Moonbeam said:

yes both her and madonna have basically no talent as musicians
but slept thier way to the top!!

they just use thier rubber stamp on other ppls work

ehuffnsd said:

She might have caused riots when she went to Japan. However, her numbers there don't indicate she invoked any riots to the record store on her behalf.

Moonbeam said:

Ok, were did I say anything Mariah has done was cutting edge? I'm not here to fag hag over which diva is the bestest in the whole wide world. However, some of the Madonna is the Creator of the Universe posts are getting to be beyond grating. I'm ready for both Madonna and Mariah to go on extended vacations.

"Hung Up" is Number 7 for the second week on the Billboard Top 100 singles chart.The video is back at the Number One position on MTV's TRL,after two days at Number Two.

so whats the total number madonna has sold of COAD in the usa so far?

hellomoto said:

560,672 copies so far


this means that it is already gold in the US.



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asg said:

This comment seems to indicate an intentional lack of knowledge or willful denial about Madonna's body of work.

FunkyBrotha said:

Get your facts straight.Madonna is popular all over the world! 'COADF' debuted at Number One in 25 countries and it is already certified platinum in several of those countries.She could tour anywhere in the world,and it would be a sellout.And btw,that 4 million figure didn't come from some "fanatic on a Madonna fansite",it came directly from Warner Bros' Portugal.

DavidEye said:

wow that is great! and especally because she hasnt done any promotion over there, imagine the numbers when she does go over there and promote

DavidEye said:

im not sure how correct this information is but someone on the madonnamad forum (where i basically get all my info from) said that 4 million was the amount it had shipped not sold, and they were someone who is usually in the know.

madonna is far bigger worldwide then mariah and im sure coad is going to sell more than mimi, i think over the 10 million mark, and i hope madonna has as big a year next year as mariah had this year.

roundables said:

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roundables said:

I'd like to see Mariah try and get a dance song played on mainstream radio. She wouldn't dare knowing the current market climate. Or how about make an album without featuring some shitty rapper, those were the days.

The fact she rereleased her album with DFAU to capitolize on the success of WBT is just lame. She may get another #1 and sell a good chunk more units, but it shows how she's more concerned with sales and #1 positions.

hellomoto said:

the Madonnamad forums are alot of fun.I post there regularly.But there are alot of people there who always claim to be "in the know",lol.Drownedmadonna is a VERY reliable site,and last week they posted the following news item:

Warner Portugal just submitted these official numbers:

Confessions On A Dancefloor debuted at Number One in 25 countries and sold 3,600,000 in it's first week.In Portugal it is already certified gold with more than 20,000 albums sold

Those are the first-week sales for outside America.

FunkyBrotha said:

Madonna isn't popular in Japan and the emerging markets? Then how do you explain her album debuting at Number One in all of these countries?

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Chile
Denmark
Faroe Islands
France
Germany
Greece
Holland
Italy
Japan
Mexico
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Serbia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Turkey
USA
UK

In addition,Russian Warner has announced that 'COADF' is the best selling international album in Russia and Ukraine.

DavidEye said:

oh ok, wow that is very impressive then, is that any kind of world record? ive never heard of sales like that in the first week

hellomoto said:

I have no idea if these sales figures are breaking any records,but it is mighty impressive.Madonna is 47 years old and she's been in the business for over 20 years.The fact that she is still topping charts around the world is amazing.She's supposed to be "over" by now,lol.



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Madonna's HU went to #1 in Canada this week making it her 20th #1 in Canada.

i must apologise, of course SuperHuman Madonna with the most cutting edge album of all time wins. Half of the bloody album is the producers work, Madonna simply inputs her "vision" of what it should sound like. Their is nothing cutting edge about it and although dance music might not be big in the US, clearly she made this album to boost sales after the tragedy of "American Life".

The album is based on disco music, which, in case you didnt notice went out of fashion in the 70s, and she samples Michael Jackson and Abba on the two decent songs the album produced.

The alleged 3million number did not break any records but is a pretty good number if true. Michael Jackson sold more with both Dangerous (4 million SOLD, 6 million shipped) and Invincible (3million sold) in the first week. I dont think this Madonna record will stay around for long though, there just isnt enough good songs on it (single worthy). It doesnt have a killer track on it thats gonna push the album a la Kylie's "Fever" album. However, with the lack of any other decent music around at the moment it should sell Invincible type numbers in the long run. Im saying 8-9million.

FunkyBrotha said:

Oh,give me a break


Nobody said Madonna's album is "cutting edge".And it doesn't have to be.It's simply a fun dance album....nothing heavy,nothing that's gonna change the world.I don't know why people always expect her to re-invent the wheel everytime she releases new music.Nothing in pop music these days is innovative or groundbreaking,anyway.And just so you know,disco music never really died.It's just now referred to as "dance music".Same thing,different label.


and why are you bringing up Michael Jackson? He doesn't have a new CD out,and probably won't for many years.He's irrelevent to this discussion.Who cares how much he sold in the past? He has bigger issues to deal with these days.

DavidEye said:

michael may have sold 4 million in the first week but people have to realise its not 2001 anymore, sales have plummeted since then, records arent selling as much as they used to, so the fact that madonna sold that many is as good as (probably even better) an achievement then michael selling that much in 2001

FunkyBrotha said:

The album already has one big hit,"Hung Up",which remains at Number 7 in America and is Number One in many other places.The album is already a hit.Who can say what a "killer track" is,anyway? I think "Sorry" and "Jump" will become huge hits.

im not denying that lots of people may enjoy this album and that madonna is a great artist. Im just pissed off that people claim madonna is this musical god/genius whereas people like Mariah Carey are talentless ho's.

If there is nothing cutting edge about Madonna's new album then its not better or worse than Mariah's new album. But to say Madonna is better than Mariah is just ridiculous.

To be honest its scandalous, i think madonna has actually ignored practically everything it takes to write a good pop tune, in fact, COAD contains some of the worst lyrics i have ever heard, "i love new york, i love new york bla bla bla"

Mimi might be a ridiculous statement to make as a whole, but when Mariah uses past styles to influence her music at least she harks back to the styles used at the time in her song writing.

FunkyBrotha said:

but thing i dont like about mariah is that she recycles the same two songs over and over again, madonna does something different every time.

FunkyBrotha said:

Who's calling Mariah a talentless ho? For your information,I am a Mariah fan too.I don't see why we have to pit one artist against the other.They both are amazing,in their own way.These silly comparison games are childish and silly.There is plenty of room for more than one diva in pop music,lol.

hellomoto said:

I like Mariah alot,but I have to agree with this statement.Many of her albums are interchangeable.....same formula every time.Even her videos all look the same,and her new song "Don't Forget About Us" is basically just "We Belong Together Part 2".She doesn't take as many risks as Madonna does.

DavidEye said:

Both mariah and madonna r useless over sexed sluts who use thier body to sell thier records. They have very little to do with what they output!!

Let me give u an analogy:

When u go to a tailor and tell him what u want and he makes and design the whole outfit and you go back and put ur famous nametag on the clothing and sell it as yours!! I think this is totally wrong!!
They have nothing to do with the making or designing of this peice of clothing why they want to take credit for it.

asg said:

here we go again


Both Mariah and Madonna write the majority of their own lyrics.They also compose melodies.Contrary to what you may think,songwriting is a part of the whole music-making process.

They are both in total control of what their music sounds like.Producers don't tell them what to do,how to sing,or what their lyrics should be about.Do not confuse them with "Prince puppets" like Vanity or Apollonia.

jayaredee said:

Just stop why would Mariah Carey ever do dance music. That's not a genre of music she's ever expressed any interest in. You act like people doing songs with ODB in 1996 was the thing to do. You act like that woman didn't see a steady decline in sales making more R&B music. If she cared about sales why didn't she continue making albums like Music Box? Why did she switch from adult contemporary music that was selling on huge level to playing w/ R&B music. I know that such a tagline for Madonna fans, but it has too many holes in it.

Is Madonna just releasing dance music because she knows it's huge in Europe? She's so concerned w/ her status and sales there that's the type of music she does. I'm thinking she does dance music because that's what she likes. And, the same goes for Mariah. That whole argument is so tired and obviously not true.

asg said:

Doesn't sound totally wrong to me.
The tailor got paid by the star so he is happy.
The fans get to buy something with a stars name on it so they are happy.
The star is happy because the star factory is making money.
Everybodys happy except for you.

roundables said:

Mariah has expressed interest in dance music, and she still does. She's done club remixes of her songs and re-recorded her singles for club play. (If you don't remember this, then pick up her remixes album and play the first CD.) A lot of artists' "dance" mixes are basically their original pop vocal tracks redone over a club beat, but Mariah doesn't do this. She has always done new vocals and different arrangements on her dance mixes. (Just ask David Morales and Junior Vasquez.) Her first preference is for the R&B and hip hop market, but she has done her fair share of dance remixes.