lack of disclipine of this generation. hell, the rappers of the 80s didn't even pick up fucking instruments. Once again....WRONG! Tell that to folks like The Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Twilight 22, Divine Sounds....hell even Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks" had original music behind it. There were rappers back then that made original music from scratch from the ground up without relying on someone else's old hit to make them a hit. Now, if you are going to say, "A lot of those groups you named ain't rap, they are electro or bass", hell, in the beginning it was called rap. Modern day rappers had to come up with calling it a whole other genre because they didn't have the talent to make something original themselves. After the VA and BK beatdown, I think Aqua drowned.  ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: vainandy said: Once again....WRONG! Tell that to folks like The Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Twilight 22, Divine Sounds....hell even Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks" had original music behind it. There were rappers back then that made original music from scratch from the ground up without relying on someone else's old hit to make them a hit. Now, if you are going to say, "A lot of those groups you named ain't rap, they are electro or bass", hell, in the beginning it was called rap. Modern day rappers had to come up with calling it a whole other genre because they didn't have the talent to make something original themselves. After the VA and BK beatdown, I think Aqua drowned.   | |
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BlaqueKnight said: vainandy said: No it didn't. It first started dying before I grew up. I first started bitching about music when Shitney Houston came on the scene in 1985. I had just graduated high school and was only 17. "Night Tracks"...."Friday Night Videos"...THAT'S CLASSIC! "I ain't got time for no little ass ipod or whatever the hell they are called. The only time I use headphones is to cue a song before I play it and blow the roof off the sucker."....Damn right! "I grew up on funk and MTV did not play funk.".....SAY THAT SHIT, MAN! VainAndy Am I an old fart if I remember "The Midnight Special" or "Don Kirschner's Rock Concert", not exclusivly funk but they did have a some good guests.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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WAIT A SECOND:
I remember Kool & The Gang and Cameo having (mainstream) videos on MTV. But they were the only 2 funk bands on that network altogether. | |
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But the guy above made good point when you said "there's good stuff out there" but the common argument i'm hearing is that "you have to DIG for it." well, you've ALWAYS have to dig for good music. Anyone who REALLy is into music knows that. when i was coming up, the DJ yes he played the lastest, hottest cuts, but if you wanted that album gem a lot of times you had to buy the record, or word of mouth or dig in the crates at the record shop. television isn't going to tell you what's hot. You are batting a thousand today in being, once again.....WRONG! Music came to me on the radio, I didn't go to it. Radio back then played much more than the latest hot song and single. They played LOTS of songs that were never released as singles. It was the radio where I first heard "Head" by Prince and since it wasn't available on 45, I bought my first Prince album. Lots of album tracks (non-singles) were played in regular rotation and a lot of the time, the second single from the album came from the track that was doing the best on the radio. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Ladies & Gentlemen, It's my duty to inform you that the quotes of BlaqueKnight & Vainandy are steading the show in THIS thread!!!! Get me to talking about the sorry state of today's music and I become a bigger bitch than Joan Collins. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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LuxuryBrown said: vainandy said: Once again....WRONG! Tell that to folks like The Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Twilight 22, Divine Sounds....hell even Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks" had original music behind it. There were rappers back then that made original music from scratch from the ground up without relying on someone else's old hit to make them a hit. Now, if you are going to say, "A lot of those groups you named ain't rap, they are electro or bass", hell, in the beginning it was called rap. Modern day rappers had to come up with calling it a whole other genre because they didn't have the talent to make something original themselves. After the VA and BK beatdown, I think Aqua drowned. As ECW fans would say: HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: vainandy said: No it didn't. It first started dying before I grew up. I first started bitching about music when Shitney Houston came on the scene in 1985. I had just graduated high school and was only 17. "Night Tracks"...."Friday Night Videos"...THAT'S CLASSIC! "I ain't got time for no little ass ipod or whatever the hell they are called. The only time I use headphones is to cue a song before I play it and blow the roof off the sucker."....Damn right! "I grew up on funk and MTV did not play funk.".....SAY THAT SHIT, MAN! VainAndy Hell yeah. And my ex-neighbors can vouch for me. I've run so many neighbors off with my music. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Get me to talking about the sorry state of today's music and I become a bigger bitch than Joan Collins. ...and clean house like Linda Evans: http://www.youtube.com/wa...ToJ9dz7lx0 | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much.  RIGHT ON B.K THANK YOU !!!!! | |
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AquafineDream said: You all are full of so much shit.why am i suddenly envisioning that one part in friday after deebo gets his ass whooped and folks are taking back what's theirs from 'im? | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: Get me to talking about the sorry state of today's music and I become a bigger bitch than Joan Collins. ...and clean house like Linda Evans: http://www.youtube.com/wa...ToJ9dz7lx0 I can't see the clip but I can just imagine. Those bitches were nothing nice. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: AquafineDream said: You all are full of so much shit.why am i suddenly envisioning that one part in friday after deebo gets his ass whooped and folks are taking back what's theirs from 'im? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: LuxuryBrown said: After the VA and BK beatdown, I think Aqua drowned.  ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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TonyVanDam said: LuxuryBrown said: After the VA and BK beatdown, I think Aqua drowned. As ECW fans would say: HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! HE TAP OUT! ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
~So what you see is what you see, can't be nobody else but me~ -Luxury Brown | |
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AquafineDream said: You all are full of so much shit.TRANSLATION: Uh, I.. Uh, um. Well, YOUR MAMA! ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: AquafineDream said: You all are full of so much shit.why am i suddenly envisioning that one part in friday after deebo gets his ass whooped and folks are taking back what's theirs from 'im? - (As DJ Pooh snatches his gold chain from Debo's neck) My grandmama gave me that chain!~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: why am i suddenly envisioning that one part in friday after deebo gets his ass whooped and folks are taking back what's theirs from 'im? - (As DJ Pooh snatches his gold chain from Debo's neck) My grandmama gave me that chain! | |
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The MTV Generation, and Generation X are not the same thing. Gen X ends and Gen Y starts, and the MTV Gen are the crossover period. If you are 25-32 you are MTV gen. If you are 32+ you are Gen X. Under 25? gen y. The current generation is Gen y. Anyone under 8? iGeneration. (They have a stable internet while developing.)
MTV was invented by the baby Boomer generation (before gen x). MySpace was invented by Gen X. Gen X (people over 32) are picking the current Top 40 shit. They are to blame, for everything you are whining about. If anything, the MTV/Gen Y Generation can whine about their biggest talents being ignored by Gen X, who invented the technology that MTV and Y are growing up on. Now go get a life and stop worrying about this shit. [Edited 8/15/06 17:02pm] [Edited 8/15/06 17:05pm] | |
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AquafineDream said: You all are full of so much shit.yeah? huh. thanks for breaking it down.  | |
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I was going to take the time to read this entire thread, but after reading the first couple of posts, I got to this one and stopped. I'm sure i'll get around to reading the rest of the comments, but for now, this accurately sums up my feelings to the OP. [With my favorite part in red ]
BlaqueKnight said: 1. Its your generation's laziness and lack of discipline when it comes to learning music and how to play instruments that's responsible for the shitty whine-rock and beat-in-a-box bullshit hype-hop that gets regurgitated every hour on the radio. That is why music sucks today. 2. Corporate greed is what made Mtv what it is today. In our day, Mtv actually played music videos 24/7 instead of reality show after reality show of ordinary attention whores who are on t.v. - why? Because they have talent and star potential? No. Because the internet has fooled everyone into believing that they should; no, they deserve to be a star and adored by the world just because they came out of their mother's coochie. God forbid somebody tell you brats that you're not special. There's a two-hour long debate right there. 3. The 70s & 80s had some shite music as well but the worst of the 80s seems to be miles above the best of the current generation's music. Let's be honest here. There's no Prince, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross, Sting, Patti LaBelle, Cameo, Gap Band, Funkadelic, Stevie Vai, David Lee Roth, Frankie Knuckles, Stanley Clarke, Isley Brothers, Def Leppard, Kate Bush, Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea and not even a Maddona coming out of today's music scene. There are some people with talent but the search for star quality has gone out the window with the onslaught of attention whores whose MySpace friends told them they should be the next big thing flooding the doorways of record labels. Technology is here but who cares? Why bother trying to be a REAL star when everybody is downloading your music for free and you can't perform without a damn track playing in the back and when you do you look like someone from a high school talent show? You can blame the generation before you for Mtv but in reality, the sorry-assed hype generation sucks because you sensitive little bitches can't take criticism. Everyone believes they are great these days. All they have to do is find enough opinions to support them. The truth is YOU SUCK and you're too lazy to get better, not interested enough to set goals, too cheap to go buy music, too self-centered to spend time on anything that doesn't involve you benefitting in some way and not honest enough with yourselves to realize that the world really doesn't give a damn about you. Yes, you're fat. No, you're not nearly as good as you think your are. No, you don't have "IT". Yes, you need to practice more. No, your opinion is NOT important to anyone else. No, you're not as pretty as "fill-in-the-celeb-name-blank" and even if you are it doesn't mean shit. You still can't sing. Yes, your guitar playing sucks and your songs are boring. No, rapping does not take as much talent as singing and your songs fade out because there's no melody to remember them by. Swallow on that reality, since you all like reality so much. • Did you first think Prince was gay? •
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Vainandy and BlaqueKnight are so on point in this thread. I said a hearty amen to your comments earlier BK. After reading more posts, I had to add this to the discussion.
You all are correct when you point out that RADIO was actually the place to hear new music back in the day. I am 31 and I remember when I could hear Bob Marley, The Police, Prince, Rick James, The Time, P-Funk and all its offshoots, plus so many diverse styles of music on the radio. And it wasn't all about the "single" that was being shoved down your throats being played 20 times a day either! I remember "the perfect album side" where the DJ would play the whole album at night. The first time I heard ATWIAD in its entirety was on the radio. The top acts were all unique. Now everyone is a carbon copy of whatever's selling. This is a generic generation plain and simple. It's a generation of remakes. Originality is scarce. The few artists who are actually talented reside on the fringes of the music industry, which is run by greedy bastards who could care less about a little thing called music. All they care about are profits. So why spend money on paying musicians to actually play and create music? Why spend money to pay for a live band to tour, when the audience is dumb enough to spend $75 to watch some minimally talented puppet change clothes, dance and lip sync to a track while showing off how much time he/she spends in the gym? Radio is a joke! MTV/BET/VH1 (which are all owned by Viacom) are a joke! There is no room for talent, originality or individuality today. Thus we are saddled with a forgettable crop of talentless wonders parading across the airwaves. The sad thing is that they are inspiring other talentless folks to follow in their footsteps. There was a time when we watched people like Prince, EWF, Led Zeppelin Rufus/Chaka Khan and the Isley Brothers and thought, "Man are they talented. Then we all signed up for music lessons. Now you see these clowns and think, "If they can get a record deal, anyone can." The pathetic reality is that now ANYONE can and does get a record deal/video. I refuse to set mediocrity as the standard of greatness, no matter what age I am. BTW I own an iPod and I have over 2,000 songs on it. My iPod is filled with actual musicians and singers. It is not the technology that I am resistant to, it's the overall lack of talent. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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This thread is great, I've never witnessed such a slap down on ignorance.
Generalizations are just so dumb, I mean, learning disability dumb. To think I'm not tech savy would be ignorant, to think I don't find the good music today, what the hell do ya think I'm doin here and finally when you think early MTV think about the fact that CABLE was new. MTV was one channel out of like 60 when all there was before was 6. Well, we did have ON TV but that was just a stripped down HBO,
That aside, if you want to start pointing fingers as far as the state of music today, look at the government's policies (obviously Reaganomics  ), look at corporate profits vs. social responsibility (the arts in general) and finally the rest of the realities of the way the world works by following the money. | |
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