jasco82 said:

Frankie Baby will never be overrated in my book, for the simple fact that he stood up for his buddy Sammy in Vegas when they wouldn't allow him to come in through the front door and room with the rest of the people just because he was Black. Frank said that "If Sammy doesn't get to come through the front and stay with the regular paying patrons then I ain't NEVER do Vegas again"...and they gave in and after that Vegas was pretty much desegragated. So, kudos to you, Blue Eyes.

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weepingwall said:

Shure , you both should attend one of his shows or you never did .
always puts a new flava when he jams live which hardly can be boring , let alone overrated .
Stating this an average fan from because i have my particular fave tracks , but when it comes to his live work ... hands down & hats off .

panther514 said:

Well , you must have caught Maxwell on a very bad day i guess .
I've seen a show of his Urban Hangsuite Tour .
To begin with the sound onstage .
It was hit off with he same intro as on the album which sounded cryspal , i repeat CRYSPAL clear .
As if the cd was playing but with an extra little depth .
The spotlights were blue during this , and Maxwell hadn't even entered the stage yet , when suddenly , some lights on the stage-floor turned orange like a sunset .
The guitar-intro from Welcome started and the dark recognisable fro-silhouette of Max appeared behind the band ... talking about an entrance !!!
The audience already went wild .
What followed was an un4gettable evening with 3 expanded encores !!!
After the last encore , an emotioned Maxwell held a speech of gratitude to the crowd and just didn't want to leave .
Luckily a radiostation here , captured this concert on tape and broadcasted it .
When i talk to people who went to see his performances here they are still in awe and respect about it .
ALL the opposite than stated by Panther514 was proved that night .


It's all just a very personal opinion which one can experience from an artist ( like how i told here above )
It's regrettable that after someone has spoken a verdict about an artist , it is permanent and it seems harder to view other qualities about that particular artist .

For example , when i heard one of the first singles ( Stay ) from ( formally known as ) Terrance Trent D'Arby , i was really enthousiastic .
Great voice was my first thought . And i still dig his voice .
But ( imo ) the media hyped it up too much , which i think is one of the main problems why people tend to place an artists at an overrated position .
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Agree with Panther514's list. Listen 2 Urban Hangsuite after poppin' Viagra & down goes woody . Both Maxwell & D'Angelo have yet 2 release 2 decent album (not sayin' they'r not able!). Rite now they just bore the shit outta me. & Yes I own their music! Y? Cuz back in the day I usta buy cd's without listenin' 1st....stupid, huh?

BTW: I'd like 2 add UB40 & U2!

The term "overrated" is overrated. It's such a damn hoity toity elitist word. The basic thrust of it is: People are too enthusiastic about something. Be more cynical! Rein it in!

People who throw this word around are implicitly claiming to have the proper, balanced appreciation for artists, while others are losing their damn minds overpraising them. It's a backhanded insult at people who love what they love and unabashedly express it.

Live and let live, ya know? Let the Britney Spears enthusiast gush at their Britney. Let the classical music nuts preen on. Let polka diehards love their accordian.


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padawan said:

And because the term "overrated" is so elitist and arrogant, we all should continue to use it, I think!

padawan said:

That's funny. It actually bothers people that others love Cold Play, Elvis, etc.

I guess my first question would be, 'overrated by whom?'

It's sort of hard to differentiate between who is overrated and who's popularity is completely lost on me. That being said:

Wilco.

Try as I might, I am neither emotionally moved nor do I feel this band deserves any accolades surpassing what you might give to a no-name band you catch at your local tavern.

As for Nirvana - I'm lukewarm. I don't associate Cobain with genius or god...and I can see how people might see them as overrated. But I do forever thank Nirvana and the ensuing grunge movement for sounding the death knell on pop-hair-metal rock bands and bringing a sense of sincerity (albeit with a deconstructive approach) back to rock music.

HrdwcH said:

Thanks for the co-sign...U2 is a very good choice! WAY overrated!I have a few more:

Usher
Kelly Clarkson
TI
NXS..the band on the show was WAY better than the actual band.
Stones ( post 80's)
Jarule
Nelly
Destiny's child
Beyonce
LL (post 90's)
Tommy Lee (was never good enough to be considered washed up)
John Legend
Lenny Kravitz (he COULD'T actually LIKE the garbage he's put out lately)
Andre 3000 ( was gonna say outcast but Big boi has got skills)
Pharrell (which ONE of you told him that he can sing?)

StoneCrib said:

Copy dat Crib , Frank got MAJOR props given for his vocal-timing , by Miles Davis in his autobiography .
And Miles SHURELY knows what he is musically talking about .

panther514 said:

Important notice about Destiny and Beyonce that they were spotted by for a record-deal , DC & Beyonce formed this group with Tamar , so yeah ... i guess the hoity toity overrating gets a personal again over here .

Man , you shurely haven't checked Dre 3000 his previous rhymes from his early days ... ever heard "Rosa Parks" ? ..... nuff said

Okay , Pharrell might not win a contest in singing .... BUT he and Chad created their own muic-style ... i remember seeing " Lapdance " for the first time and thought " this sounds really new " ... with those typical synth-loops which you could hear in "Lap Dance" they've set a new sound in music-history .
If you listen to some vocal-parts in "Frontin" , you'll hear his use of mutiple harmony-layers in some parts of that song .

I can only conclude that the personal elitish overrating is totally & absurdly overrated .
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100MPH said:

Rolling Stones, they always have been!

this thread is making me angry. too many awesome people/bands who YOU say are over-rated are my favorites.

...whoever said Wilco , the Beach Boys, The Beatles, & Frank Sinatra needs a lobotomy. talk about injustice. Just because YOU don't like them doesn't make them over-rated. The very fact these acts have lasted as long as they have proves they are doin something that appeals to many, MANY people. Is that over-rated?

Jackeblu said:

When artists are universally acclaimed and the mere mention that someone doesn't like them is met with utter revulsion and judgment, they are overrated. The Beatles fall in that category. Not matter how great you may think they are, the fact that people aren't "allowed" to dislike them means that they are overrated.

Moonbeam said:

NONONONONONO!!!!!They aren't overrated. Their farts were symphonies! Their lyrics cured cancer!!!!!

oh aren't they all? that's the nature of the beast isn't it?

Jackeblu said:

I wouldn't want to make any Wilco fans angry! I have to agree with you, there's no surfeit of easy targets when it comes to calling an artist or band overrated, and as already stated, 'overrated' is pretty subjective. I probably wouldn't even mention them except I'm often surrounded by gushing fans, and I'm really at a loss to see what merits the love. So Wilco's just a word association to me.

If I'm not getting it, it's on me, right??

Peace.