Did it for my hnd in media (yeah i know media is a "easy" degree, but its the only thing iam that interested in)


I talked about the long forgotten (thank god) Thriller ripoff "1814" mini movie. I love it really. Better then thriller thanx to the obvious cliche's to film noir etc....all shot in black and white of course.



Anyway, i had to talk about why the sound was interesting (using geek terminoledgy like diagetic etc...), the clip i chose was the scenes between the song "miss you much " and "the knowledge", where bj gets killed and janets watching some blakc and white cartoons with her dancing posse.


Very interesting sound wise.....i thought it was a good, original choice for my class. Anyone seen the mini movie?


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bought it on VHS for $1. I enjoy it!

"I really need to talk to you guys..."

I think "The Knowledge" is my favorite RN cut, so it's a treat that it was featured in the film.

umm...um....


i love world clique...

CinisterCee said:

See the bit inbetween the 2, its very overblown and overly melodramatic. Perfect to talk about then


Yeah janet smashes stuff up in "the knowledge". Thats proberly my fav off that album. I need to hear it again. Janet did the whole "Lets smash glass" thing a year or 2 before Michael.

sosgemini said:

Huh?

Did you discuss her baby or your insane love for 2300 Jackson Street?

thesexofit said:

dee-lite "thank you everyday"




aint that a b*tch..i always thought they were making fun of janet with the highlighted verse.. i thought they were saying "i dont need a rhythm...every nation rhythm...

lilgish said:

No, the folks in my class never even heard of the album it the movie came from. Whilst most people chose obvious shit like tarintino, citizen kane (geek) and gladiator, i chose one that had very little actual dialogue, and mainly consists of cliche as fuck, hard sound effects like failing rain, thunder, footsteps and "the gunshot". It inspired sin city


"nooooo" (bang bang bj is dead)

sosgemini said:

did u do a presentation of it at work? I bet u wouldn't have the guts.....

thesexofit said:

such a small world you live in, ehh?

I'd love to see your presentation on this, describing the details in an academic way.

sosgemini said:

Yep.


Bytheway, iam so bored at the mo, iam copying and pasting cartoon pics of tom and jerry. Hope u liked the pic

CinisterCee said:

Yeah,h, i could not beleive my lecturer said "very good". And also "what the hell is this?"

thesexofit said:

haha in what context was that comment?

CinisterCee said:

A good, lighthearted one. She liked it. I explained the differences with the diegetic and non diegetic (spelling? ) sound, and the lack of it. Also the contrast between the sounds of janet and dancers watching the cartoons, and the scene with the 2 boys shining shoes....etc...

thesexofit said:

what's that term mean in relation to the scene (i'm thoroughly familiar with that segment)?

CinisterCee said:

oh, basically diegetic music is what the characters on the screen can actually hear. So the music video sequence of "Miss u much" is obviously diegetic as the dancers and janet hear the music and respond to it. (though infact, the music track is added again in editing but lets not get too technical)

Non diegetic is music that only we, the audience can hear. So any added music (like film score music) is music the characters cannot hear on screen but we the audience can.


Infact, the segment of the 2 boys outside in the rain i chose, had barely any non diegetic music but relied on sound effects that had been amplified by about 100 above the normal rate in movies. Funny thing is, the scene with the 2 boys outside has virtually no dialogue either....

When non diegetic and diegetic music is not used in a normal film scene, usually dialogue takes over, but that scene with the shoe-shiners is not the case. Instead, as I said, it relies almost solely for a while on sound effects. So interesting sound for a movie, or infact "mini movie"

thesexofit said:

hehe nice description!

We have heard non-diegetic music used as humor.. like in Coming To America when the audience thinks the Soul Glo music is non-diegetic as Eriq La Salle's jheri curl character rolls up in his car but then it turns out he is actually listening to the jingle ????? in his car (making it diegetic)

thesexofit said:

next time it better be a movie with Jean Arthur or Lillian Gish.

CinisterCee said:

I need to see that film again, and i remember the eriq le salle character, but not the scene? Anyway, that example is right even if i cant remember it. Top stuff....see how easy my course is

lilgish said:

u seen Double Indemnity?
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thesexofit said:

ofcourse Billy Wilder But that's Barbara Stanwyck and Tv star Fred McMurray ,plus my fellow alum Edward G Robinson

Moonbeam said:

U shoulda seen the faces on my class, as i deliberately told them i was doing a presentation on a porn film beforehand. I think that would of been less shocking to them. They were quite surprised.


Yeah lilgish, Double Indemnity is a good film. Its quite funny too.

thesexofit said:

How is this a Thriller rip-off other than it also happens to be a mini-movie? Please explain your logic.

VoicesCarry said:

the fact it was a mini movie. The content doesn't rip off thriller.

thesexofit said:

So every movie ever made has clearly been a rip-off of that first one from 1893? Are you getting 3% in media studies?

VoicesCarry said:

No, i mean it was the second "mini movie" music video, like jacko's. And the homevideo with the documentary included, smacks of thrillers promotional home video.

Come on voices, dont be naive. Janet knew how popular that "long form music homevideo" idea was, and nicked it for herself. Not many have tried. Hammer tried, puff daddy tried, but not many.

Comr

thesexofit said:

No, it wasn't. "Thriller" wasn't even the first long-form music home video. Not by a long shot. I think you need to be schooled in the media
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VoicesCarry said:

Voices, please, ur making this more complicated then it is. "thriller", as far as i know, was the first major homevideo release of a music video. Creating giant revenues etc.... it was another marketing tool. Janet did the same.