Ok first of all this is not a review of the song, i have heard many different views of the song so everyone will think different things. My main problem i have is the performance or lack off that is. Now the mtv awards dont air till tomorrow but i have seen a few clips and now i have seen pics of the performance, and even without hearing it, u can tell what its all about. Mainly its the same old thing "SHOCK" to get attention, why cant any performer "SHOCK" by performing well, or using their talents. Well christina resorts to pulling off the bottom of her dress to get peoples attention, u know the whole "IM BACK" and look at my body performance. The more troubling thing is the fact that christina actually has some talent , though she still doesnt know how "to sing" yet, much like her contemporaries like Beyonce and Jessica Simpson who all have great voices but dont know how to use them properly. It seems that these type of "shock" performances are all that are used today, I mean everyone from Madonna to Janet to Mariah to the younger ones like Christina and Britney uses this tactic and thats all it is. Now im not saying that Christina or any of these other women cant be Sexy, but i didnt need christina to rip off her dress and get on some guys lap for me to notice she has some sex appeal. I think its time for all these ladies to realize what "Sexy" is, and also take some singing lessons too.

Well, Christina has failed to ever shock me. Even with the Dirrty video. Did that really shock anyone? I seen it more as trying hard.

I think shock value has become a thing of the past, what buttons haven't we pressed yet?

Well i agree totally but thats probably not going to be the response of the viewers, record buyers and most importantly radio and video outlets which dictate what people see and like trained idiots 90% follow.

the most shocking thing she could ever do is appear elegant on one of those appearances, and to not oversing every note into the ground. and i know she's capable - she has beautiful features and a nice voice. she just has a need to be as garish as possible at all times, and not in a good way.

lastdecember said:

Absolutely right! The blame for this lies squarely at Madonna's door. She showed that cynically engineered controversy generates sales. For better or worse(I think for worse) she changed the way female artists played the game. The worst thing though is when they pretend this shallow attention seeking is some kind of political or artistic statement. Bollocks! Again, Madonna is the queen of this but Xtina obviously has her eye on the crown.

lastdecember said:

I couldn't agree more. In fact what everyone has said so far is true. That's part of why I shake my head at Xtina. Her shit seems so fake and she's trying too hard to be a slut. My thing is if you're a slut, you're a slut. Don't try and fake the funk for the sake of sales. Be who you are but I really don't think she know who she is yet. Wasting all that talent to sound like every other mediocre act out there just to make a profit when her voice alone is the star when she uses it the right way instead of yelling to high heaven. Damn pathetic.

we won't get that broadcast across the pond for a couple of days...I was interested to see this jazzy hybrid music she was talking about but.....

...it really is a shame when someone with that much vocal talent will not, or cannot be allowed to be bold or rebellious enough against the industry as we know it, and simply stand onstage and sing

..all those etta james tunes she loves so much and would probably do them justice in the booth AND onstage, and her label releases that crapfest of a song to the masses...

....shortsighted. shortsighted. shortsighted.

Her album will no be double cd. first disk produced by Dj Premier, which we already have a sample of (aint no other man) and second disk to be more staright forward 30, 40's jazz (aka the album she intended to make.

jayaredee said:[quote]Well, Christina has failed to ever shock me. Even with the Dirrty video. Did that really shock anyone? I seen it more as trying hard.

I think shock value has become a thing of the past, what buttons haven't we pressed yet?[/quote]
True.

I haven´t seen the performance nor heard the song yet, but I hope it´s not "Dirty" style! I loved everything on the abum Stripped except for Dirty. I hate it when she "screams" instead of singing. I do respect her as a singer though. She sings incredibly live.

so she's releasing two CDs simultaneously? i'm kinda curious about the disc of old tunes, as long as she's not melismatizing the music into the ground (which i know she will).

I just saw the performance and all I have to say is you people are crazy! Great performance. It's way better then the studio version. Maybe this was the idea she had in mind. Maybe they should've recorded the song with instruments instead of a sample. My sister thinks Prince had something to do with it. I told her I doubt it but Christina was at the Musicology opening date, so most likely she just took notes. I was pleased.

CynicKill said:

The same thing here. I definitely wasn't expecting to see such a huge back-up band performing with her, they sounded pretty good tonight.

Even though Christina needs to do something about all that hollering at times, all in all, I'd say she did better than I would have thought she would. Definitely sounded better live.

Actually i didnt say there was anything wrong with the song, i actually hadnt heard the song till the performance, i just said that the whole ripping her dress off was "useless" and did nothing to enhance the performance it seemed to just be for a shock value. Just the fact that there were instruments should have been "the shock" for the crowd. However, as a singer, Christina has to do some serious training, because she has a good voice but in a few years she is going to blow her vocals out, i can hear her having vocal problems already and what is she 23??
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CynicKill said:

i agree 4realz....this thread made it sound like she had on bra and panties and was on a stripper pole grinding.it was all very flashy vegas style performance.

good song...not great but it was alright.

purplecam said:

That's exactly why I like her. That and her voice.

They actually aired the Awards in Europe today and I have to say it wan't bad at all.

The song I still find absolutely atrocious, but thankfully it sounds better live. I still dread the day it makes radio playlists however.

And contrary to what I suspected would happen based on others' posts here, I didn't find the wardrobe issue offensive. The bandeau bikini hotpants look was in total keeping with the aesthetic theme of a project inspired from this music...she was giving us the vintage pin-up girl look from the jazz era...no harm no foul....and besides, we all know she has done waaaaay worse in the exposure department, with those horrendous chaps and whatnot.

Though she irritated me to no end by starting off with all those damn vocal runs and modulations, I did notice that her voice is in GREAT shape at the moment. That little skinny heffer can SANG. Make no mistake she is no joke. I just hope that the next single her label releases will be able to demonstrate that. But, being that labels are the way labels are... that probably won't happen

Is she rapping on one of her albums?

~~dj premier~~

CinisterCee said:

It can't be worse than Madonna.

Can it?

Anx said:

Ottensen said:

I haven't seen the performance but the above comments are disappointing.
Thought she might have learned something about restraint and subtlety hanging around Herbie Hancock for a minute.

Guess not.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

lastdecember said:

I disagree with respect to this particular performance. I just watched it on YouTube. The song is slightly different from what she normally performs. It's ok not outstanding. Kind of old school actually. Her voice sounds great. And she didn't take off the skirt to reveal the shorts immediately. She was well in into the middle of song before this happened. And well the out fit underneatch were like I mentioned, just shorts. Nothing raunchy. Her ass cheeks, at boobs weren't flying all over the place. Christina can be raunchy at times but this just wasn't one of those times.



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i hate to say it because she's really talented and her last album was great...but i think she's done. the media and the public seem not to give a fuck about the new single or her new album. i could be wrong but that's my hunch.

badujunkie said:

i think she'll still be in our faces once the record is out.

Just saw it

It's posted on Housequake

Not trashy or slutty at all but a very performance imo

just saw it.
the intro was off the hook!!!!!

When she started singing.....

what happed to mic only? Oversinging, over showy..... restraint, whered it all go?

missmad said:

It was funny, because the big band jazz intro from the band was tiiiiight!

Then she came out there....again, her voice is in GREAT form right now, but the first damn 8-16 bars she started modulating like she was singing a Turkish folk song

---but I chalked it up to her over compensating cause she hasn't been belting it out in public for a bit and needed to prove "DAMNIT I CAN STILL SING"...then it went pretty smoothly, too much inclination to tag here and there, but good LORD that child's diaphragm must be made of STEEL...she's really in good shape vocally right now. I just wish she could reign it in juuuuust a little bit with the runs....we all know she can do them effortlessly, but for whatever reason it seems to be hard for her to let them go . granted, she sounds fantastic right now, but if the rest of her cd will have some jazz influences, I really need her to tone it down just a little bit and let the songs breathe. The girl has a magnificent instrument and I want to get the full effect of what she can offer without being distracted by her skating all though the songs....(as I sit here listening to Gladys Knight cover "Since I Fell For You" )

badujunkie said:

You're very very wrong. Pop is all over this song. That's all she needs because she's never been a multi-format artist. They definitely want a superstar to bolster a more pop oriented song selection. They've played Kelly Clarkson out and never really wanted to play Mariah's faux R&B. Just to prove my point here's a line from idiot Chuck Taylor's review of Aint No Other Man-


and the fact that she's wise enough to know that white girl urban is passé is all the more awe-inspiring

I'm pretty sure that's a shot at Mariah after reading his review of Say Something.

Pop is ready for a superstar they played all they could out of Clarkson. However, she doesn't really scream superstar. I wouldn't ignore her fanbase either. They've been hungry for an album.

I'm not a fan of Miss Christina at all. I noticed the sound beds she had during her performance. Even her fans noticed that part where she mouthed OHH OHH was lipped, but they don't care since everything else seemed to be screamed on key. Christina is going to sell well. But, she's going to have to fight to keep attention on her. While Christina fans revel in her performance at the little watched MTV Movie awards they'll be mad soon. Beyonce will performing and debuting her new single at the BET awards. That's a pretty big deal considering that show has surpassed the VMAs as the show to be at. All attention will be back on Beyonce then.

I like the fact that C. Aguilera is trying to bring back the "old...old school" vibe but I dont think she will pull it off. People are like, OVER her and her media shenanigans are so obvious.