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PrintableHello darlings. I WAS THERE. Just got back from Madame Tussauds. I stood next to Michael when he left  | |
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lilgish said: sosgemini said: why do i see visions of Sally Fields in a mall ala Soap Dish when i look at this pic? somebody needs an ego booster... go to some of the MJ boards, some of the brit fans are following him all over town. 
Their really organized about it. [Edited 10/9/05 13:50pm] It's the freaky "new" fans who have never seen him before who are the scary ones. A couple of the stalker-type "veteran" fans who everyone knows do ruin it with their little "contacts" and secret-keeping about what they know about his schedule. We were taking the piss out of most of that lot all day. | |
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Oh, that claustrophoic space is actually the car park of the Metropolis Studios in Chiswick. | |
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Ellie said: lilgish said: go to some of the MJ boards, some of the brit fans are following him all over town.
Their really organized about it. [Edited 10/9/05 13:50pm] It's the freaky "new" fans who have never seen him before who are the scary ones. A couple of the stalker-type "veteran" fans who everyone knows do ruin it with their little "contacts" and secret-keeping about what they know about his schedule. We were taking the piss out of most of that lot all day. and then... Ellie said: Hello darlings. I WAS THERE. Just got back from Madame Tussauds. I stood next to Michael when he left
 Are you a "freaky 'new' fan" or a "stalker-type 'veteran' fan?"  | |
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... his opinion is the one that will be heard for generations... so maybe he could talk to his friend Prince of Bahrain about immigrants who are treated like shit in this country. | |
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Me? I've been a fan for nearly 20 years but the stalker "veterans" are the ones that don't even hold down proper jobs and just work at dead end places purely to get funds to follow him around the world. They 've met him 100 times but still act mad as if it's their first time, grabbing him at every opportunity. Ugh, Waldo(Justin) in all those pics at the car park is one of the worst. It's all a competition to get up on top and say "look at me, look where I am". Bloody "Super-fans". Sad sad individuals. The guy is 37 and has only just got his first decent job in his life.
The "new" fans are the ones that seem to burst out into screams whenever a bloody curtain moves at a hotel window despite having been told his rooms weren't even on the same side of the building. The ones that start crying whenever his car drives past  The ones that start singing MJ songs outside all day but only seem to have a selection of 5 to sing because they don't know all the words to any others.
It was only about 3 years ago that I ever even tried to associate with any of that scene. I just stand there with my group of sane friends taking the piss out of them all. Nearly got beaten up by some heifer teenage saddo today  | |
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lilgish said: MrSoulpower said: Once again, JB was the first black artist responsible for this accomplishment. Yea I know what JB did and he lost alot as well, probably a conspiracy, but you gotta admit MJ took it to the next level. and MJ has a better voice than Stevie imo. Well... as I wrote above, the appreciation of a voice is always a matter of opinion. But to claim that MJ has a better voice than Stevie ... ouch!
As child, I believe Michael had a better voice. Stevie is more soulful in music and life, but even as adults I perfer MJ over stevie. Take these clips from M25, who sounds better to you? I think Mike is better... Stevie - http://media.putfile.com/stevie Michael - http://media.putfile.com/mj25 Thank you very much for contributing two incredible mediafiles. As much as I love Michael, he is perhaps my number 1 favorite, I have to say Stevie here. Stevie's vocals is so flawless, he never does one song the same way and he he never misses anything. His voice is like a saxophone to me. He can bend, improvise, whale, make beatiful runs with accurcy. Michael could have been this great vocally if he'd follow the path from the J5 days. Listen to Who's loving you or All I do is think of you, but somewhere he got a little bit coward IMO. I don't know where and when it happend but already in the late Jacksons era he started doing his hee-hees and vocal runs at the same place in a song every concert. | |
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dag said: It`s not about who was born first. MJ lacks the drive and ambition of a James Brown. The reason why JB was so innovative is because he was determined to work, work, work. He took music extremely seriously and still does.
Someone who´s worked since 5 years old has sure been working way to hardly. I think by now MJ has already done more work than any of us will ever do. If he retired today completely - than he would deserve it. There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums. | |
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MrSoulpower said: dag said: Someone who´s worked since 5 years old has sure been working way to hardly. I think by now MJ has already done more work than any of us will ever do. If he retired today completely - than he would deserve it. There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums. Barry Manilow?  | |
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Every time new pics get posted of MJ, all his zombie fans come in with the comments of "He looks great!" or "Aww he's so cute here."
The guy's a goblin. He's uglier than a dog's ass. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism." | |
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PurpleKnight said: Every time new pics get posted of MJ, all his zombie fans come in with the comments of "He looks great!" or "Aww he's so cute here."
The guy's a goblin. He's uglier than a dog's ass.    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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PurpleKnight said: Every time new pics get posted of MJ, all his zombie fans come in with the comments of "He looks great!" or "Aww he's so cute here."
The guy's a goblin. He's uglier than a dog's ass. usually im one of the ones that says he looks good, i thought he looked great during the trial, but i agree now, he doesnt look very good here, hes starting to look like he did just before the trial began, for some reason i thought michael just looked a hell of a lot better at the trial, his nose looked bigger, most of the time the wigs were good, his make up was nice, but now i dont know, he just has the 'weird' look back, although i dont think he looks as ugly as you described [Edited 10/10/05 4:59am] | |
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Anxiety said: 
He looks more like an impersonator in this picture. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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RepoMan said: Rhondab said: I think its silly make this an America vs the world view of Mj. MJ MADE himself a product. Michael Jackson has made his own bed and you can't get mad at us for making this fool lie in it. He's mentally ill. Why is it cool to call him a fool? If you see someone with anorexia do you make fun of them too for being a fool and thinking they're still too fat? Oh, you've diagnosed Mj with a mental illness? I didn't state Mj is mentally ill and then call him a fool so your analogy doesn't work. I think he has some issues....and does foolish things that are not necessarily in correlation with is issues...so therefore...RIGHT now, he's a damn fool. | |
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Rhondab said: RepoMan said: He's mentally ill. Why is it cool to call him a fool? If you see someone with anorexia do you make fun of them too for being a fool and thinking they're still too fat? Oh, you've diagnosed Mj with a mental illness? I didn't state Mj is mentally ill and then call him a fool so your analogy doesn't work. I think he has some issues....and does foolish things that are not necessarily in correlation with is issues...so therefore...RIGHT now, he's a damn fool. You don't have to be a shrink to realize he's sick. However, some intelligence is required. Repo Man's got all night, every night. | |
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RepoMan said: Rhondab said: Oh, you've diagnosed Mj with a mental illness? I didn't state Mj is mentally ill and then call him a fool so your analogy doesn't work. I think he has some issues....and does foolish things that are not necessarily in correlation with is issues...so therefore...RIGHT now, he's a damn fool. You don't have to be a shrink to realize he's sick. However, some intelligence is required. you always find a way to be insulting...
its your best quality...I think.. 
I don't think he's 'sick'....I think he needs therapy...but he isn't "sick" per se. Michael is narcissitic and may suffer from that disorder and probably a couple of others BUT Michael is able to make decisions. He is able to know what is right and wrong. Once you get to the point when you're unable to understand fully what is right and wrong...then I'd call you "sick" as YOU put it. I've had clients with multiple mental disorders and they know right from wrong and have done FOOLISH things and were told they were doing foolish things. Hell I think I told one client, "stop being a fool", when she was going back and forth with her crazy ass boyfriend and she is bipolar and schizophrenic. but...some intelligence is required.....you're right. | |
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There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums.
I know what you mean, but MJ hasn´t finished working after his father stopped managing him, which I guess means that it wasn´t just his father´s ambitions driving him. Ellie, lucky you! oh why do all the Mj threads turn into that "he needs a therapy" or "he looks terribly " crap? It´s tiring. To all of you guys who think he´s ugly why do you bother clicking on a topic which clearly is only about MJ pictures and than bother us with your insulting comments? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums.
I know what you mean, but MJ hasn´t finished working after his father stopped managing him, which I guess means that it wasn´t just his father´s ambitions driving him. Ellie, lucky you! oh why do all the Mj threads turn into that "he needs a therapy" or "he looks terribly " crap? It´s tiring. To all of you guys who think he´s ugly why do you bother clicking on a topic which clearly is only about MJ pictures and than bother us with your insulting comments? cuz its the org.....and we still have some freedom on this site to comment. | |
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dag said: There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums.
I know what you mean, but MJ hasn´t finished working after his father stopped managing him, which I guess means that it wasn´t just his father´s ambitions driving him. Ellie, lucky you! oh why do all the Mj threads turn into that "he needs a therapy" or "he looks terribly " crap? It´s tiring. To all of you guys who think he´s ugly why do you bother clicking on a topic which clearly is only about MJ pictures and than bother us with your insulting comments? Who's the "us?" Everyone here is entitled to post/read these threads, not just the MJ tribe. | |
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Who's the "us?" Everyone here is entitled to post/read these threads, not just the MJ tribe.
cuz its the org.....and we still have some freedom on this site to comment.
ok, but why do you take time to look at pictures of someone you find not attractive? - just curious "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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 It is true! Michael IS a robot! (and also his eye make-up is better than in years! yay, for more reasonable use of cosmetics!) | |
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dag said: Who's the "us?" Everyone here is entitled to post/read these threads, not just the MJ tribe.
cuz its the org.....and we still have some freedom on this site to comment.
ok, but why do you take time to look at pictures of someone you find not attractive? - just curious I had to look at the pictures before I deemed them ugly or whatever...right. and then after looking at the pictures, I commented. | |
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dag said: There is a difference between your own determination/ambition and being driven to work by an overambitious father. Joe Jackson has ruined it for Michael. Besides, the "hardest working man in showbusiness" is someone else. Someone, who has at his heyday performed on 320 days a year/up to six (!) shows a day and who has released more than 200 singles and more than 100 albums.
I know what you mean, but MJ hasn´t finished working after his father stopped managing him, which I guess means that it wasn´t just his father´s ambitions driving him. Since Michael grew up and Joe Jackson lost influence on his son, how many albums exactly did MJ release? How many tours has he played? If I count it right (and I`m no MJ-fan, so please correct me), he has released 5 albums in the past 26 years (the "best off" releases and compilations not included). That doesn`t exactly qualify as hard work, since his tour appearances where rare as well. | |
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Rhondab said: dag said: ok, but why do you take time to look at pictures of someone you find not attractive? - just curious I had to look at the pictures before I deemed them ugly or whatever...right. and then after looking at the pictures, I commented. "Beauty is only skin deep" 
Since MJ's skin is somewhat synthetic, the beauty has been gratered off .. | |
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he's still wearing alot of makeup.  I don't see the change you guys are talking about. he looks like he did in the Bashir doc. | |
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MrSoulpower said: dag said: I know what you mean, but MJ hasn´t finished working after his father stopped managing him, which I guess means that it wasn´t just his father´s ambitions driving him. Since Michael grew up and Joe Jackson lost influence on his son, how many albums exactly did MJ release? How many tours has he played? If I count it right (and I`m no MJ-fan, so please correct me), he has released 5 albums in the past 26 years (the "best off" releases and compilations not included). That doesn`t exactly qualify as hard work, since his tour appearances where rare as well. I just googled it up, to be on the safe side. MJ has released a total of 11 solo albums in his career. 7 of them since 1979, including "History". So I was pretty close with my guess. 1972 May Got To Be There 1972 December Ben 1973 July Music and Me 1975 March Forever Michael 1979 August Off The Wall 1982 December Thriller 1987 September Bad 1991 December Dangerous 1995 June HiStory (Past, Present, Future) 1997 May Blood On The Dancefloor 2001 October Invincible 11 solo albums in a space of 33 years doesn`t really stand for a hard working artist.. more for an artist who records when the previous album has been milked. Now let`s have a look at the first 33 years of album releases of the hardest working man in showbusiness, Mr James Brown: 1959 Please Please Please Try Me 1960 Think 1961 The Amazing James Brown James Brown Presents His Band Night Train 1962 Shout and Shimmy JB and His Famous Flames Tour The U.S.A. 1963 Live at the Apollo Prisoner of Love 1964 Pure Dynamite: Live at the Royal Showtime Grits and Soul Out of Sight The Unbeatable JameslBrown/16 Hits 1965 Papa's Got a Brand New Bag 1966 I Got You (I Feel Good) JB Plays JB Today and Yesterday Mighty Instrumentals It's A Man's Man's Man's World Christmas Songs Handful of Soul 1967 The James Brown Show Raw Soul JB Plays the Real Thing Live at the Garden Cold Sweat 1968 JB Presents His Show of Tomorrow I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me) I Got the Feelin' JB Plays Nothing But Soul Live at the Apollo JB Sings Out of Sight (Smash S67109 reissue of S67058, with one track missing) Thinking About Little Willie John and a Few Nice Things A Soulful Christmas 1969 Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud Gettin' Down To It The Popcorn It's a Mother 1970 Ain't It Funky Soul on Top It's a New Day - Let a Man Come In Sex Machine Hey America 1971 Super Bad Sho Is Funky Down Here Hot Pants Revolution of the Mind 1972 Soul Classics There It Is Get on the Good Foot 1973 Black Caesar Slaughter's Big Rip-off Soul Classics, Volume 2 1974 The Payback Hell 1975 Reality Sex Machine Today Everybody's Doin' the Hustle and Dead on the Double Bump 1976 Hot Sex Machine Live Get Up Offa That Thing Bodyheat 1977 Mutha's Nature 1978 Jam 1980's The Fabulous James Brown 1979 Take a Look at Those Cakes The Original Disco Man 1980 People Hot on the One Soul Syndrome 1981 Nonstop! Live in New York Can Your Heart Stand It? The Best of James Brown 1983 Bring It On 1984 The Federal Years, Part I The Federal Years, Part 2 Ain't That a Groove - The JB Story 1966-69 Doing It to Death - The JB Story 1970-73 1985 Dead on the Heavy Funk 74-76 The CD of JB: Sex Machine and Other Soul Classics 1986 Live at the Apollo, Volume 2, Part 1 Live at the Apollo, Volume 2, Part 2 Live In Concert Gravity In TheJungle Groove James Brown's Funky People 1988 Motherlode Santa's Got A Brand New Bag I'm Real James Brown's Funky People, Pt.2 1989 Soul Session Live Tribute Duets 1991 Love-OverDue Soul's Alive 20 All-Time Greatest Hits! Messing With The Blues Star Time 1992 Is Back Love Power Peace Universal James Greatest Hits of the Fourth Decade As you see, even if I exclude the Best-Offs, your man MJ can`t even touch the hardest working man in show business. And he sure as hell doesn`t deserve to retire early. Retire from what? | |
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no one ever accused MJ of being the hardest working man in show business.  | |
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dag said: Who's the "us?" Everyone here is entitled to post/read these threads, not just the MJ tribe.
cuz its the org.....and we still have some freedom on this site to comment.
ok, but why do you take time to look at pictures of someone you find not attractive? - just curious I never commented on his physical appearance - only the makeup. And if I were somebody that only commented on his looks, I would see your point. I like to discuss his work more than his appearance. | |
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CinisterCee said: no one ever accused MJ of being the hardest working man in show business.
Not literally .. but "dag's" statement from above comes pretty close: "Someone who´s worked since 5 years old has sure been working way to hardly. I think by now MJ has already done more work than any of us will ever do. If he retired today completely - than he would deserve it." | |
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dag said: Who's the "us?" Everyone here is entitled to post/read these threads, not just the MJ tribe.
cuz its the org.....and we still have some freedom on this site to comment.
ok, but why do you take time to look at pictures of someone you find not attractive? - just curious Why look @ a trainwreck? Or a car crash? It's unpleasant but you just can't look away. We can't sheild our eyes from every unattractive thing. That's just dumb. You're wounded b/c you think he's all pretty & shit. Get over it.  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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