I need them badly right now. Suggestions?

Songs may include hatred, love, hope, desillusion, preferably at the same time.

Eye Hate U - Prince

StoneCrib said:

Obvious choice, great song, but a bit too superficial and clean right now.

MarieLouise said:

? Then what are you looking for? Clean? What does that mean?

"I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore"

"I Hate U So Much Right Now"

Kelis

Ani DiFranco - Untouchable Face
Todd Rundgren - Hope I'm Around

And something with really loud shouting.

"Putting The Damage On"

Tori Amos


(i just get a lot of strength out of "weak/depressed" sounding songs )

IstenSzek said:

OMG, that is the all-time most heartbreakingly, sweet sad song ever. "Hey Jupiter" always does the trick too.

GangstaFam said:

oh god yes, "Hey Jupiter"



and i thought, with you, i wouldn't have to be a magazine

~swoon~

IstenSzek said:

Check this shit out.

Tori talks about

Hey Jupiter



“Well, I was really in a bind because um, I was doing some bad things and I was in a love triangle with these uh I don’t even know if they were real now, I’m confused about the whole thing. So let’s see I was lying in bed. Strange things happen to you on tour, like strange Englishmen start sitting at the end of your bed, apparitions of dead guys. And they start singing songs to you. And this guy was definitely dead. And he was definitely singing to me. Um so I’m confused about the copyright laws. I’m not sure if I need to call his ex-wife and give her part of the song or not. But why should I do that? She’s rich. She’s not nice. So anyway I um, kept the copyright. And the guys forgot who I was and the song is mine.” [VH1 Storytellers – 1998]

Where did you get the inspiration for the song “Hey Jupiter”?
“I was going through something in my life, and I felt the presence at the end of my bed of a ghost of someone I recognized. I was in a hotel room in Arizona during the Under the Pink tour. I followed this ghost into the bathroom. I turned on all the water...the shower... I let the room steam up...the water became part of the sound, almost like an orchestra...and this ghost drew a picture for me in the mirror in the steam. The way I interpreted the picture was that earth and Jupiter were in love billions of years ago, then they were separated, and now they are billions of miles apart, and this is earth’s love song to Jupiter.”

Tori was asked about the meaning of Hey Jupiter, where it really came from, and said: “Well, I was doing some really bad things, I was involved in this love triangle and it wasn’t good. One night this strange Englishman sat on the edge of my bed and sang me this song. He was definitely dead, and this is definitely his song. Now I thought about turning over the copyright to his widow, but I decided that she is a bitch so I didn’t. Ha.” [VH1 Storytellers – 1998]

“The album going into Hey Jupiter... is the point where she knows it’s over with this particular relationship, or ships, and it’s not ever gonna be what it was again. It is never going back. That’s where the whole record turns on its axis.” [B-Side – May/June 1996]

One of the girls on Boys for Pele is “Hey Jupiter,” a song about the pain of separation that Amos says is very much about a real man. “I was at my lowest. I was at a hotel in Phoenix, and I realized that for once there wasn’t a man I could turn to.” [Spin – March 1996]

“Hey Jupiter was especially hard. I’d made 13 calls from all over the world. I was getting ready to catch a plane from Phoenix to do the Vegas show, and I rang his [Eric Rosse’s] number again, but no one was picking up. And in that moment, after all the... you know, the fiery red head behaviour, drawing my lines, making my threats...I was lying there alone, feeling incredibly weak. Feeling like there are not enough sold-out shows, like it doesn’t matter that every American show is sold out, because I’m only alive when I’m on a stage with a piano. The rest of the time I’m just this shell. So, when I wrote Hey Jupiter, it was like, how could we have been so cruel? Because when we started out, there was so much love. Real caring. And I sit here hating someone who I had been head over heels in love with. Taking jets to meet up for four hours and then flying back to do a show the next night.” [Time Out – Dec 20, 1995]

“On Hey Jupiter, she knows the way she has looked at relationships with men and put them on a pedestal is over. There’s a sense of incredible loss because I knew that I would never be able to see the same way again. It’s freeing, and yet there’s a sense of grieving with that.”

Although “Hey Jupiter” finds Amos singing “and I thought I wouldn’t have to be/With you as something new,” the lyric sheet renders the couplet as “and I thought you’d see with me/You wouldn’t have to be something new.” What happened?
“It kept coming back that way,” she says of the lyric sheet. “I kept correcting it. Seventeen times, revision after revision, it kept coming back. I looked at it, and said, ‘[It] needs to hold both of them. The girl needs to be saying it while the other voice is saying it differently, because they can’t communicate anymore.’” [The Baltimore Sun – Jan 21, 1996]

There's that Three Days Grace song "I Hate Everything About You "
It doesn't have all the specs you're looking for but it's a love/hate song and it's also a good song.

x-factor-lauryn hill

GangstaFam said:

i love the way tori talks about her songs!

brownsugar said:

oh good one!

i always want to play that one but i always end up hating them
so this song doesn't really fit. you have to still love them

IstenSzek said:

but i think she does. its a love/hate type thing.

IstenSzek said:

Me too. Her discussion of them is as interesting as listening to the songs themselves. And it makes them so much easier to understand.

brownsugar said:

oh i think it's a good one for MarieLouise

GangstaFam said:

i'll have to read up on her comments about the last 2 albums
since i kind of didn't keep track from there on.

Stacie Orrico - Stuck

IstenSzek said:

i was gonna post the lyrics but its to sad.

IstenSzek said:

www.yessaid.com is all you need.

GangstaFam said:

You two really should just move in together.

brownsugar said:

ooooh! good one!

Hmm? "Irresistable Bitch"maybe?

Novabreaker said:

we already live together. i'm in the attic
gangsta's in the livingroom.

bring me a cup of coffee please gangsta

IstenSzek said:

Marie

Well it's not a "still love you" song and the circumstances are different, but it exposes the feeling of being so hurt perfectly:

ALANIS MORISSETTE:
"You Oughta Know"

I want you to know, that I'm happy for you
I wish nothing but the best for you both
An older version of me
Is she perverted like me
Would she go down on you in a theatre
Does she speak eloquently
And would she have your baby
I'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother

Cause the love that you gave that we made wasn't able
To make it enough for you to be open wide, no
And every time you speak her name
Does she know how you told me you'd hold me
Until you died, till you died
But you're still alive

And I'm here to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair to deny me
Of the cross I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know

You seem very well, things look peaceful
I'm not quite as well, I thought you should know
Did you forget about me Mr. Duplicity
I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner
It was a slap in the face how quickly I was replaced
Are you thinking of me when you fuck her

Cause the love that you gave that we made wasn't able
To make it enough for you to be open wide, no
And every time you speak her name
Does she know how you told me you'd hold me
Until you died, til you died
But you're still alive

And I'm here to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair to deny me
Of the cross I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know

Cause the joke that you laid on the bed that was me
And I'm not gonna fade
As soon as you close your eyes and you know it
And every time I scratch my nails down someone else's back
I hope you feel it...well can you feel it

And I'm here to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair to deny me
Of the cross I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know

Or this one:

Testify by Sananda

Once ago there were lovebirds who began to fly
Into different spaces of the sky
They were kissed by grace notes passing by
on there rainbow faces
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
But I'll still give it a try
Sometimes I wonder why
Once ago there were sun birds who began to burn
With the heat of summers soft concern
But he turned her faith into a lie
And it stole her sigh
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
But I'll still give it a try
Sometimes I wonder why
I can hear my lover calling
As the lazy afternoon is falling
Even if it's in my mind my memory just killing time
Loving has left me wanting
A ghost would find love haunting
I'll have to see if it costs an arm and a legacy
But it's still in question I can't deny
That it took a while to learn to fly
So I did impressions
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
Testify
Love is never easy
Love is never easy
But I'll still give it a try
Sometimes I wonder why

green eyes-erykah badu