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Reply #60 posted 07/14/06 1:24pm

goat2004

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

CalhounSq said:





I know damn well her socks got wet during this photo. There's nothing worse than wet socks disbelief


white tubes to boot! disbelief



I guess that was Christina's attempt @ hip-hop style. Looks like something Missy would wear, doesn't it?
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Reply #61 posted 07/14/06 1:56pm

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Guys, I know she's not caucasian - she's mixed, I know this, I was saying...I saw this on Behind The Music I think - rememebr b4 she said she was mixed - she was being promoted as a caucasian artist in the beginning and apparently her CD single, not album, did not have her picture on it. This was stated on television on some documentary about her - so, i didnt make this up.

I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian. Here is the cover of the "Vision of Love" single:



Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.
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Reply #62 posted 07/14/06 2:09pm

goat2004

AlexdeParis said:[quote]

goat2004 said:

Harlepolis said:


Guys, I know she's not caucasian - she's mixed, I know this, I was saying...I saw this on Behind The Music I think - rememebr b4 she said she was mixed - she was being promoted as a caucasian artist in the beginning and apparently her CD single, not album, did not have her picture on it. This was stated on television on some documentary about her - so, i didnt make this up.

I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian. Here is the cover of the "Vision of Love" single:




Wow, I'm so confused, ok, I stand corrected, U know what?..it's possibly that it may have been Teena Marie I was thinking about, LOL.
Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.
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Reply #63 posted 07/14/06 2:16pm

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Wow, I'm so confused, ok, I stand corrected, U know what?..it's possibly that it may have been Teena Marie I was thinking about, LOL.
Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.



Didn't Missy basically wear a trashbag in one of her videos? lol
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Reply #64 posted 07/14/06 2:26pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Wow, I'm so confused, ok, I stand corrected, U know what?..it's possibly that it may have been Teena Marie I was thinking about, LOL.
Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.



Didn't Missy basically wear a trashbag in one of her videos? lol

nod And it looked better than that crap Christina is wearing.

goat2004, Teena Marie does sound more likely. I'm not quite old enough to remember those days vividly. smile
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Reply #65 posted 07/14/06 4:12pm

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Dewrede said:

I think the whole concept of having white/black radiosttions is bullshit confused
We don't have that here



We don't either. We've got white radio stations, some disguised as black. You'd think it wouldn't matter but apparently it does. shrug My family pretty much goes along with the format without skipping a beat so I guess it works for some. I can't understand it myself. Besides, I know quite a few people who, like me, rarely listen to the radio and certainly not to one particular type of station when they do.
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Reply #66 posted 07/14/06 4:22pm

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She's on pop/top 40 radio stations because her label pays to have her there and its a much broader market than Urban radio.
Same old racist white dudes running sh*t. Its the simple mentality of why try to sell a white girl that sings like a black woman to a bunch black kids when you can sell her to a lot MORE white kids?
At first "Genie In A Bottle" was targeted at urban radio as a backup in case she was "too black" for the "mainstream" crowd. They did the same thing with Pink.
She can sing. If she had R&B producers she'd sell R&B records, provided she didn't go pop.
There is a general consensus in the black community. Black people (in general) tend not to support white people who appear to be imitating black culture to get famous. If a white chick sings like a church sista, black folks are far less fascinated than the mainstream simply because they have ALREADY HEARD IT BEFORE. Its not "special" just because its coming from a white girl. (Thus the lack of interest in Joss Stone in the black community) The only time the black community gets behind white artists is when they start out and STAY urban (Jon B, for example). I know a bunch of people are gonna disagree with me but I'm just telling the truth.
Her label markets her mainstream therefore black folks don't bother supporting her because its no secret that she'll get all the support she needs.


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Reply #67 posted 07/14/06 7:45pm

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I don't really like her beyond a few singles, but this tracks is the best thing she's done, im my little humble opinion. Her histronics don't overhwhelm the beat for once.
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Reply #68 posted 07/15/06 2:20am

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goat2004 said:

AlexdeParis said:


I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian. Here is the cover of the "Vision of Love" single:




Wow, I'm so confused, ok, I stand corrected, U know what?..it's possibly that it may have been Teena Marie I was thinking about, LOL.
Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.



it was teena
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Reply #69 posted 07/15/06 4:29am

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Same old racist white dudes running sh*t. Its the simple mentality of why try to sell a white girl that sings like a black woman to a bunch black kids when you can sell her to a lot MORE white kids?



That seems to me like the rational choice of someone running a business. Doesn't have to be racist neccessarily.
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Reply #70 posted 07/15/06 11:47am

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She's on pop/top 40 radio stations because her label pays to have her there and its a much broader market than Urban radio.
Same old racist white dudes running sh*t. Its the simple mentality of why try to sell a white girl that sings like a black woman to a bunch black kids when you can sell her to a lot MORE white kids?
At first "Genie In A Bottle" was targeted at urban radio as a backup in case she was "too black" for the "mainstream" crowd. They did the same thing with Pink.
She can sing. If she had R&B producers she'd sell R&B records, provided she didn't go pop.
There is a general consensus in the black community. Black people (in general) tend not to support white people who appear to be imitating black culture to get famous. If a white chick sings like a church sista, black folks are far less fascinated than the mainstream simply because they have ALREADY HEARD IT BEFORE. Its not "special" just because its coming from a white girl. (Thus the lack of interest in Joss Stone in the black community) The only time the black community gets behind white artists is when they start out and STAY urban (Jon B, for example). I know a bunch of people are gonna disagree with me but I'm just telling the truth.
Her label markets her mainstream therefore black folks don't bother supporting her because its no secret that she'll get all the support she needs.

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"The only time the black community gets behind white artists is when they start out and STAY urban "

True but Christina can really sign. RnB radio should be playing some of her stuff.
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Reply #71 posted 07/15/06 4:54pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

She's on pop/top 40 radio stations because her label pays to have her there and its a much broader market than Urban radio.
Same old racist white dudes running sh*t. Its the simple mentality of why try to sell a white girl that sings like a black woman to a bunch black kids when you can sell her to a lot MORE white kids?
At first "Genie In A Bottle" was targeted at urban radio as a backup in case she was "too black" for the "mainstream" crowd. They did the same thing with Pink.
She can sing. If she had R&B producers she'd sell R&B records, provided she didn't go pop.
There is a general consensus in the black community. Black people (in general) tend not to support white people who appear to be imitating black culture to get famous. If a white chick sings like a church sista, black folks are far less fascinated than the mainstream simply because they have ALREADY HEARD IT BEFORE. Its not "special" just because its coming from a white girl. (Thus the lack of interest in Joss Stone in the black community) The only time the black community gets behind white artists is when they start out and STAY urban (Jon B, for example). I know a bunch of people are gonna disagree with me but I'm just telling the truth.
Her label markets her mainstream therefore black folks don't bother supporting her because its no secret that she'll get all the support she needs.

Don't forget Teena Marie.... She ALWAYS stayed with us... When I've mentioned her to the average white person, they say, "Teena who??)
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Reply #72 posted 07/15/06 5:30pm

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Christina is very sexy and she can sing, but I think her music is complete utter shit. Too much non-melodic plastic crap with too much emphasis on her singing her ass off (a little bit like Mariah in some songs).

Give her some new writers and producers and then she can be on any kind of radio you want imo. Though I have to say that I strongly dislike the concept of black and white radio.
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Reply #73 posted 07/15/06 9:04pm

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CHIC0 said:

Dewrede said:

I think the whole concept of having white/black radiosttions is bullshit confused
We don't have that here



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We don't have that here in Oz alot either- atleast not on mainstream, but cultural distinguishment does exist in less commercialised radio- which is not racially built but more rather a sharing on different interpretationz on stylez of music which quite obviously don't soley derive from Australia lol

And as for Christina Aguilera- i can't alwayz gravitate to her- she is totally commercialised so my own personal fascination in her or her music is not really there- but and however- some occasional songz of herz to tweak at me- simply cause she can carry it off real well- and i do love a good soul voice- so long as it soundz natural. And i really do like 'Aint No Other Man'- as much as i would never openly admit it lol well now i have eek. Well you know, i like throw backz to old school, and when it's done well, then it makez me happy to hear. I wouldn't go out n buy her album, but i do like that particular song!
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Reply #74 posted 07/15/06 9:11pm

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Yeah , things are like that here too smile

Ditto on Ain't No Other Man cool
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Reply #75 posted 07/15/06 9:13pm

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Christina is very sexy and she can sing, but I think her music is complete utter shit. Too much non-melodic plastic crap with too much emphasis on her singing her ass off (a little bit like Mariah in some songs).

Give her some new writers and producers and then she can be on any kind of radio you want imo. Though I have to say that I strongly dislike the concept of black and white radio.


Different strokes, but I think the Stripped album had far more song structure, musicianship, and melody than what's expected for the average pop star today. Not even half of it was composed by machinery and there was no sampling.

Her teen-pop days are a different story, but still...
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Reply #76 posted 07/16/06 6:01am

goat2004

squiddyren said:

EmancipationLover said:

Christina is very sexy and she can sing, but I think her music is complete utter shit. Too much non-melodic plastic crap with too much emphasis on her singing her ass off (a little bit like Mariah in some songs).

Give her some new writers and producers and then she can be on any kind of radio you want imo. Though I have to say that I strongly dislike the concept of black and white radio.


Different strokes, but I think the Stripped album had far more song structure, musicianship, and melody than what's expected for the average pop star today. Not even half of it was composed by machinery and there was no sampling.

Her teen-pop days are a different story, but still...




Now, I will admit that the song, "Dirty," was a bit too commercial for me and a little over the top. While, the song, "Beautiful," was a lovely Pop ballad along the lines of Mariah's - "Hero" I think, Hero, however, was more soulful and is still Mariah's signature song till this date. I don't think Christina has given us her signature song just yet?...
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Reply #77 posted 07/16/06 6:27am

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goat2004 said:

squiddyren said:



Different strokes, but I think the Stripped album had far more song structure, musicianship, and melody than what's expected for the average pop star today. Not even half of it was composed by machinery and there was no sampling.

Her teen-pop days are a different story, but still...




Now, I will admit that the song, "Dirty," was a bit too commercial for me and a little over the top. While, the song, "Beautiful," was a lovely Pop ballad along the lines of Mariah's - "Hero" I think, Hero, however, was more soulful and is still Mariah's signature song till this date. I don't think Christina has given us her signature song just yet?...



Actually, The Voice Within mirrors Hero a bit more I think...
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Reply #78 posted 07/16/06 6:45am

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I really can't stand this new track. It's melody free, the hook is nonexistent, and she should have worked with a live band. She just screams and screams but there's nothing there.
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Reply #79 posted 07/16/06 11:10am

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AlexdeParis said:[quote]

goat2004 said:

Harlepolis said:


Guys, I know she's not caucasian - she's mixed, I know this, I was saying...I saw this on Behind The Music I think - rememebr b4 she said she was mixed - she was being promoted as a caucasian artist in the beginning and apparently her CD single, not album, did not have her picture on it. This was stated on television on some documentary about her - so, i didnt make this up.

I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian. Here is the cover of the "Vision of Love" single:



Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.


Everyone thought Mariah was white until she got on Oprah, sang Vision Of Love, and said what she was. The label never made a statement about her race. They let people assume whatever they wanted. Mariah even said they wanted her to look "less ethnic" and even covered her nose a bit on her album cover. They wanted people to think she was white
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Reply #80 posted 07/16/06 11:30am

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AlexdeParis said:


I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian. Here is the cover of the "Vision of Love" single:



Missy has worn some far out crap, but I doubt she'd be caught dead in that get up.


Everyone thought Mariah was white until she got on Oprah, sang Vision Of Love, and said what she was. The label never made a statement about her race. They let people assume whatever they wanted. Mariah even said they wanted her to look "less ethnic" and even covered her nose a bit on her album cover. They wanted people to think she was white


I remember that episode. As I recall, Oprah said something like, "I really don't care, but everyone else wants to know are you white or black?" Like Oprah didn't wanna know. lol
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Reply #81 posted 07/16/06 11:42am

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BlackBuddy said:



Everyone thought Mariah was white until she got on Oprah, sang Vision Of Love, and said what she was. The label never made a statement about her race. They let people assume whatever they wanted. Mariah even said they wanted her to look "less ethnic" and even covered her nose a bit on her album cover. They wanted people to think she was white


I remember that episode. As I recall, Oprah said something like, "I really don't care, but everyone else wants to know are you white or black?" Like Oprah didn't wanna know. lol


lol Okay. That was the first question out of Oprahs's mouth bitch, what are you? lol
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Reply #82 posted 07/16/06 11:59am

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BlackBuddy said:

RipHer2Shreds said:



I remember that episode. As I recall, Oprah said something like, "I really don't care, but everyone else wants to know are you white or black?" Like Oprah didn't wanna know. lol


lol Okay. That was the first question out of Oprahs's mouth bitch, what are you? lol

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Reply #83 posted 07/16/06 1:31pm

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BlaqueKnight, you made some interesting points. Yet I believe the black community very much supported Mariah when she came out. Of course it could be because she is partly black (her father). However I wouldn't have called her the first to mainstream into urban radio. What about Lisa Lisa, Brenda K. Starr, Taylor Dayne, and Lisa Stansfield? These women surely got airplay big time and some with great success.

But, yes, I always did wonder about why Joss Stone wasn't pushed on urban radio because the girl can surely sing. whistle



There's no doubt about it....Christina can saang...not just a little bit, I thought "Beautiful" should have gotten the Grammy for "song of the year".

I'm black, and I don't know why urban stations don't or won't play her tunes.

Lisa Lisa, was a Puerto Rican girl from Brooklyn, she get's urban props over all the others you listed above, she is from the hood. I have no idea who Brenda K. Starr is...don't care to know either.

Lisa Stansfield and Taylor Dayne have or had a style that transcended any ratial barrier because of the smooth blend of their unique voices and music.

But I do think that Christina should get more air-play on urban radio. I also hope Pink can get back in touch with her R&B roots, which put her on map. Her voice is so much better than this pop shit she is producing right now. I did love "Trouble Now" and "Making Me Ill"(I think that's the name of it) she performed it on the MTV awards a few years ago.(Killer voice)
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Reply #84 posted 07/16/06 5:29pm

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BlackBuddy said:

AlexdeParis said:


I'm not saying you're making things up, but, as someone who remembers 1990 very well, those things just aren't true. "Vision of Love" was on urban radio and BET from the beginning. A lot of people wondered exactly what race she was, but she certainly was not promoted as Caucasian.


Everyone thought Mariah was white until she got on Oprah, sang Vision Of Love, and said what she was. The label never made a statement about her race. They let people assume whatever they wanted. Mariah even said they wanted her to look "less ethnic" and even covered her nose a bit on her album cover. They wanted people to think she was white

You're basically saying what I said. She was on BET and urban radio from the beginning. They didn't say what race she was, so people wondered (which is why Oprah asked the question). Everyone didn't think she was white.
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