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PrintableAnotherLover said Of course the half-naked women in videos (or the all naked women in Playboy, etc., for that matter) didn't have a gun held to their heads. But it obviously goes deeper than that. Why do they do it? Because some women have always used sex to get power, and power usually lies with men. They are usually either not intelligent or talented enough or just too plain lazy to get it themselves on their own. They like the attention from powerful, rich men and so they shake their asses.
Men like to see beautiful naked women. They are willing to pay for this privilege. If the amount of women willing to display their bodies for men goes down. the price for the service will go up. Personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without beautiful naked women. Also, I don't think women who engage in these activities are necessarily all stupid or lazy (I'm not sure what evidence you have for this rather sweeping judgement). They are simply making the most of the gifts they were born with (along with the rest of us) - and making this dull boring reality a little less harsh for 50% of the occupants of this sad planet. Anyway, soon, when computer technology allows it, men will be able to make completely photo realistic virtual women who will perform any act, no matter how degrading or sadistic, without cost. But I applaud your idealism - have you ever thought of a career in politics? First woman president perhaps?  | |
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narcotizedmind said: AnotherLover said Of course the half-naked women in videos (or the all naked women in Playboy, etc., for that matter) didn't have a gun held to their heads. But it obviously goes deeper than that. Why do they do it? Because some women have always used sex to get power, and power usually lies with men. They are usually either not intelligent or talented enough or just too plain lazy to get it themselves on their own. They like the attention from powerful, rich men and so they shake their asses.
Men like to see beautiful naked women. They are willing to pay for this privilege. If the amount of women willing to display their bodies for men goes down. the price for the service will go up. Personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without beautiful naked women. Also, I don't think women who engage in these activities are necessarily all stupid or lazy (I'm not sure what evidence you have for this rather sweeping judgement). They are simply making the most of the gifts they were born with (along with the rest of us) - and making this dull boring reality a little less harsh for 50% of the occupants of this sad planet. Anyway, soon, when computer technology allows it, men will be able to make completely photo realistic virtual women who will perform any act, no matter how degrading or sadistic, without cost. But I applaud your idealism - have you ever thought of a career in politics? First woman president perhaps? Men like to see beautiful, naked women (and what is "beautiful", btw?), but the women who do it publically get called all sorts of names like "whore" and "slut" and for the most part aren't respected much. But hey, with guys like you who needs respect, huh? In your mind, they can remain only "naked, beautiful women", without substance or personality, and all about the exterior. They can be your private little dolls... Again, you twist what I say around in order to make your own point. I didn't make a "sweeping judgement" (this is the second time you've accused me of this, btw, without either asking for clarification or even quoting me accurately) I did not say that all women who shake their asses for men are stupid or lazy--but a great deal of them are. I know many personally, so my remarks are not just conjecture. I'm not suggesting a world without naked women, again you take it to extremes. I don't mind women shaking their tits and asses in videos or on stage or wherever--what I don't like is how they become labeled and how society views them for doing so. Many men and women regard them as disposable, without value other than sexual, almost as subhuman. This thread is about men raping a woman--and I believe that their actions are results of many things, one being the way we turn women into walking, talking pussy for your pleasure. And what do women get in return? Some moments of attention from men, some money or other material things, some false sentiment from men who fall in love via their pricks (until the better looking, younger woman comes along that is)? As far as your comment about my idealism, etc.--fuck you. I'm tired of your sarcastic, condescending attitude toward me. [This message was edited Tue Jul 23 21:30:22 PDT 2002 by AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead] | |
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These 2 should be hung by their testicles for a while and be video taped..if they want to be on camera so much. Play some of their crappy music in that background and we can show it on MTV. | |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: Brother915 said: June7 said: Brother915 said: R-Kelly was wrong for what he did...but what would have been wrong with those women saying..."NO NO...I don't care how much money or fame you have...we're not going to allow ourselves to be treated like this". Rememeber we must be held accountable for our actions..especially if you're going to call yourself an adult.
I don't think the issue is with the women who, in fact, consented 2 have sex with him (regardless of the "type" of sex he was offering). The issue is not the consenting adult, it's the minors he's taking advantage of. All of the women in question, however, r the ones who get caught in the whole trip of fucking a superstar...that's their problem. The fact that he took advantage of his stardom 2 fuck minors is everyone's problem, and is currently being addressed in our courts... Exactly...I stated in my post that what he did to that minor was serious. It was shameful and dehumanizing(yes he should be dealt with through the legal system). I know what he is in trouble for. I was simply saying that a lot of times the male counterpart is often under the spotlight sort to speak. If there haven't been a minor and the tape surface, people probably would have still been saying ..."look at him on that tape with those women...pervert" and not even consider the fact that those women agreed to some "12 PLAY" Just like people complain and moan about women being half-naked in hip-hop videos. Nobody has a gun up to these women head making them strip down for these videos. Feel me??? Actually, I don't recall anyone here on the R Kelly threads having a problem with him having sex with the adult women. The only thing anyone would've thought of him was that he's a freak for wanting to pee in someone's mouth and get off on it. It's the issue of the young girl and always has been. Of course the half-naked women in videos (or the all naked women in Playboy, etc., for that matter) didn't have a gun held to their heads. But it obviously goes deeper than that. Why do they do it? Because some women have always used sex to get power, and power usually lies with men. They are usually either not intelligent or talented enough or just too plain lazy to get it themselves on their own. They like the attention from powerful, rich men and so they shake their asses. The way to stop that? Should we stop that? Education and opportunities and valuing women for what they are instead of what they look like or how good of a sex partner they are. Just another one of my "opinions"  I concur with this. Like I said, we must be held accountable for our actions. Everyone...men and women ...males and females. | |
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narcotizedmind said: AnotherLover said Of course the half-naked women in videos (or the all naked women in Playboy, etc., for that matter) didn't have a gun held to their heads. But it obviously goes deeper than that. Why do they do it? Because some women have always used sex to get power, and power usually lies with men. They are usually either not intelligent or talented enough or just too plain lazy to get it themselves on their own. They like the attention from powerful, rich men and so they shake their asses.
Men like to see beautiful naked women. They are willing to pay for this privilege. If the amount of women willing to display their bodies for men goes down. the price for the service will go up. Personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without beautiful naked women. Also, I don't think women who engage in these activities are necessarily all stupid or lazy (I'm not sure what evidence you have for this rather sweeping judgement). They are simply making the most of the gifts they were born with (along with the rest of us) - and making this dull boring reality a little less harsh for 50% of the occupants of this sad planet. Anyway, soon, when computer technology allows it, men will be able to make completely photo realistic virtual women who will perform any act, no matter how degrading or sadistic, without cost. But I applaud your idealism - have you ever thought of a career in politics? First woman president perhaps? Yes ,I've engaged in conversations with women and even knew some women who were "shake dancers". The women I knew that danced were college women that went to my school. They were good students from what I could see. They were smart human beings, why they danced?, I don't know. Ok, time for me to give props to Ray Parker Jr. Later!!! | |
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Women have been using their sexuality to get ahead in life since time began.
A beautiful chick doesn't have to be smart. All she has to do is play the game right, show up in the right places, be seen by the right people, and she'll be set. A babe like Carmen Electra could leave the farm in Iowa, show up at a Friday night Paisley party, be noticed, and become Prince's woman and a "singer" on his label within a couple of months. If a chick is fine, she can get whatever she wants if she plays her cards right.  | |
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AnotherLover said Men like to see beautiful, naked women (and what is "beautiful", btw?), but the women who do it publically get called all sorts of names like "whore" and "slut" and for the most part aren't respected much. But hey, with guys like you who needs respect, huh? In your mind, they can remain only "naked, beautiful women", without substance or personality, and all about the exterior. They can be your private little dolls...
Again, you twist what I say around in order to make your own point. I didn't make a "sweeping judgement" (this is the second time you've accused me of this, btw, without either asking for clarification or even quoting me accurately) I did not say that all women who shake their asses for men are stupid or lazy--but a great deal of them are. I know many personally, so my remarks are not just conjecture. I'm not suggesting a world without naked women, again you take it to extremes. I don't mind women shaking their tits and asses in videos or on stage or wherever--what I don't like is how they become labeled and how society views them for doing so. Many men and women regard them as disposable, without value other than sexual, almost as subhuman. This thread is about men raping a woman--and I believe that their actions are results of many things, one being the way we turn women into walking, talking pussy for your pleasure. And what do women get in return? Some moments of attention from men, some money or other material things, some false sentiment from men who fall in love via their pricks (until the better looking, younger woman comes along that is)? As far as your comment about my idealism, etc.--fuck you. I'm tired of your sarcastic, condescending attitude toward me. As always, I agree with many of your points. I was probably going off on a tangent. What really interests me is the attitudes of all of us to the sex industry. Sex is increasingly being turned into a product. I happen to like this trend. It seems we're getting back to how humans really are, and throwing off two thousand years of Christian anti-pagan b.s. Now, my attitude is this: the women in this industry are performing a service, and they should be seen on the same level as lawyers or doctors or anyone else for that matter (as a student I used to clean toilets for money, so I know well being regarded as the lowest bit of scum - by women as well as men). I'm not being sarcastic (as far as condescension - all I can say is that it's not intentional). I think we're fighting out of the same corner. I also think you're making assumptions about what goes on in my mind. Certainly in one corner of my mind I can treat women as nothing but holes to come in (and worse). But this is just a very small part of every man. It goes with having a cock. If you had one you'd understand. But for all that I've never raped any one. I can clearly separate my fantasy life from my real life. I don't think women in real life are just cunts on legs, or should be treated as such. All I'm trying to do is put the other side of the case - the benefits to men of the economic exploitation of women's sexuality. Presumably these should figure to some extent in the discussion. | |
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Oh, I forgot to defend myself on the charge of making incorrect deductions from your statements. You said Of course the half-naked women in videos (or the all naked women in Playboy, etc., for that matter) didn't have a gun held to their heads. But it obviously goes deeper than that. Why do they do it? Because some women have always used sex to get power, and power usually lies with men. They are usually either not intelligent or talented enough or just too plain lazy to get it themselves on their own. They like the attention from powerful, rich men and so they shake their asses.
I said I don't think women who engage in these activities are necessarily all stupid or lazy (I'm not sure what evidence you have for this rather sweeping judgement).
I still think you are making a sweeping judgement when you say that women who use their bodies for economic advancement are "usually" stupid or lazy. "Often" or "quite often" I wouldn't object to. My post was supposed to highlight the point that the stupidity or laziness of the women in question is really irrelevant. The driving force here is male demand. You can educate all you like, but the men will simply pay more to satisfy their craving (assuming this education would have any effect). For an insight into how men like me think read the novels of Michel Houellebecq (recently awarded a major literary prize - he's also loathed for being honest). | |
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narcotizedmind said: As always, I agree with many of your points. I was probably going off on a tangent. What really interests me is the attitudes of all of us to the sex industry. Sex is increasingly being turned into a product. I happen to like this trend. It seems we're getting back to how humans really are, and throwing off two thousand years of Christian anti-pagan b.s. Now, my attitude is this: the women in this industry are performing a service, and they should be seen on the same level as lawyers or doctors or anyone else for that matter (as a student I used to clean toilets for money, so I know well being regarded as the lowest bit of scum - by women as well as men). I'm not being sarcastic (as far as condescension - all I can say is that it's not intentional). I think we're fighting out of the same corner. I also think you're making assumptions about what goes on in my mind. Certainly in one corner of my mind I can treat women as nothing but holes to come in (and worse). But this is just a very small part of every man. It goes with having a cock. If you had one you'd understand. But for all that I've never raped any one. I can clearly separate my fantasy life from my real life. I don't think women in real life are just cunts on legs, or should be treated as such. All I'm trying to do is put the other side of the case - the benefits to men of the economic exploitation of women's sexuality. Presumably these should figure to some extent in the discussion. The condescension and sarcasm I was referring to was your supposed admiration for my "idealism" and the comment concerning my becoming the first female president. I don't think you admire anything but your own opinions/beliefs. "the benefits to men of the economic exploitation of women's sexuality"--exploitation is the key word here for me. I have a problem with anyone who benefits from the exploitation of another human being. Yes, you have a cock and I don't understand what that's like, but you don't have a CUNT or female tits or ass and you don't understand what it's like to be valued primarily for the sexual pleasure you can provide. Instead of men buying it, wouldn't it be nice if it evolved from a mutual attraction and emotional benefit? | |
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narcotizedmind said: My post was supposed to highlight the point that the stupidity or laziness of the women in question is really irrelevant. The driving force here is male demand. You can educate all you like, but the men will simply pay more to satisfy their craving (assuming this education would have any effect). For an insight into how men like me think read the novels of Michel Houellebecq (recently awarded a major literary prize - he's also loathed for being honest).
I'm hardly saying that women should withhold sex or, heaven forbid, not satisfy every little craving you might have  I am saying that women and men can learn that a woman's worth is not limited to her body, her looks or her sexuality. I'm saying that women can and should look for power in myriad ways, not just via their physicality and how men react to them.
Believe me, I have all of the "insight" into how men like you think that I need. I don't need to read another book, I've read all kinds of books about this. And I don't loathe people for being honest--I loathe them for what they stand for. Honesty does not automatically equate to being admirable. I've heard, "I was only being honest" so many times as a defense from people who have said unnecessarily creul, hurtful, stupid, arrogant things. | |
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mistermaxxx said: Sounds a Bit Racist to Me?
Oh, I shouldn't even bother respond to this. The next time you accuse anyone of racism, you know, just shut the fuck up. An idiot is an idiot no matter what color they may be. ..sir. | |
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About 10 years ago or so,Mystikal's older sister was
murdered by her boyfriend in her bedroom where Mysitkal's family lived.The boyfriend was sentenced to life in prison. Mystikal has made songs honoring the memory of his sister. His sister was killed on Mystikal's 23rd birthday. Mystikal is also a Gulf War veteran. In your life did U just give a little? Or did U give all that U had? U were just somewhere in the middle Not 2 good Not 2 bad  My name is BISCUIT...and I am funky!  | |
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Biscuit said: About 10 years ago or so,Mystikal's older sister was
murdered by her boyfriend in her bedroom where Mysitkal's family lived.The boyfriend was sentenced to life in prison. Mystikal has made songs honoring the memory of his sister. His sister was killed on Mystikal's 23rd birthday. Mystikal is also a Gulf War veteran. And that says what? Or just some background info? |
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