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Reply #30 posted 05/22/06 6:00am

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Musical Genius is not the same as musical innovator IMO.
Macca wrote melodies other musicians can only dream about.
Writing a great melody is also the work of a genius.

Prince for instance is a better musician, but not a better writer than Macca.
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Reply #31 posted 05/22/06 6:54am

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NDRU said:

Not to discount what he did, because he wrote some of the all time great pop songs, but I'd have to say no.

His style of innovation was more of a look backwards. Towards Beethoven, Tin Pan Alley, Little Richard, etc. He made rock music richer, but I don't think he moved it forward.

Lennon was a true innovator, if slightly less "musical." Walrus, Lucy, Revolution 9, Tomorrow Never Knows, Happiness is a Warm Gun don't really follow any blueprints.

Yesterday, Eleaor Rigby, For No One, When I'm Sixty Four are great songs, but they are following in a tradition set years before. I don't believe they create something truly new, except that they were sounds that hadn't been heard in rock music. In fact, they aren't really rock music, they're something that already happened.


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Reply #32 posted 05/22/06 6:58am

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i hate the word "genius", but i think mccartney is the rock era's answer to cole porter. from his writing with lennon in the beatles to his early solo stuff to his most recent album, i think he has a knack for writing catchy melodies and disarming lyrics. i also think he has a very playful, almost deceptive, ability to create songs in diverse styles.

i don't like the word "genius", but he's no schlub.
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Reply #33 posted 05/22/06 10:20am

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Sdldawn said:

jacktheimprovident said:



Actually Tomorrow never Knows, probably the most innovative recording the Beatles ever made was actually mostly the work of Paul. The actual melody and lyrics are John's, but the whole soundscape/collage was mostly Paul's work, he recorded and mixed the tape loops and that horrifying bird caw sound is actually Paul's laughing sped up and backwards


Correct.. I was thinking about this last night and was gonna post something about it. but yes, Paul was the workb ehind Tomorrow Never Knows, and that was the light that sparked the rest of the records with experimental ideas.


Bottom line is that Paul & John inspired each other to be their best, and the arguments "Paul's the genius" and "John's the genius" aren't all black & white.

But Tomorrow Never Knows started as an amazing song. Even without the tape loops it would have been highly original.
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Reply #34 posted 05/22/06 10:21am

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royfolker said:

Ok...

couldn't you say that STG Peppers LHCB... is a "RAP" song???

So Paul is the first vanilla rapper... Right???

This sound like innovation/innovator to me...

r/f


I'd say Subterranean Homesick Blues qualifies.
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Reply #35 posted 05/22/06 8:53pm

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Revolver was a start of something new and innovating.. and each played a major role.,. I just notice that paul had an important role in the making of that record. For instance, I recently read that paul actually played lead guitar on "Taxman", a george harrison track.. the first track on Revolver, That, was some fucking amazing guitar playing.

Eleanor Rigby - impressive song.. I think John actually wrote "I look at all the lonely people" and paul wrote the rest of the lyrics, and the string arrangment was (you guessed it) pauls idea.
There has been massive controversy about who's song it was.. and its pretty clear that it was pauls, with the help of a few lyrics. It wasn't a full collaborative effort, just moments in the song.

And yes, as it was said in an earlier post.. the Lennon and Pauls combined effort in Tomorrow Never Knows is what made it so amazing.. whenever they wrote together, they came out to be some of the best material of that era. A Day In The Life is a good example.. such creative output from both.
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Reply #36 posted 05/22/06 9:27pm

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of course he's a genius, musically, but not with the movies... razz
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Reply #37 posted 05/22/06 10:05pm

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Sdldawn said:

Revolver was a start of something new and innovating.. and each played a major role.,. I just notice that paul had an important role in the making of that record. For instance, I recently read that paul actually played lead guitar on "Taxman", a george harrison track.. the first track on Revolver, That, was some fucking amazing guitar playing.

Eleanor Rigby - impressive song.. I think John actually wrote "I look at all the lonely people" and paul wrote the rest of the lyrics, and the string arrangment was (you guessed it) pauls idea.
There has been massive controversy about who's song it was.. and its pretty clear that it was pauls, with the help of a few lyrics. It wasn't a full collaborative effort, just moments in the song.

And yes, as it was said in an earlier post.. the Lennon and Pauls combined effort in Tomorrow Never Knows is what made it so amazing.. whenever they wrote together, they came out to be some of the best material of that era. A Day In The Life is a good example.. such creative output from both.


that is indeed Paul on lead guitar on Taxman (he plays a similar lead part on Good Morning Good Morning off Sgt. Pepper), and yes Elenor Rigby was his. As john said about elenor rigby "paul's baby, and I helped with the education of the child"
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Reply #38 posted 05/23/06 4:14am

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as paul said himself...if he had a song he was struggling with..he always knew that with john, he would always finish it and it was almost always good material and vice versa with john...they needed each other and they were brilliant together...the best songwriting partnership the world will ever know.
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Reply #39 posted 05/23/06 2:06pm

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blackbob said:

as paul said himself...if he had a song he was struggling with..he always knew that with john, he would always finish it and it was almost always good material and vice versa with john...they needed each other and they were brilliant together...the best songwriting partnership the world will ever know.


Yep, thats exactly right.. and it was a natural songwriting partnership.. they both were always doing it their style.. there was no strict education in their songwriting.. it was coming from their own unique style. Yes, what they admired came through in some of their work, but for the most part..the mold was entirely fresh.
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