Michael is finished musically. The older fans should know this. Some of the threads are getting to be too much even for me.
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lilgish said:

Which threads vare you referring to?

lilgish said:

Really? Then why is it if he is "finished" he has an active fan community salvating at the thought of a new album, or a charity single? Come on! Even P's Katrina single didn't get the media attention, Michael's did. (And P's will probably turn out to be better) But the point is.. If you seriously think Michael's career is finished, you are out of your mind!

Now I'm not saying Michael will be back to his Thriller days, but I think he totally has great albums and so do tons of other people.

Yeah Invincible was kind of lame-o, but if we considered every artist who released one or even a few lame-o albums, A certain purple one would have been finished by 1999.
[Edited 1/23/06 18:51pm]

JasonStar said:

JasonStar said:

MJ has to worry about getting his head together before worrying about his career....

JasonStar said:

Elvis has an active fan community and he's dead



The fans say Michael and Angelina Jolie would make a good couple. The fans can dream up all types a shit, doesn't mean it's gonna happen.



Who cares about attention, Michael has yet to release anything. Raymone Bain is probably the only guest star on that damn single.




This is not about Prince, he can make all the shitty Corazon tracks he wants, the man is a LIVE act and he still has it. Can Michael sing live anymore? Can he tour? Let's say that he can't, How many studio albums are we getting? Who's gonna distribute the album when it comes out?

I'm not calling his ability to have a career into question, but his ability to make and perform great music again.



well, partly ofcourse, but so what, the man is not doing anything musically. MJ had all of 2002 to self promote Invincible, instead he was throwing rallies and doing documantaries. He's not creating music, at what point is music gonna be the main focus of the fan base instead of idol worship?

lilgish said:[quote]

JasonStar said:

How he is he supposed to promote an album that the label dropped from it's albums to promote like only a few months after its release?

For the record, it isn't just like Michael just sits around and doesn't do anything.

Item: An Invincible Tour was planned

Item 2: Tons of singles with awesome music videos were planned, including a music video of "Unbreakable" with Mel Gibson's involvement.

Neither of these happened because of Michael's beef with sony. As far as your other question about distribution, Sony is distrbuting "Visionary" which has been called "Michael's Last Greatest Hits Compilation." As for the charity single, 2 Seas Records will be releasing it - as far I've read. But it might end up being Sony.

Michael won't have a problem finding a label..don't kid yourself

As much as I detest the Beatles, MJ buying their catalogue from under Paul's nose is shady.

I love Michael's music and consider him a legend of unimaginable proportions. I do think he has some serious issues, however.

lilgish said:

I think its only right for people to like or "worship" whoever and whatever they want to. I'm waiting for the music and don't mind admiring the man behind the music and his previous work. And all that popularity shit actually annoys me. There are probably people posting on mjno right now that don't give a damn about Michael's music, they only love the man...so what? Call them a crazy mofo if you want to, its all about preference...

JasonStar said:

Michael Jackson can promote his own damn album, it's called self-promotion, Prince had a fucking hot line, do something, what did he do to promote that album.



He could haved toured or done more than two concerts.



So Michael needs money from Sony to make expensive videos and put on massive worlds tours, all for a shitty album.



Visionary



Did I say he would have a problem, LA reid woulda had him signed already, the point is, is he gonna make and perform great music again? Why I'm I not hearing this from the fans?
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Moonbeam said:

He bought it under the nose of Charles Koppelman, Paul was never close to sniffing the catalog.

lilgish said:

Michael will tour again when he needs some $...maybe not this year...maybe not in the next 5 years..but I bet it will be a europe tour only, I bet he will skip America as he did with HIStory. I'd include the Dangerous tour, however he did have a 94 Dangerous US tour planned - so it isn't like he skipped it that time around.

I'd love to see Michael live..maybe one day..in the mean time..Prince will do.
Plus, I bet P is better live anyways. Just listen to "Vicki Waiting" live..and you will believe it. I do

Michael's last awesome tour was the Bad tour. Dangerous was alright. HIStory was mehhhh. Too much panta-mime singing for my taste. But the outfits and dancing were TIGHT in his defense.

MichaelsLight said:

and that's why you lurk over here, cause the dialogue is real and people won't think you're crazy if you say invincible sucked or that Michael fucked up. I feel comfortable expressing my feelings here, that's why I don't frequent those boards much, but as member of this board I to curtail the Michael threads.


This exact essay, which has some decent points was already posted on another thread, by a numerously banned oger who's had several aliases, bless his heart.

You would think it was 1984 with all this Michael talk.

JasonStar said:

I think Dangerous was a better tour, even though vocally he was sharper, the production was better.



Prince and Michael's music are spritually different and I get different reactions from both, even though some similarities exist. I perfer Michael though.



I like the 30th anniversary show better than what I've seen from History.

Let's face it we're dealing with Michael Jackson and everything other than his music will sadly Always dominate topics concernng him whether they're good or bad, its up to us to decide to participate or not.

I participate...

lilgish said:

Diddy said:

agree or not? what has he done besides 1 or 2 great songs in the last 9, going on 10 years? Enough with the catalogue, Roger Friedman type nonesense.

Not his song, but hey, let's just throw it out there...

One More Chance, your thoughts???

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Ironic, when you consider how HEAVILY they "borrowed" from the "black music" of their times...

It´s true that he has been quiet for the past years, but I wouldn´t say he´s finished. Would you say Sade is finished? She´s as slow releasing albums as Mike. I think his "break" now has a lot to do with him having kids, with the recent allegations and all the rest. Besides it´s the real break he´s had since he was 5. Let him have it. Up to History, he was doing his thing fully. With Invincible, problems and kids arrived. I think Mike might have gotten sick with the music business, plus he may feel he´s getting older and is not as good as he used to and with his perfectionism, that could be a big problem. He might be taking his time thinking whether he wants to continue or not, BUT I believe he will. Music, dance, his work - it´s inside of him and I think he´d get crazy not being able to work again. Watching the last interview - with Geraldo - I still see enthusiasm in him to do things. Let´s give him some time. Bad took him also ages and he didn´t have kids and all the stupid problems to take his time. Maybe he feels that he needs to deliver something TRULY BIG to come back not to dissapoint the audience and he doesn´t think things are PERFECT yet. Plus he has some pride. I don´t think he´d want his career to end up with allegations. I believe he will come back at least once - even if it would be for the last time. But if he decides to stay in Bahrain living happy pieceful life with his kids, as long as he´s happy, I am fine.

My biggest hope for Michael is that he ends up HAPPY!



If the man decides never to release another album, that is fine, I just hope and want to see him smiling and being as happy as he possibly can be! He deserves to be happy. Even if you are a MJ hater, you have to realize at least that he does make his fans VERY happy. I identified with Michael and his music helped me through my teenage years and his music still is a big part of my life - therefore he is. It is his voice, his music, his everything that is the soundtrack to my life. It is like saying, "the songs you hear in a movie aren't part of a movie, all though, they are on the soundtrack." There is a disconnect. The point is..Michael makes me happy and I want him to be as happy as he can be, with his family and friends.

And as far as the music goes..The Ultimate Collection had some bangin' b-sides and demos. If Michael/Sony/whoever owns them these days wants to make $ (and Michael decides to call music quits) you know more of those b-sides/demos will see the light of day..somehow.
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If there is one thing I wish Sony would repackage... is a separate compilation of rarities/demos/b-sides.

I have all his other shit, yanno?

CinisterCee said:

Exactly, it is like the CEO of Sony is having a game in the NY office with his workers, "How many different ways can I rearrange 7 of Thriller's 9 songs?"

And if you take The Ultimate Collection..one disc equals "unreleased" while the other 3 is the..same old/same old. So I totally feel ya!

And while we are bitching..can we get the Bad tour on DVD?

I'd like a DVD of the MJ videos that haven't been compiled yet... ie. "She's Out Of My Life", "Human Nature", "Say Say Say"

lilgish said:

I respect you and now that you dont have faith in MJ anymore just made me feel sad abit, just thinking if MJ never came back to the music scene made me tear abit.

What about they dont care about us, you are not alone, history, scream? Also Stranger in moscow and Earth song? you seriously dont think there good enough? Who can create stranger in moscow and earth song? to me these songs are on genius level and no im not the one who just praises everything

Now if were talking about invincible yeah it was a huge let down for me.
Very shit album, the good songs - you rock my world and butterflies. Also i still believe he can create a great song - Whatever happens show that.

The rest arent even worth mentioning. Okay break of dawn and heaven can wait are decent to listen to, but nothing special. If this album was from another artist it would of been alright but we all know what MJ is capable of. I dont wanna hear 2000 watts, privacy or the generic sounds and boring ballads again. Actually 2000 watts is one of the most crappiest song ive ever heard.

Right now im just wondering what MJ's next move is gonna be, can he make a killer song again?

And also Michael Jackson will never let the trial end his legacy....

Diddy said:

It's not that I don't have faith in MJ, the man is on another level. The songs on History are great, but that was 10 years ago and those songs deserved better treatment (I realize sony didn't promote those tracks in the U.S) and should have been sung live, even the parts that were sung live....the earth song stage performance takes away from the song to me.


It's just the number of MJ threads on here coupled with his lack of production is getting annoying, especially when this or something like it was posted 2 weeks ago. The Bad Dvd the fans petitioned for, where is it? Maybe the charity single and everything will come out next week and we will have real news to talk about, but I have doubts if MJ can make great music again.

dag said:

I said on this forum after the trial he didn't have to do anything and I still mean it. I'm not happy with living Bahrain though.

CinisterCee said:

And One More Chance *coughcough*

JasonStar said:

I could not have said it better myself.

dag said:

I'd rather he dis-associate himself from the term 'Pop' full stop. He may not have coined that phrase (liz Taylor did) but he certainly ran with it.

Dileo was fired in'89. Michael DID plant stories in the enquirer, Thriller was already out 4 yrs prior to 'BAD', Michael was out of the limelight for some time, He'd done Victory, USA For Africa, and made Captain Eo but not much else. Michael came up with these silly fake ideas himself and Frank released them to the press.

He should have just comeback with his talent. That's all we required. The Bad Tour was truly great. I just didn't like the bullshit that came with it and has stayed ever since. Michael should just concentrate on his music and performing live from now on in. That, or just have the courage to announce his retirement.

I'm mad at Michael for running away, what the fuck is he doing?
[Edited 1/24/06 10:04am]

Marrk said:

Bravo...