Tom said:

yes!



fatlip from pharcyde just put on a new cd called "the loneliest punk" and its pretty good actually. the dvd that comes with it has a lil documentary where he discusses the early days with the pharcyde onto the end and why they broke up.





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[Edited 2/7/06 2:08am]

ChristopherTracyParade said:

The guys voice creeped me out.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

ok.

thesexofit said:

No one should put you down for what you like, sexofit.

That being said, I think the answer lies in what you yourself said. I'm paraphrasing here, but you indictated that you dig "pop rap." Many people consider that distinct from "hip-hop." And I agree. As Q-Tip said to MC Hammer in the classic "Check The Rhime,"

"rap is not pop if you call it that just stop . . ."

namepeace said:

...and back then it was easier to differentiate. There was such a thing as pure hip-hop back then; the co-opting was not complete. There was rap, which didn't get played on pop stations, and there was pop. Some pop rap artists emerged (Hammer, Young MC, etc) but it was still easy to tell the difference. Then began the process that namepeace described earlier, in which many of the elements of hip hop/rap were sucked dry of soul and substance and presented as a new genre of pop.

lilgish said:

This is an interesting thread.....

sinisterpentatonic said:

Couldn't agree more, 4get Kanye West, 50 Cent , Nelly & all that
Rakim, BDP, Public Enemy,De La Soul, well essentially real hip hop comes from New York, sorry all u west coast,, gangsta shit lovers...

kanamit said:

Well, I'm from the West and I'm not a Gangsta Rap fan, but don't act like NY didn't straight copy the gangsta rap style once it blew up. Just ask Biggie and Jay Z - Straight thuggin' it after NWA and Ice T made it popular.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

sorry, kanamit, CTP is right on this one. NYC turned, in the words of Onyx, "shifty, lowdown gritty and grimy" after The Chronic blew up. Right before that, the East Coast, for the most part, was producing jazz/soul infused, non-gangsta acts like Brand Nubian, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, ATCQ, etc.

Actually, one of the very first shots across the West Coast bow was Enta Da Stage, an overlooked East Coast "gangsta" classic. Rougher and rawer than anything comin' out of the so-called East Coast gangstas today.

namepeace said:

Black Moon's Enter Da Stage is one of my favorite hip-hop albums of the early '90s...Buckshot is an underrated MC...A great album
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kanamit said:

I think Kanye West is more on the Native Tongue family tree than people realize...All you have to do is listen to his production...Let's not confuse mass appeal with not equaling "real hip-hop"...I think people are so lazy when it comes to categories...judge the music on its own merit...

This is Hip-Hop...


Anything Native Tongue
Gangstar
Early Death Row
Nas
Jay-Z (Pick up Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint and peep the lyrics...dude was in a zone...)
Run DMC
LL Cool J
Kanye West
NWA
Rakim
Common
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5
OutKast
Public Enemy
Geto Boys
Scarface
MC Lyte
Slick Rick & Doug E Fresh
Wu-Tang Clan
Early Eminem (Before he went nuts)
Tupac (Makaveli era)
Notorious BIG
Fugees
Leaders Of The New School
Black Moon
Big Pun
[Edited 2/10/06 22:05pm]

It is obvious you people don't know hip hop.

Real hip hop is not limited to cornballs rapping about eating bean pies and some other philisophical bullshit

Saying something is real hip hop, is like looking a black person in his eye
and telling him "he aint black enough"

2 Live Crew is just as real as Rakim
50 Cent is just as real as NWA


Talking about hip hop on a Prince site is suspect

workingupahiyellasweat said:

LOL! It's obvious you're not a scholar in this son. You need to sit back and watch the knowledgeable cats get down while you go and listen to your wack ass Crunk N B, Laffy Taffy bullshit, since you wanna pop big yang about what you THINK you know. You have ZERO CLUE as to what the difference between HIP HOP and RAP is and THEN you have the nerve to try and call out some folk on a Prince site? (ahem) Uh, aren't YOU here trying to talk about what YOU think Hip Hop is? Get a clue, buster. Stop fakin' the funk and frontin' and then you can get set straight and free. Learn something.

workingupahiyellasweat said:

It's obvious you're not paying attention.

My very first post on the subject said in part , , ,


But in my mind,

Not all gangsta is wack. Take Ice-T's albums, early Tupac, The Chronic, Ready To Die, Enta Da Stage, Ice Cube's first four joints, Too Short's early joints, the first NWA album, I could go on and on. But when it becomes a parody of itself, as it has with a lot of these hit-pop gangstas, it loses context and meaning.

So as one who owns Eazy-E's first Ruthless 12", whose first concert was 2 Live Crew, I find your comments, to put it charitably, curious.

I am Real Hip-Hop!
[Edited 2/11/06 7:54am]

COLD CRUSH BROTHERS
[Edited 2/13/06 20:35pm]

namepeace said:

Speaking of Onyx, is one of the members doing workout videos now? There's some celebrity fitness trainer videos they advertise like crazy on VH-1, with the guy screaming "Get off your butt and do it!!!", that looks like one of the guys from Onyx.

r&b is all sung, rap is all spoken...i dont know, it's kind of where the two meet, although the terms rap and hip hop can be interchangeable.

but hip hop is a culture, a marketing genre...so much more than a music style these days. clothing, writing, movies (i.e. "brown sugar") etc...

the BEST hip hop IMHO is

A Tribe Called Quest
Q Tip
Common
Nas
Queen Latifah
Salt n Pepa
Lauryn Hill
Missy
Fugees
LL Cool J
Lil Kim
B.I.G.

badujunkie said:

Take Lil Kim off that list. Hip Hop REQUIRES lyrical prowess and she has NONE, ZERO, ZELCH, NADA.

Tom said:

Good question, but who knows?

If Ice Cube can do family flicks and Queen Latifah can do a jazz cover album in the 21st century, then Sticky Fingaz doing a workout video isn't a stretch.

namepeace said:

lilgish said:

CinisterCee said:

Kanye West his album is da bomb, its not gangsta and hes got good beats and an intelligent message

I aint you a goldigga but I aint dealing with broke ass nigga

FunkMistress said:

I like her song with that video when all those women were standing in line waiting to get into a club or something, and she was walking past them and rapping and they showed how the woman didn't have anything to wear so they took household items and made outfits. One chick had a credit card skirt, and one took her shower hooks and wore them as bangles. I thought that was cute. And what about Missy?

ChristopherTracyParade said:

"i dont want dick tonight/eat my pussy right"

that isn't lyrical prowess?

badujunkie said:

Uh.....No.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

She got a coupla songs where got 'some'. Quiet Storm w/Mobb Deep and Get Money w/Junior Mafia.