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Printablesosgemini said: roundables said: You're crazy if you think artists get a crazy amount of money from cd sales. She's only asking to make a bigger percentage of the money she makes for the company. Oh fuck yes, Mariah is wrong for wanting a bigger piece of the pie made from a product w/ her name on it. There aren't alot of music artists out there really caking it up for real. Sure they have nice houses and cars and 99.9% of the time that shit is rented or in the record companies name. so she should have took all that into consideration prior to signing the contract.. What do you not get? What kind of caked up demands could Mariah have made after Glitter? Nobody wanted her so Def Jam got her on the cheap. She had meetings w/ almost everybody. What do you not get she couldn't go in demanding more money. She had to take what she could get at the time, or take nothing at all. Her contract is up after the next album, and then they renegotiate. What she should have been taking into consideration? She knows she has the capability now to argue for more money. But, she had to prove that she was worth more money and she's done that. I'm mad you feel like she could have negotiated better after being the laughinstock of the music industry the year before. [Edited 3/17/06 18:34pm] | |
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roundables said: sosgemini said: so she should have took all that into consideration prior to signing the contract.. What do you not get? What kind of caked up demands could Mariah have made after Glitter? Nobody wanted her so Def Jam got her on the cheap. She had meetings w/ almost everybody. What do you not get she couldn't go in demanding more money. She had to take what she could get at the time, or take nothing at all. Her contract is up after the next album, and then they renegotiate. What she should have been taking into consideration? She knows she has the capability now to argue for more money. But, she had to prove that she was worth more money and she's done that. I'm mad you feel like she could have negotiated better after being the laughinstock of the music industry the year before. [Edited 3/17/06 18:34pm] ehh? isnt this thread about mariah asking for an addendum and more money on her current contract? Space for sale... | |
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roundables said: DavidEye said: More money for what? Another mansion? 
Mariah is already filthy rich.She's made millions from this latest CD and she was paid $28 million (!) to get out of her last record deal.I'm tired of multi-millionaire artists complaining and whining that they are "underpaid".It's ridiculous. . [Edited 3/17/06 7:12am] You're crazy if you think artists get a crazy amount of money from cd sales. She's only asking to make a bigger percentage of the money she makes for the company. Oh fuck yes, Mariah is wrong for wanting a bigger piece of the pie made from a product w/ her name on it. There aren't alot of music artists out there really caking it up for real. Sure they have nice houses and cars and 99.9% of the time that shit is rented or in the record companies name. I remeber seein on vh1 how the hot the metal bands were and suddenly they were hot anymore they ended up givin up the morgages and renting hosue and were not very rich jusr ordinary ppl living simple lives that is bound to happen in the rap thing too!! | |
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sosgemini said: roundables said: What do you not get? What kind of caked up demands could Mariah have made after Glitter? Nobody wanted her so Def Jam got her on the cheap. She had meetings w/ almost everybody. What do you not get she couldn't go in demanding more money. She had to take what she could get at the time, or take nothing at all. Her contract is up after the next album, and then they renegotiate. What she should have been taking into consideration? She knows she has the capability now to argue for more money. But, she had to prove that she was worth more money and she's done that. I'm mad you feel like she could have negotiated better after being the laughinstock of the music industry the year before. [Edited 3/17/06 18:34pm] ehh? isnt this thread about mariah asking for an addendum and more money on her current contract? Umm, no maybe you should have read a little more carefully before grandstanding. Mariah's got a three album deal w/ an option after that to re-sign. Her next album will be the third album so she will then be able to negotiate for a better deal. Why would she go for more money on her current contract when that contract is almost up. The whole article is about her prepping for the negotiations that will happen after the last album she contracted for. | |
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roundables said: sosgemini said: ehh? isnt this thread about mariah asking for an addendum and more money on her current contract? Umm, no maybe you should have read a little more carefully before grandstanding. Mariah's got a three album deal w/ an option after that to re-sign. Her next album will be the third album so she will then be able to negotiate for a better deal. Why would she go for more money on her current contract when that contract is almost up. The whole article is about her prepping for the negotiations that will happen after the last album she contracted for. 
this from the initial post: MIMI is now enlisting her lawyers once again from the EMI fiasco to negotiate why she has been so greatly underpaid for work that has done so much revenue for the label but not much for her.
so, please tell me..what cho talking about willis? Space for sale... | |
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sallysassalot said: laurarichardson said: ----- I did not say you typed anything. It is more of question. Some of you guys make it seem like nothing can be re-negoiated. Any contract can be re-worked if both parties want to work together. Mariah sold a shit load of records and she deserves a better deal. My opinion. of course it can be argued that she only did so with through the aid of defjam. they could - and i'm not saying i agree or disagree with this - say they stuck with her after charmbracelet, continued to provide support for tours, advertisements, and all of these other upfront costs. while she certainly has to pay them back, they need an incentive to put it up in the first place. that incentive is the killing they make at the bank IF the record is a success. luckily it was a smash hit and they made out but what if it was another flop? what if the fight was on the other side and defjam was trying to get mariah to pay them/take a smaller cut from what her contract says in order to recoup their losses? would you be supporting defjam and saying mariah should give them money because she didn't make any for them? to those who are insisting mariah deserves more money, i pose the question again. would you support defjam if mariah's records on that label were flops and they tried to get some of their money back from her in court? | |
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Mariah is the biggest secret in music. WHAT happened to her voice????? She saved music after Milli Vinilli, now a decade later she lip syncs everywhere. 
Something happened to her voice that no one brings up OR ever asks her | |
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sosgemini said: roundables said: You're crazy if you think artists get a crazy amount of money from cd sales. She's only asking to make a bigger percentage of the money she makes for the company. Oh fuck yes, Mariah is wrong for wanting a bigger piece of the pie made from a product w/ her name on it. There aren't alot of music artists out there really caking it up for real. Sure they have nice houses and cars and 99.9% of the time that shit is rented or in the record companies name. so she should have took all that into consideration prior to signing the contract.. ----- Well when your crazy ass ex-husband has gone out his way to make you look like a nut to the entire music industry what choices are you going to have. Bottomline if they want to keep her around she will get a better deal. CD s are not flying out of the stores right now and she is selling a lot of CD's. | |
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roundables said: DavidEye said: More money for what? Another mansion?
Mariah is already filthy rich.She's made millions from this latest CD and she was paid $28 million (!) to get out of her last record deal.I'm tired of multi-millionaire artists complaining and whining that they are "underpaid".It's ridiculous. You're crazy if you think artists get a crazy amount of money from cd sales. She's only asking to make a bigger percentage of the money she makes for the company. Oh fuck yes, Mariah is wrong for wanting a bigger piece of the pie made from a product w/ her name on it. There aren't alot of music artists out there really caking it up for real. Sure they have nice houses and cars and 99.9% of the time that shit is rented or in the record companies name. I realize that artists don't make all their money from CD sales.But there is a such thing as touring.That's where the real money is,anyway.Just ask Prince or Madonna. I just think it's crazy for Mariah to complain that she is underpaid.Just a few years ago,she signed a $100 million deal with Virgin.The deal didn't work out and she was let go,but she still walked away with $28 million.She made $28 million for delivering only one album to the company! I don't know the details of her current contract,but I'd be willing to bet that she won't be on welfare anytime soon,lol. | |
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lastdecember said: Well like 99% of the music industry back in 1994 when Prince started writing SLAVE on his face and breaking from WB, everyone thought he was "nuts", prince preached about owning masters and things like that and now years later EVERYONE wants their masters or has fought to get them (ex, the eagles, elton, jovi, joel, rem etc..). Now in yet another forsight of Prince i feel, if U remember the whole Convo that Prince had with Jay Leno about Mariah and "do the math", and saying Mariah got screwed, well its once again true. Though this was not the EMI deal for Mariah, her deal with Defjam which is very small, 3 Cds for about 20 million I believe, well now that Mariah has sold 5+ million in the US alone of MIMI and twice as much worldwide, MIMI is now enlisting her lawyers once again from the EMI fiasco to negotiate why she has been so greatly underpaid for work that has done so much revenue for the label but not much for her. Well Well Well, Prince right again, hmmmm Maybe its time to use your fan base that u have and preach about and try going "indie" mariah. Or maybe just listen to Prince.
Why are you going on as if Prince was the first artist to speak of this? Just because you may have become aware of owning masters via Prince doesn't mean its a new concept to the industry. Please, do a little research. You took notice when an artist that YOU liked said this but its not a secret to industry heads and never has been. Its just that there was a time when not owning your masters paid artists more during their careers. Labels used to write major artists blank checks. When that stopped, major artists started complaining. That was right about the time Prince started bitching. Once millions have been invested in you as an artist via promotion, videos, marketing, image, merchandise and so on, your masters are worth something because people know who you are. You can go to MySpace and find hundreds of thousands of artists who own their masters but ain't making a damn dime off sales. Stop trying to make Prince sound like some fortune teller when he was just preaching general business sense that should be excersized when you sign your first deal. Oh, but would you even get a deal if you didn't sign over your masters, hmm? Your masters are only worth something if there's someone interested in buying/renting them.  As DavidEye pointed out, the MONEY is in touring. Even that is fastly drying up as ClearChanHELL is purchasing up the big venues but its still way more to be made touring than off record sales.
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