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PrintableRipHer2Shreds said: Krytonite said: "And I said, 'No, it just means I kissed Britney Spears. I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. And I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her."
 What a line! Yeah, what kinda energy is Madonna passing here (NSFW).i'd let her do that to me You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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RipHer2Shreds said: Krytonite said: "And I said, 'No, it just means I kissed Britney Spears. I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. And I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her."
What a line! Yeah, what kinda energy is Madonna passing here (NSFW). | |
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Glindathegood said: sosgemini said: i dont like this article at all..why the f*ck is madge letting her daughter play a game of judging folks?
how about she play, lets pick out the black person, mommy...  I don't understand your logic. How is pointing out or wondering what someone's sexual orientation is judging them? We're all curious about that, it doesn't mean you are saying there is something wrong with it if someone is gay. It's not quite the same as pointing to a black person, because that's obvious from their appearance. Sexual orientation is more subtle. To be equal, we don't have to pretend everyone is the same. This man is subtle? 
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RipHer2Shreds said: Krytonite said: "And I said, 'No, it just means I kissed Britney Spears. I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. And I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her."
What a line! Yeah, what kinda energy is Madonna passing here (NSFW).
Lourdes: "Mommy!?!?  "
Madonna: "Yes, Sweety?  "
Lourdes: "Mommy, what are you doing in this pic???  "
Madonna: "  ...where did you get that???  "
Lourdes: "I got it from Uncle Elton!  "
Madonna: "  ...well, you know... that's not me. That's Dita, Sweety...  "
Lourdes: " "
Madonna: "What about your homework???  "
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Krytonite said: NEW YORK - Madonna says she had some explaining to do when her daughter, Lourdes, asked about that kiss with Britney Spears at the 2003 MTV Video Music Awards.
ADVERTISEMENT "(Lourdes) is really obsessed with who is gay," says Madonna in an interview in Out magazine's April issue. "And she even asked, 'Mom, you know they say that you are gay?' And I'm, 'Oh, do they? Why?' And she says, 'Because you kissed Britney Spears.'" "And I said, 'No, it just means I kissed Britney Spears. I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. And I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her." Madonna, 47, famously locked lips with Spears, 24, while performing her songs "Like a Virgin" and "Hollywood" at the awards ceremony. The pop diva, considered by some to be an icon in the gay community, tells the magazine her 9-year-old daughter likes to guess who is gay: "Oh, and the other thing she likes to ," she says. "I seem to have become a target. It's not very gentlemanly or gracious. But he did send me a letter apologizing for his last outburst, right before his wedding." (John and filmmaker David Furnish took civil-union vows in December.) Lourdes is Madonna's daughter with actor/fitness instructor Carlos Leon. She has a 5-year-old son, Rocco, with husband of five years, filmmaker Guy Ritchie. oww wheres mary j when you need her 
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Cheek said: Christopher said: blah blah
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Honestly,I don't see what the big deal is.There are many celebrities who will have alot of explaining to do | |
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sosgemini said: Glindathegood said: I don't understand your logic. How is pointing out or wondering what someone's sexual orientation is judging them? We're all curious about that, it doesn't mean you are saying there is something wrong with it if someone is gay. It's not quite the same as pointing to a black person, because that's obvious from their appearance. Sexual orientation is more subtle. To be equal, we don't have to pretend everyone is the same. so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk..  The bottom line is that she shouldnt be teaching it to her kid. Yeah, a lot of us DO watch people and judge them, for better or worse - but its wrong and we know that inside. We learnt it from somewhere, but hopefully not from our parents. Shes learning that theres a fundamental difference between people just because of their sexual preference, at such a young age? Its all very well making jokes about gaydars and all but, I dont know...this just doesnt sit well with me. That a child would think that. I dont know... I'd rather children were a bit more innocent for longer I suppose... | |
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sosgemini said: Glindathegood said: I don't understand your logic. How is pointing out or wondering what someone's sexual orientation is judging them? We're all curious about that, it doesn't mean you are saying there is something wrong with it if someone is gay. It's not quite the same as pointing to a black person, because that's obvious from their appearance. Sexual orientation is more subtle. To be equal, we don't have to pretend everyone is the same. so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk.. Well there's not really any ambiguity about the colour of someones skin, there can be about someones sexuality. I consider myself to have a pretty decent gaydar, and often play that game with friends, in a lighthearted way, i dont consider myself judging them on their appearance, or Judging at all. More pulling together the little nuances in their behaviour, their speak, their body lanuguage etc, not just their appearance, and making an assumption about their sexuality. I dont hold things like the colour of skin or sexuality against people so i consider this pretty harmless. Dont even go down that route of, we shouldn't judge or make assumptions about people, because we all do it unconsciously every single day. We're conditioned into it. | |
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sosgemini said: Glindathegood said: I don't understand your logic. How is pointing out or wondering what someone's sexual orientation is judging them? We're all curious about that, it doesn't mean you are saying there is something wrong with it if someone is gay. It's not quite the same as pointing to a black person, because that's obvious from their appearance. Sexual orientation is more subtle. To be equal, we don't have to pretend everyone is the same. so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk.. You're still not making sense, but that's okay.  You're only here to stir the ire of Madonna fans. | |
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since when did this turn into a racial discussion?
To lighten the mood,here's a pic of Maddy with John Travolta the other night.I wonder why she didn't ask him to make a cameo in her "Hung Up" video,since it was partly inspired by "Saturday Night Fever" 
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RipHer2Shreds said: Krytonite said: "And I said, 'No, it just means I kissed Britney Spears. I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. And I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her."
What a line! Yeah, what kinda energy is Madonna passing here (NSFW).Omg...Tony Ward's ass is just  One of Dansa's org hornies 
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RipHer2Shreds said: sosgemini said: so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk.. You're still not making sense, but that's okay. You're only here to stir the ire of Madonna fans.is that what he's really here for? I never would have guessed | |
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CrozzaUK said: Well there's not really any ambiguity about the colour of someones skin, there can be about someones sexuality. I consider myself to have a pretty decent gaydar, and often play that game with friends, in a lighthearted way, i dont consider myself judging them on their appearance, or Judging at all. More pulling together the little nuances in their behaviour, their speak, their body lanuguage etc, not just their appearance, and making an assumption about their sexuality. I dont hold things like the colour of skin or sexuality against people so i consider this pretty harmless.Dont even go down that route of, we shouldn't judge or make assumptions about people, because we all do it unconsciously every single day. We're conditioned into it. Exactly. I'm glad someone was understanding what I was trying to say. Gaydar isn't based just on appearance, but on nunaces like behavior, voice, body language etc. (Obviously, there're some gay men where it's obvious from their appearance like Elton and Boy George, but with most people it's not just their appearance.) It's not making a negative judgment on gay people to say a lot of them are different in these mannerisms etc. than straight people on the whole. Even gay people have to admit that. Different doesn't equal inferior or a negative judgement. [Edited 3/8/06 7:23am] [Edited 3/8/06 7:25am] | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: sosgemini said: so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk.. You're still not making sense, but that's okay. You're only here to stir the ire of Madonna fans.then why is other people understand what im saying? and i really dont appreciate you making condescending assumptions about the intent of my contribution on this thread.. its not cool...a.t.a.l.l.  Space for sale... | |
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On the real, I think Madonna is bi. She's dated women.
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Glindathegood said: CrozzaUK said: Well there's not really any ambiguity about the colour of someones skin, there can be about someones sexuality. I consider myself to have a pretty decent gaydar, and often play that game with friends, in a lighthearted way, i dont consider myself judging them on their appearance, or Judging at all. More pulling together the little nuances in their behaviour, their speak, their body lanuguage etc, not just their appearance, and making an assumption about their sexuality. I dont hold things like the colour of skin or sexuality against people so i consider this pretty harmless.Dont even go down that route of, we shouldn't judge or make assumptions about people, because we all do it unconsciously every single day. We're conditioned into it. Exactly. I'm glad someone was understanding what I was trying to say. Gaydar isn't based just on appearance, but on nunaces like behavior, voice, body language etc. (Obviously, there're some gay men where it's obvious from their appearance like Elton and Boy George, but with most people it's not just their appearance.) It's not making a negative judgment on gay people to say a lot of them are different in these mannerisms etc. than straight people on the whole. Even gay people have to admit that. Different doesn't equal inferior or a negative judgement. [Edited 3/8/06 7:23am] [Edited 3/8/06 7:25am] it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Glindathegood said: Exactly. I'm glad someone was understanding what I was trying to say. Gaydar isn't based just on appearance, but on nunaces like behavior, voice, body language etc. (Obviously, there're some gay men where it's obvious from their appearance like Elton and Boy George, but with most people it's not just their appearance.) It's not making a negative judgment on gay people to say a lot of them are different in these mannerisms etc. than straight people on the whole. Even gay people have to admit that. Different doesn't equal inferior or a negative judgement. [Edited 3/8/06 7:23am] [Edited 3/8/06 7:25am] it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it.
you know, I don't think it's a negative at all when people meet me or cross my path and then make an assumption that I'm gay. In fact, I think they are rather perceptive and I move on with the day. I don't find it judgemental, I don't find it offensive. It makes no difference to me. And, I will make an assumption here. This is MADONNA we are talking about. I have NO worries that she is teaching her kids to be open minded. Kids are curious, and if her daughter is starting to learn about sexuality, she's gonna ask questions. I am quite certain that Madonna isn't saying to her "yes honey, you are right, that person is a dirty fag." THAT would be judgemental. | |
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endorphin74 said: sosgemini said: it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it.
you know, I don't think it's a negative at all when people meet me or cross my path and then make an assumption that I'm gay. In fact, I think they are rather perceptive and I move on with the day. I don't find it judgemental, I don't find it offensive. It makes no difference to me. And, I will make an assumption here. This is MADONNA we are talking about. I have NO worries that she is teaching her kids to be open minded. Kids are curious, and if her daughter is starting to learn about sexuality, she's gonna ask questions. I am quite certain that Madonna isn't saying to her "yes honey, you are right, that person is a dirty fag." THAT would be judgemental. let's not forget the kids see their Uncle Christopher and spend lots of time around Jamie King and Guy Orseay. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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sosgemini said: it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it. I get the jist of what you're saying, and i kind of agree with it, but what im saying is that we all do it, consciously or not. We all look at people and think, "hmmm they may be gay", or "hmmm they look depressed" or "hmmm something about that skull cap tells me they may be Jewish". Its how we use that assumption in our actions towards that person that is important. We cant be all seeing all knowing so we have to assume certain things in life. People aren't transparent and keep certain facets of their character & life hidden. I like to take people at face value, and judge them on their character & personality, it doesnt mean i dont assume things about them. What im saying is its impossible to not make certain assumptions about people, its society that conditions us to that, not just our parents. Sad but true. As long as it doesnt feed into a prejudice that you hold against that individual i think its ok and harmless. | |
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sosgemini said: it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it. It's only negative if you think there's something wrong with being gay in the first place. I find the people who are the most offended by gaydar are not gay people, but straight people who for some reason look gay to some people. So what if someone think you're gay if you're not. Is that really so bad? | |
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CrozzaUK said: sosgemini said: it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it. I get the jist of what you're saying, and i kind of agree with it, but what im saying is that we all do it, consciously or not. We all look at people and think, "hmmm they may be gay", or "hmmm they look depressed" or "hmmm something about that skull cap tells me they may be Jewish". Its how we use that assumption in our actions towards that person that is important. We cant be all seeing all knowing so we have to assume certain things in life. People aren't transparent and keep certain facets of their character & life hidden. I like to take people at face value, and judge them on their character & personality, it doesnt mean i dont assume things about them. What im saying is its impossible to not make certain assumptions about people, its society that conditions us to that, not just our parents. Sad but true. As long as it doesnt feed into a prejudice that you hold against that individual i think its ok and harmless. i agree with up till that last sentence...i personally dont think its harmless...but thanks for sharing your thoughts..it was a nice read. Space for sale... | |
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susannah said: sosgemini said: so its now okay to judge and make assumptions about people because of their appearance? sorry, its the same thing..singling out folks who are different...its demeaning and its wrong.. nobody liked it when white folks did it to black folk.. The bottom line is that she shouldnt be teaching it to her kid. Yeah, a lot of us DO watch people and judge them, for better or worse - but its wrong and we know that inside. We learnt it from somewhere, but hopefully not from our parents. Shes learning that theres a fundamental difference between people just because of their sexual preference, at such a young age? Its all very well making jokes about gaydars and all but, I dont know...this just doesnt sit well with me. That a child would think that. I dont know... I'd rather children were a bit more innocent for longer I suppose...u dont learn to judge people, its human nature. its human nature that if someone walks past u and is fat u say to urself that girl/guy is fat. as far as kids learning theres a difference at a young age, times are changing! kids know a lot more thant adults give em credit for, and with or without madonna as their mom they'd know there are difference between people of different sexual orientations, just like there are differences between blacks and whites, cats and dogs etc... and theres nothing bad about those difference either. it only becomes negative when people make it that way Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Glindathegood said: It's only negative if you think there's something wrong with being gay in the first place. I find the people who are the most offended by gaydar are not gay people, but straight people who for some reason look gay to some people. So what if someone think you're gay if you're not. Is that really so bad? thats not the issue..the issue is judging someone for their exterior appearance...be the person black, red, white, thug looking, middle eastern looking, gay looking, trailer park looking..whatever.. imho, its wrong to allow a child to judge on exterior appearance... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Glindathegood said: Exactly. I'm glad someone was understanding what I was trying to say. Gaydar isn't based just on appearance, but on nunaces like behavior, voice, body language etc. (Obviously, there're some gay men where it's obvious from their appearance like Elton and Boy George, but with most people it's not just their appearance.) It's not making a negative judgment on gay people to say a lot of them are different in these mannerisms etc. than straight people on the whole. Even gay people have to admit that. Different doesn't equal inferior or a negative judgement. [Edited 3/8/06 7:23am] [Edited 3/8/06 7:25am] it is too a negative to make assumptions and judge folks simply based on their appearance...in no way was i trying to equate blacks to gays..i was just making a comparison to how others were judge simply based on their appearance. it wasnt appropriate then and it isnt appropriate now. regardless of who's mother is allowing it. theres a complete difference in how blacks judged whites and how lourdes is judging gays. whites not only judged who they were based on there skin but they also treated em like shit cuz of it. lourdes is doing somethin EVERYONE does. everyone at some point judges people based on how they look and i bet u do it too. what can be negative is the treatment that comes from that judging. and so far, as far as lourdes is concerned, we havent heard about her doin any gay bashin Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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