abierman said:

Yeah, you're one of "those" people. But I always have to ask this though, because it's such a cliche: what exactly is pretentious about them? Just curious as to why you think so.

minneapolisgenius said:

the long spun guitar-solo that really aren't that great, the lyrics, lots of other stuff...
their pseudo-psychological thing that they think have going on. Gilmour is a pompous asshole and way overrated.....

PLease dont hate me, I like you.....
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abierman said:

Um, a lot of the hugely popular rock bands of the 70's did long ass guitar solos. You may hate them, but I just never get when people call them pretentious. It's just become the "in" thing to say about them if you don't like them, and it doesn't really seem to be based on anything IMO. What would you prefer they sang about? Gilmour may be an asshole, but I wouldn't know as I don't know him personally. Although I don't think he's overrated at all. He is an awesome guitarist. In my opinion of course.

Anyway, I don't hate you. I just never understood the "pretentious" tag they seem to always get by non-fans.

minneapolisgenius said:

To me, something's really only pretentious if you can't pull it off. Pink Floyd succeeded with ease.

andyman91 said:

okay okay, I just can't stand them.....

abierman said:

No, you're wrong. You think they're brilliant!

I'll join the Pink Floyd hate parade!

Moonbeam said:

they suck!!!!

abierman said:

andyman91 said:

Yes abierman....you think they're brilliant and you love them.

And you too Moonbeam....you love them too.....


and while you're at it, give me all your money too....

minneapolisgenius said:

only when we date.....

abierman said:

abierman said:

Hey it's working!

andyman91 said:

It always does.

Cheek said:

minneapolisgenius said:

I love Led Zep too, but they were probably the MOST derivative band of their day... so I don't quite get your problem with Oasis...

abierman said:

But the genius in Pink Floyd is called Roger Waters... and if he's not a genius then NO ONE qualifies for that title... do some listening/research... it'll do you no harm...

By the way... their reunion at Live 8 actually made me cry... I'm 31 years old! It was brilliant...

MartyMcFly said:

Zeppelin were blues derivative, especially in their very early days, just like countless other rock bands in the 60s. But they ended up setting the mold for not just heavy rock, but for blending beautiful folk-inspired acoustics with the riff-heavy sound they are known for. Take songs like Ten Years Gone, In the Light, Stairway, What is and What Should Never Be, Over the Hills and Far Away, The Ocean, Four Sticks, Going To California, That's the Way, Out On the Tiles, Celebration Day, No Quarter, The Song Remains the Same, etc. They are all truly original, and very much the signature Zeppelin sound. What rock bands can you name that came before them that put out music just like this?

As far as Oasis is concerned, I never liked them from day one. Just not my thing.

But just for you, I'll post this pic of Jimmy and Noel Gallagher.


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MartyMcFly said:

Zeppelin was definitely derivative in a way, but their sound was completely original and influential. It's not like they actually sounded like Robert Johnson, despite possibly stealing some of his material. Oasis actually sounds & looks like the Beatles. That's why I don't see them as original or influential. They might have written decent songs, but they didn't really start anything new.

But on a list of the greatest blues artists, Zeppelin wouldn't be above Robert Johnson, just like Oasis shouldn't be above the Beatles on a rock list.

This chart is shit.
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minneapolisgenius said:[quote]

MartyMcFly said:

I probably wouldn't dislike Oasis so much if it was just Noel and no Liam.

and why wasn't siouxise and the banshees on that list?..i dont agree one the number one..the stone roses are boring.