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Reply #90 posted 10/13/05 10:57pm

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I think the most frightening thing about this article is the type of response it's garnered. I mean I understand people being upset with what she said, but calling her a "cunt", saying "Mark David Chapman should have shot her instead of Lennon" or "She'll be dead soon", is just ridiculous. That's more disturbing than Yoko's opinion on McCartney. I'm sure McCartney doesn't even care that deeply.
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Reply #91 posted 10/13/05 11:17pm

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I expect this from her.. whenever he releases something and its getting good reviews/ or whatever.. she is always out saying or doing something..


I think the most interesting concept out of this is.. is how much McCartney bothers her.. its pretty obvious she gets by with controversy, and loves to stir up the pot.. but I think it urks her when the person she is trying to "bother" isnt being bothered by it...at all.. and I think paul is to the point to not caring.. there is a sort of satisfaction in him lately.. and thats a good thing... the bitterness thats in yoko still resides..

and for John, of course we all know John wouldnt accept such childish behavior.. he was a bigger person, its just a shame the person thats supposed to know him the best cant see that..

She missed the point of The Beatles.. they were a unified band that seperates them from the rest.. they made history with their collaboritve effort.. and to pick and choose "who did what" and "Who is better" out of the four is totally irrelevant when regarding to the band as a whole.. besides.. who is she to decide on pauls artistic merits.. she gives off the impression of being there their entire career... her foot was in towards the end.. when their string was unwinding..

having said that, she wouldnt accurately look at mccartneys work the way it should be anyway.. she is gonna have her angle cause she was married to john, she wont see past that.. She will always be there to (Sadly commercialize Lennons stuff) and try to prove his artistic stance in history.. as if its needed..
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Reply #92 posted 10/14/05 6:56am

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

I think the most frightening thing about this article is the type of response it's garnered. I mean I understand people being upset with what she said, but calling her a "cunt", saying "Mark David Chapman should have shot her instead of Lennon" or "She'll be dead soon", is just ridiculous. That's more disturbing than Yoko's opinion on McCartney. I'm sure McCartney doesn't even care that deeply.



shrug she reaps what she sows.
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Reply #93 posted 10/14/05 7:51am

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

I'm sure McCartney doesn't even care that deeply.



I'm afraid he does... he's always going on in interviews about how he was the "intellectual"/"arty" one in the Beatles, contrary to public opinion... I like him, but sometimes I think that he, too, should let it go already...
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Reply #94 posted 10/14/05 9:01am

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what commercialization has she done?


jealous guy vs maybe I'm amazed

Sdldawn said:

I expect this from her.. whenever he releases something and its getting good reviews/ or whatever.. she is always out saying or doing something..


I think the most interesting concept out of this is.. is how much McCartney bothers her.. its pretty obvious she gets by with controversy, and loves to stir up the pot.. but I think it urks her when the person she is trying to "bother" isnt being bothered by it...at all.. and I think paul is to the point to not caring.. there is a sort of satisfaction in him lately.. and thats a good thing... the bitterness thats in yoko still resides..

and for John, of course we all know John wouldnt accept such childish behavior.. he was a bigger person, its just a shame the person thats supposed to know him the best cant see that..

She missed the point of The Beatles.. they were a unified band that seperates them from the rest.. they made history with their collaboritve effort.. and to pick and choose "who did what" and "Who is better" out of the four is totally irrelevant when regarding to the band as a whole.. besides.. who is she to decide on pauls artistic merits.. she gives off the impression of being there their entire career... her foot was in towards the end.. when their string was unwinding..

having said that, she wouldnt accurately look at mccartneys work the way it should be anyway.. she is gonna have her angle cause she was married to john, she wont see past that.. She will always be there to (Sadly commercialize Lennons stuff) and try to prove his artistic stance in history.. as if its needed..
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Reply #95 posted 10/14/05 10:26am

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Sdldawn said:

I expect this from her.. whenever he releases something and its getting good reviews/ or whatever.. she is always out saying or doing something..


I think the most interesting concept out of this is.. is how much McCartney bothers her.. its pretty obvious she gets by with controversy, and loves to stir up the pot.. but I think it urks her when the person she is trying to "bother" isnt being bothered by it...at all.. and I think paul is to the point to not caring.. there is a sort of satisfaction in him lately.. and thats a good thing... the bitterness thats in yoko still resides..

and for John, of course we all know John wouldnt accept such childish behavior.. he was a bigger person, its just a shame the person thats supposed to know him the best cant see that..

She missed the point of The Beatles.. they were a unified band that seperates them from the rest.. they made history with their collaboritve effort.. and to pick and choose "who did what" and "Who is better" out of the four is totally irrelevant when regarding to the band as a whole.. besides.. who is she to decide on pauls artistic merits.. she gives off the impression of being there their entire career... her foot was in towards the end.. when their string was unwinding..

having said that, she wouldnt accurately look at mccartneys work the way it should be anyway.. she is gonna have her angle cause she was married to john, she wont see past that.. She will always be there to (Sadly commercialize Lennons stuff) and try to prove his artistic stance in history.. as if its needed..
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Reply #96 posted 10/14/05 10:30am

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ufoclub said:



jealous guy vs maybe I'm amazed



How about:

Imagine vs Let 'Em In

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Reply #97 posted 10/14/05 10:53am

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How about: Live and Let Die vs Oh Yoko?

DiminutiveRocker said:

ufoclub said:



jealous guy vs maybe I'm amazed



How about:

Imagine vs Let 'Em In

hrmph
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Reply #98 posted 10/14/05 10:57am

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At least she never accused Paul of writing Muzak.

But she should just stay out of it. She wasn't a Beatle, but she acts like she was.
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Reply #99 posted 10/14/05 11:09am

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Yoko is picking on Paul McCartneys lyrics??!!!? Bawhawhawhawawawwawww!!!! Just take a listen to Yoko Ono's "Plastic Ono Band"..

THE SOUND YOU ASK????

Imagine having a tooth drilled without novocaine. Then add the sound of a massive auto wreck in which the brake shoes of all of the cars were worn to the point where bare metal was scraping against bare metal. Then imagine putting Tabasco sauce in your eyes and grating your knee with a cheese grater.

lol
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Reply #100 posted 10/14/05 11:47am

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realm said:

Yoko is picking on Paul McCartneys lyrics??!!!? Bawhawhawhawawawwawww!!!! Just take a listen to Yoko Ono's "Plastic Ono Band"..

THE SOUND YOU ASK????

Imagine having a tooth drilled without novocaine. Then add the sound of a massive auto wreck in which the brake shoes of all of the cars were worn to the point where bare metal was scraping against bare metal. Then imagine putting Tabasco sauce in your eyes and grating your knee with a cheese grater.

lol


Supposedly John was inspired to come back in 1979 when he heard Rock Lobster, and he figured the public was finally ready for Yoko. But Rock Lobster had a good song behind the strange noises.

Don't Worry Kyoko--"EEEEE!!!!!"
Baby Please Don't Go--"You know I love you baby please don't go." "EEEEE!!!!!"

I'm not the type to normally trash her, but what was that noise?
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Reply #101 posted 10/14/05 11:54am

RipHer2Shreds

andyman91 said:

realm said:

Yoko is picking on Paul McCartneys lyrics??!!!? Bawhawhawhawawawwawww!!!! Just take a listen to Yoko Ono's "Plastic Ono Band"..

THE SOUND YOU ASK????

Imagine having a tooth drilled without novocaine. Then add the sound of a massive auto wreck in which the brake shoes of all of the cars were worn to the point where bare metal was scraping against bare metal. Then imagine putting Tabasco sauce in your eyes and grating your knee with a cheese grater.

lol


Supposedly John was inspired to come back in 1979 when he heard Rock Lobster, and he figured the public was finally ready for Yoko. But Rock Lobster had a good song behind the strange noises.

Don't Worry Kyoko--"EEEEE!!!!!"
Baby Please Don't Go--"You know I love you baby please don't go." "EEEEE!!!!!"

I'm not the type to normally trash her, but what was that noise?

falloff Shut up! That can't be true. lol
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Reply #102 posted 10/14/05 12:32pm

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She should get blasted for that fucking outfit omfg MY EYES! MY EYESSSSS!!!! shake
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Reply #103 posted 10/14/05 12:56pm

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'I'll tell you a story about John,' she told the audience. 'He often used to wake up in the middle of the night and ask me, "Why do people cover Paul's songs so much, but never mine?"

'I used to tell him, YEEEYEEEEEYYEEEYEEEEE!!!"It's because you are a talented songwriter. You don't just rhyme June with spoon. You just rhyme YEEEYYEEEYEEEYEEEEE!!! with YEEEYYEEEEYYEEYEEEEE!!!. And you are a very good singer - lots of people would be too afraid to cover one of your songs!!!!"

'Then I would make him a cup of TTTTEEEYYEEYYEEEEE, and he would be okay. I just miss that sort of moment that we had.'
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Reply #104 posted 10/14/05 2:33pm

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I think both she and John were honest people and when asked about certain issues, would tell it as they saw it, But at this juncture, Yoko's just spuing insulting (and even hurtful) statements for no reason. I've seen McCartney interviewed and when directly asked about Ono and their shakey post-Beatle business dealings, he always refrains from saying anything personal about her, but you can tell he's been to battle.
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I love John Lennon, but I don't agree that he and Yoko were essentially "honest people". They were honest when it served their purposes, which I don't think is a wholly accurate indicator of an 'honest person'.

I do agree with you though about Paul McCartney being much more classy and tactful regarding Yoko, than Yoko is regarding him. Yoko should've practiced such diplomacy and tact when relating this particular story about John -- all she did was stir the pot more when it was NOT necessary.

Maybe she's just pissed that her musical "Lennon" flopped so badly and wanted to let off some pentup frustrations and hostility, and she's also wanting to drum up a bit of publicity and hype for her new book (about John) that's coming out (or maybe it already did, I'm not sure).
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Reply #105 posted 10/14/05 2:39pm

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Tessa said:

she's clearly putting down Paul's songwriting ability to support John. if she's doing that in bed to comfort her husband, fine. great. she should. but she shouldn't be brining it up at a public event 25 years later. it's tacky. and it's just one more thing on a long list of the awful shit she's said about and done to Paul. it's a blast. it was intentional. she knew what she was doing.



EXACTLY.

what she said to John to comfort him and soothe his confidence in his talent - in the privacy of their own bed and home, between a man and a wife - was right. she WAS RIGHT to be there for her husband and help build him up when he's feeling insecure. but damn, keep it to yourself Yoko, especially when you KNOW what the situation is between yourself and Paul and all the tension that already exists.

'tacky' is the exact perfect word to describe what Yoko did by relating this anecdote to the press.
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Reply #106 posted 10/14/05 4:12pm

Sdldawn

ufoclub said:

what commercialization has she done?


jealous guy vs maybe I'm amazed



I meant that Yoko commercializes him since he has been gone.. "Imagine" wall paper.. coffee mugs.. selling of his hand written lyrics.. the countless compilations.. milkin him to the core..

dont get me wrong, I love lennon stuff and new things about his work.. but there comes to a point where you starting see'in different motives behind her actions....


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Reply #107 posted 10/16/05 4:48pm

BinaryJustin

Ooh! Paul's commented on it...

http://www.contactmusic.c...s%20attack

McCARTNEY APOLOGIES FOR ONO'S ATTACK

SIR PAUL McCARTNEY has apologised on behalf of YOKO ONO for her embarrassing on him at the Q Awards - insisting the Japanese artist is "not the brightest of buttons".

Ono took a swipe at McCartney when she took to the stage at the London ceremony last week (10OCT05) to collect a special award on behalf of her late husband JOHN LENNON.

She told the gathering, "John... would say, 'They always cover Paul's songs, they never cover mine.' I said to him, 'You're a good songwriter, it's not June-with-spoon that you write."

But McCartney, who has repeatedly clashed with Ono since Lennon's death in 1980, is refusing to retaliate.

He says, "She's John's wife so I have to respect her for that, but I don't have to do any further. I don't think she's the brightest of buttons.

"I don't want to get in a bun fight but she's said some particularly daft things in her time.

"Yoko is something else. Her life is dedicated to putting me down, that's what she seems to do all the time.

"But she will notice that I attempt very strongly not to put her down, I have respect for her as my former comrades wife."


...and Yoko's commented on it too!

http://enjoyment.independ...319727.ece

Yoko Ono claims she was misquoted over McCartney outburst

In the famous words of the songwriter about whom she has been made no secret of her feelings, Yoko Ono has evidently decided to 'let it be'.

Three days after declaring the limit of Sir Paul McCartney's musical talent to be his ability to rhyme the word 'spoon' with 'June', John Lennon's widow blamed others for her indiscretion yesterday and claimed her husband's one-time soulmate was not so bad after all.

"I was saying about how humble John was and how human John was and that was all I was saying," Ono declared as she unveiled a sculpture at Coventry Cathedral, which she and Lennon had started to construct in 1968.

Despite the clarity of her original statement, at the Q Awards, Ono claimed to have been misquoted. "It's amusing at best and it's the kind of thing that I've witnessed the press to do many times," she said. "I think Paul's a great songwriter."

Ono's words have gone down like a lead balloon in Liverpool, where many still blame her for permanently removing Lennon from the city.

She recalled how her husband's angst about his talent would lead to him to complain that "they always cover Paul's songs and never mine, and I don't know why". She said she would reply: "You're a good songwriter; it's not June with spoon that you write. You're a good singer, too, and most musicians are probably a little bit nervous about covering your songs."

Her mixed feelings for McCartney were also apparent in an interview with the Liverpool Echo this week in which she said: "Paul was the one who knew how to deal with the world and John was the poet. But when John was doing his individual work, I know he felt that people were not so much into his songs."

Yesterday's ceremony at Coventry did much for Ono's efforts to move things on at a time when Lennon would have been celebrating his 65th birthday. Ono, 72, had arrived in the city to dedicate two Japanese oak trees in celebration of her life and work with Lennon. The gesture was inspired by the couple's 1968 trip to Coventry to submit a piece to a British sculpture exhibition.

Consisting of two acorns planted in white pots in an east-west axis beneath a white wrought-iron bench, the work was subsequently targeted by souvenir hunters who dug up the nuts, leaving the work unfinished.

Primary school children joined the ceremony, reading words from Grow Old With Me, a song written by Lennon expressing his love for Yoko, and Let Me Count the Ways, written by Ono after Lennon was killed.

Ono's words about McCartney have served to revive one of Liverpool's oldest debates. The city seems to have concluded that McCartney deserves more respect, since he was the dominant creative force from the time of Sgt Pepper onwards. Lennon, it has been pointed out, wrote his fair share of sugary songs, too.

Ono limited herself to the subject of harmony, yesterday. "I hope that this ceremony will help the healing process of the world and that these trees standing next to each other will symbolise something that was intrinsic to the work that John and I did," she said. "We both had a desire for harmony, integration and peace."


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Reply #108 posted 10/16/05 4:51pm

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All so boring. The press always want to attack Yoko and they always want to use Paul to do it. I guess the mainstream media don't like one of their darlings dabbling with someone underground. Yawn.
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Reply #109 posted 10/16/05 5:33pm

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Eh. She keeps it interesting enough, doesn't she? For a band whose last album was recorded decades ago...

shrug


I found the Coldplay/Oasis beef a lot more interesting. And I'm with DeepChic -- wait till it all turns gangsta. Y Diddy and such... disbelief
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Reply #110 posted 10/16/05 6:24pm

Sdldawn

"Ono's words about McCartney have served to revive one of Liverpool's oldest debates. The city seems to have concluded that McCartney deserves more respect, since he was the dominant creative force from the time of Sgt Pepper onwards.."


In do time
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Reply #111 posted 10/16/05 7:10pm

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daned said:

All so boring. The press always want to attack Yoko and they always want to use Paul to do it.




mmmm, no. they use her own words/actions to do it.
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Reply #112 posted 10/16/05 7:57pm

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MrsJimmyFallon said:


I love John Lennon, but I don't agree that he and Yoko were essentially "honest people". They were honest when it served their purposes, which I don't think is a wholly accurate indicator of an 'honest person'.

I do agree with you though about Paul McCartney being much more classy and tactful regarding Yoko, than Yoko is regarding him. Yoko should've practiced such diplomacy and tact when relating this particular story about John -- all she did was stir the pot more when it was NOT necessary.

Maybe she's just pissed that her musical "Lennon" flopped so badly and wanted to let off some pentup frustrations and hostility, and she's also wanting to drum up a bit of publicity and hype for her new book (about John) that's coming out (or maybe it already did, I'm not sure).


nod

Have you ever read some of John's final Playboy interview? He was trying to take credit for Paul songs left and right. I've often felt that John was less than forthcoming about some of the credit that Paul deserved. It's sad to see that 35 years after the breakup of the Beatles, Yoko still feels bitter about the whole Paul/John thing. In my head, I feel she almost is the epitome of "the lady doth protest too much"...If she really did have respect for Paul, she'd quit constantly trying to undermine every little thing he does/did.
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Reply #113 posted 10/16/05 8:37pm

Sdldawn

Axchi696 said:

MrsJimmyFallon said:


I love John Lennon, but I don't agree that he and Yoko were essentially "honest people". They were honest when it served their purposes, which I don't think is a wholly accurate indicator of an 'honest person'.

I do agree with you though about Paul McCartney being much more classy and tactful regarding Yoko, than Yoko is regarding him. Yoko should've practiced such diplomacy and tact when relating this particular story about John -- all she did was stir the pot more when it was NOT necessary.

Maybe she's just pissed that her musical "Lennon" flopped so badly and wanted to let off some pentup frustrations and hostility, and she's also wanting to drum up a bit of publicity and hype for her new book (about John) that's coming out (or maybe it already did, I'm not sure).


nod

Have you ever read some of John's final Playboy interview? He was trying to take credit for Paul songs left and right. I've often felt that John was less than forthcoming about some of the credit that Paul deserved. It's sad to see that 35 years after the breakup of the Beatles, Yoko still feels bitter about the whole Paul/John thing. In my head, I feel she almost is the epitome of "the lady doth protest too much"...If she really did have respect for Paul, she'd quit constantly trying to undermine every little thing he does/did.


Its totally off subject, but when the beatles broke up.. I guess you could say he was feeling a little unsure about his standing with the bands history.. It was almost as if he was unaware of how important he was... I think he said and did things like that due to feeling that way.. The Rolling Stone interview for example, was a brilliant little interview.. but he was mostly bitter, and that played a role in why he said certian things..

but i dont hold much against any of them during that period if truth be told.. if John was here now, u'd see the credit would equally be given where due with paul, and also to his work.. the great thing about John is he was evolving constantly.. he never stayed still with any certian mind frame... Its something him and yoko didnt share in common..
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Reply #114 posted 10/17/05 6:16am

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BinaryJustin said:

You've got to admit that she looks pretty damn good for her age. Actually, if she was 50, she'd look prety damn good for her age.

I wonder what she does to stay so young-looking?


Oh HELL no!!! She looked like shit when she was in her youth, and she looks like shit now!!!!
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Reply #115 posted 10/17/05 6:17am

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RipHer2Shreds said:

Tessa said:




no, she's not at all. more like a withered up thistle.

I just think it's funny that she's criticizing Paul's rhyming pattern when her own songwriting capabilities are limited to rhyming "eeeeeooooouuungaayaooooouuu!" with "shreeeeeooooouuungaayaooooouuu."


spit This is the best quote of the entire thread! It's funny, because its true!!!
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Reply #116 posted 10/17/05 6:28am

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BinaryJustin said:

You've got to admit that she looks pretty damn good for her age. Actually, if she was 50, she'd look prety damn good for her age.

I wonder what she does to stay so young-looking?


But look @ how big her head is confused She's fucking scary... & in need of a stylist ill
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Reply #117 posted 10/18/05 10:08am

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CalhounSq said:

BinaryJustin said:

You've got to admit that she looks pretty damn good for her age. Actually, if she was 50, she'd look prety damn good for her age.

I wonder what she does to stay so young-looking?


But look @ how big her head is confused She's fucking scary... & in need of a stylist ill



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