I'm not an hip-hop afficionado, but what can we consider real hip-hop. The core of all the movement?

Please enlighten me!

Go to www.daveyd.com and www.okayplayer.com and you'll see.
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WHATS REAL HIP HOP WELL IT,S OLD SCHOOL ARTIST LIKE GRAND MASTER AND THE FURIOUS 5 AND THE SUGARHILL GANG CURTIS BLOW AND LL.COOL J ,KOOL MOE D,BEASTIE BOYS RUN D,M.C AND PUBLIC ENEMEY, JJ FAD AND SUPER SOINIC ,SALT & PEPA AND ALL OLD SCHOOL RAPPERS COMPARED 2 THESE NEW SCHOOL ARTIST RAP BACK THEN WAS WORTH LISTENING 2

cherylblues said:

nah...there's some new artists that are good as well.

okayplayer is a good place to look.


and JJ FAD sucked

Rhondab said:

JJ Fad?.... oh sweet jesus... lol.. and its "Kurtis Blow" lol kids today, i swear...

IAintTheOne said:

Oh, well, that's the breaks.

REAL HIP HOP: Mos Def, Talib, Common, De La, Wu, Rakim, Tribe...

FAKE HIP HOP(RAP): TI, Lil Jon, Ying Yang Twins, Nelly, Chingy...

Basically, the BULLSHIT is RAP...the DOPE SHIT is REAL HIP HOP.

FunkMistress said:

lmao... did you explain to the IRS why you claimed your cat?

IAintTheOne said:

Nah, I didn't answer them. I was on the other line to Brazil.

FunkMistress said:

Wow. Many of us current and former hip-hop "heads" like myself dog out hip-hop so much but we never answer that question.

It's a hard question to answer because it's subjective based on our different perspectives, influences and exposure to artists.

But in my mind, the hallmarks of "real" hip-hop are:

- Great beats
- creative, outstanding lyricism
- a clear or compelling message
- confidence
- pride
- strength
- uniqueness
- the ability to connect with the audience

The amounts of each vary from artist to artist. This is why I'd consider, De La Soul and old-school Ice-T "real" hip-hop.

"Real" hip-hop doesn't have to be perfect, or virtuous. In fact, some of my favorite artists are huge egomaniacs (see Kanye West) and a few I consider to be hypocrites (Brand Nubian, etc.).

The disease of Hit-Pop lacks all of these except confidence. It's not unique. It's not marked by great MCing or great beats. It simply copies the best hip-hop records of the past, drains them of context and hypes stereotypes.

namepeace said:

Not even, namepeace. As usual, more like a silver dollar.

namepeace said:

For all of that, see:

sinisterpentatonic said:

Reppin' Boston!!

Guru came to my neighborhood teen center when I was 16 to talk to us about violence, drugs, gangs, etc. He also did some a cappella freestyle. Such a charismatic, down-to-earth dude. He's so normal considering that he's an international superstar who's worked with everyone from U.S. hip-hop greats to prominent French jazz musicians.

don't forget....

Knowledge
Reigns
Supreme

Over
Nearly
Everyone.

when i was in high school, "by any means necessary" was the hip-hop audio bible.

Jack Of Spades

MikeMatronik said:

Das Efx

lilgish said:

Uhhhhh...no. They more gimmick than substance.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

I was kidding, You must not be a fan of theirs, don't you remember the Real Hip-hop

http://www.videocodezone....p_hop.html


I'm gonna put their vids on YouTube if I can.
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lilgish said:

Hey, I don't know who's kidding and who's serious here sometimes! LOL!

ChristopherTracyParade said:

c'mon , but they were more than a gimmick, Dead Serious is my shit, Skoob was mad nice and biggie use to give him props (I remember a bootleg where skoob was holding his own in a freestyle at the garden with pac, big and kane), plus they were dope on Cube's Check Yo self.

today?

lilgish said:

Gimmick. Plain and simple. After they tried another style...what happened? EXPOSED LOL!

ChristopherTracyParade said:

How where they exposed? Where the Fu Schnickens a gimmick also? I saw those styles as being real hip-hop.

lilgish said:

POOK

WHAT!

POOK AM TRUE POOK SCHNICK!

lilgish said:

Well, one can argue that that was real hip hop for its period, so yes, you are correct.

Real hiphop is artists that are not 1-dimensional, and are capable of bringing out your emotions ie:

Tupac
Nas
DMX (Slippin' still makes me cry)
Jay-Z
Bone Thugs N Harmony
Jin

Militant said:

Uh...Bone and Chin? I don't think so. Chin hasn't had enough under his belt to make ANY list and Bone Thugs, like DasFX ,was a gimmick...and their shit was pretty weak overall.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

Jin is the illest in the game right now, no commercial success but his new album is the most "real" hiphop in years. Check it out, it's called "Jin presents : The Emcee's Propa?Ganda"

Bone were ill, the flow was original and sick. Tha Crossroads, Thug Luv, Notorious Thugs, For The Love Of $, Thuggish Ruggish Bone, 1st of the month, those are all hiphop classcs. Bizzy Bone is the only rapper to ever flow next to Pac, Big, and Eazy and outshine them all. Sick as hell.